Islam vs ??? Just to throw a little different slant here.... one of the ideas being tossed about is that Islam is a terrorist ideology diametrically apposed to ... what? Is it against Christianity? Against secularism? Against freedom? Against happiness? If you believe that it is against Christianity, then you have a lot of powerful arguments for your case. Islam delveloped in the 7th century after Christ, as a revolt against the very stringent teachings of the early Christian missionaries in the Middle East region. It can be argued that the excesses of those Christians CREATED Islam in its own counter-image. Those missionaries were teaching a stringent theology of a stern and judgemental God that was far from the true gospel of the God of love and brotherhood that Jesus taught... and thereby they alienated a whole culture of people. So now we have to clean up the mess. And when sincere Islamic folk look upon contemporary Christians they see nothing but hypocrites that do not even TRY to live up to the teachings of Jesus. So it is not surprising that they should be angry at us for being so self-indulgent as to seek to squander and dominate all the world's resources.... for pushing an imperialist agenda while giving mere lip service to the teachings of Jesus, but carrying the sword of the Crusaders and spilling the blood of innocents with abandon. So here is a RADICAL idea... we've tried everything else and nothing works... it's never been tried but it might be worth a shot. What if... now don't faint... what if we actually tried to live up to Christian principles and gain respect by showing respect. This does not mean we have to allow ourselves to be attacked.... only that we refuse to be the attacker. When someone smites us we ask... why? Did they have a real grievance? Were we so blind and deaf that we have failed to hear their pleas. Was terrorist action the only possible course left? We can't allow such to continue... but we must NEVER allow anger and vengeance to strip us of our spiritual power and leave us naked with bloodstained sword before the altar of vengeance. "Vengeance is MINE" sayeth the Lord. There are few sins greater than usurping that which God has claimed as his own.
Funny...Jews, Christians and most other major religions have moved in modern civilization while "true" muslims are trying their damnest to take it back to the 7th century. "When someone smites us", I do ask WHY? and the answers are VERY disturbing. BTW...back when this cult religion started, the muslims were out after the Jews first and foremost...hence why they are STILL TODAY referred to as "pigs and apes" in all of their teachings and history.
An allegorical turn-about... If you have trouble understanding why people in the Middle East hate us... try out this ENTIRELY FICTIONAL allegorical story...... In the summer of the year 2008, the president of the United States, citing unrevealed threats to the integrity of the government, declares martial law, suspends congress and the electoral process, and begins the rounding up of college professors, registered democrats, and anybody who has been known to have posted blog messages critical of the administration on Cointalk. Such people are packed standing-room-only into cattle-cars and taken to brutal slave-labor concentration camps in western Oklahoma, and the Texas Panhandle region. Bands of resistance fighters are quickly isolated and destroyed using the new domestic surveillance powers the administration granted itself a couple of years earlier. European, African, and Asian leaders meet and agree that a regime change is needed... but the US is quickly able to use its veto power to stop any such resolution from passing in the United Nations. Canada and Mexico move to militarity close the borders as streams of refugees seeking asylum mob the crossing points. World outrage peaks when the US military cordons off the Bay Area, and then uses nerve gas on the entire city of San-Francisco, calling it the "pelosification of dissidents". Journalists are refused entry. At this point China and a coalition of junior partners mobilizes its fleet and air force, and invades the United States... using stealth rocket attacks to bomb the White House to rubble and destroying key military complexes nationwide as well as bridges, power-plants, administration buildings, railroads, and highway interchanges. American missiles do not fire because all the chips were made in China with fail-safe swithoffs that the Chinese installed years earlier. At first the Chinese are greeted as liberators and Americans look forward to rebuilding the infrastructure and economy... but it soon turns out that all contracts for rebuilding will be given exclusively to Chinese companies. All the agricultural output of the entire American Midwest is shipped overseas to Asia, leaving surviving Americans in a state of near starvation. A new constitution extolling the principles of Mao-Tse-Tung is forced through a puppet congress as the reformed North American Union government attempts to function under the iron fist of the Chinese administrators. Meanwhile bands of American "patriots" as they call themselves, roam the countryside and the cities and ambush the Chinese soldiers, while they in turn seek to root out these bands of what they call "terrorists" that are only creating havoc where peace and tranquility should prevail. By 2010 it becomes public that Chinese soldiers have been implicated in brutal rapes and murders of young American women, and that suspected "terrorists" are routinely rounded up on the street and tortured. No American may work unless they purchase a permit from the Occupational Authority. No farmer may plant seeds unless he has purchased those seeds from a Chinese supplier. No automobiles may be bought except those imported from China. So... what would YOU do? Would you kneel before the juggernaut of the occupying force and lick the spittle from their boots just because they are bigger and have more weapons... or do you fight... with guns and roadside bombs and yes... even suicide bombs... to throw the invaders into the sea? They murdered your brother and his wife and their entire family... your sister was raped... your neighbors turned you in for saying things critical and you endured days of waterboarding and beatings before being allowed free again. Maybe they were right in the beginning... maybe the US WAS dominated by an evil regime that had to go... but these invaders have made matters worse not better. And we will fight by tooth and nail until the last drop of our life's blood is spilt to make America Free once more. Live Free or Die! Now.... look at what the US is doing in Iraq with new eyes........
Just like you have to pity all of those muslim fools that follow all of the hate in the koran and the acts of their founding prophet (no praise to this animal). Instead of fiction, consider these historical facts and I dare you to PROVE me wrong! For the first 3,100 years of recorded history, from 2,500 BC to 600 A.D., there isn't a single documented case to be found anywhere in the world of arabs leaving the Arabian penisula to conquer or plunder any other country. Keep in mind, they were surrounded by warring nations like the Babylonians, Assyrians, Egyptians, and later by the Persians, Greeks, and Roman Byzantines. History is clear on this matter, the arabs had a record as peaceful as any race in human history. But then this animal muhammad came along and invented islam in the 7th century and for the next 100 years, arabs, now called muslims, became the world's most savage barbarians. After depriving their own people of freedom and prosperity they plundered the world from India to Spain and since then, they have pages after pages of islamic jiihad. Got to love history and the facts about this cult religion...for you appeasers, look it up and learn something for a change. It just might help reinforce your own argument for a change...I doubt it, but it sure beats calling me names.
Australia has to deal with these islamic animals too...so now they have to PAY to teach muslims to join the civilized world!! ******************************************************* Teaching Muslims 'Moderation' By Lachlan Heywood - January 21, 2007 11:00pm YOUNG Muslims will be taught Australian-friendly Islam under a Federal Government plan to stop them falling prey to extremists. An approved Islamic curriculum will be rolled out by a consortium of universities, including Griffith University in Brisbane, to counter the teachings of Muslim firebrands who preach intolerance and hate. The establishment of the $8 million national centre of excellence for Islamic studies comes amid outrage over comments by leading Australian Muslim clerics Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali and Sheik Feiz Mohammed. Sheik Hilali was universally condemned last year for comparing immodestly dressed women to uncovered meat that attracted cats. He has since threatened to run against NSW Premier Morris Iemma in the electorate of Lakemba in Sydney's southwest. Sydney-born Sheik Feiz, who is now living in Lebanon, is being investigated by federal police for producing videos labelling Jews pigs and calling on young Muslims to die for Allah. The proposed course will be open to anyone interested in Islam, including religious and community leaders. And while welcomed by the Muslim community, there is concern it could become a breeding ground for Islamic extremists.
I honestly think that a noteworthy day would be one without any attacks... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070122/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_070122173749 BAGHDAD, Iraq - Twin bombings Monday tore through stalls of vendors selling second-hand clothes and DVDs in a busy Baghdad market catering to Shiite Muslims during a religious festival. A market also was attacked north of the capital, and police said nearly 100 people died in the renewed campaign blamed on Sunni Muslim insurgents.
Muslims in police will rise up, Bakri insists By Mike Hirst and Adam Lusher, Sunday Telegraph(21/01/07) Moderate British Muslims in the police, Armed Forces and Civil Service will one day revolt against the system to "crush it from within", according to Omar Bakri Mohammed, the notorious Islamic extremist. Omar Bakri Mohammed claimed that the world was a better place after the July 7 bombings in London In claims condemned as a cynical attempt to create division, the co-founder of the extremist al-Muhajiroun group said that Britain was "digging a deep hole" for itself by allowing Muslims into the Services and Whitehall. Speaking exclusively to The Sunday Telegraph in Lebanon, where he moved in August 2005 — at about the time it emerged the British authorities might charge him with incitement to treason — he claimed police officers, soldiers and civil servants would one day become radicalised. "When you start to ask Muslims to join your Army and your police you are making a grave mistake. That British Muslim who joins the police today will one day read the Koran and will have an awakening," he said. [EXACTLY what I have been saying...it is all in this book of HATE] "Those moderates are one day going to be true and practicing Muslims. Now what happens if they are British police or in the Army and they have weapons? How much information do they have about you that they will use to serve the global struggle? "They will revolt against the system if they have been failed by your foreign policy which is oppressive against Islam, or have been contacted by people who believe Britain is a domain of war." In remarks almost certain to cause widespread anger among the survivors and relatives of victims, he also claimed that the world was a better place after the July 7 bombings in London. "I believe it is a better place for Islam and Muslims… but not for non-Muslims. What's happening around the world is good and positive for Islam." Bakri Mohammed came to Britain in 1985 after being expelled from Saudi Arabia. He was rapidly derided as "the Tottenham Ayatollah". His inflammatory pronouncements have included calling the September 11 terrorists the "Magnificent 19". ******************************************************************** Told you..."true" Muslims are those that follow the Koran, which clearly states that believers of islam must convert, ensalve, tax, hold ransom and/or KILL non-believers and make islam the ONLY religion for all! The question is are "moderate muslims" (or those muslims not muslim enough) ever going to do anything about this cancer...BET you they wouldn't!
Remember...Every prime source regarding muhammad's life (the koran, Sira or biography of the prophet, Ta'rikh or history of the prophet, and Hadith or oral report from the prophet) confirm that allah's lone spokesperson wasn't a prophet but was a terrorist. This so-called prophet (no praise to him) having issued no predictions that came true but having led 75 terrorist raids for booty and political power in the first 10 years of the islamic Era. In the 33rd surah, the koran tells muslims to follow muhammad's example. In the 8th and 9th surahs, Allah says that those who do, and become jihadists killing non-muslims in his cause, are the best muslims. So the rationale here isn't complex, or even subject to interpretation. According to muhammad, allah, the koran, the Sira, Ta'rikh, and Hadith, all good or "true" muslims are indeed terrorists.
Terrorists, Killers, and Wacko's.... ??????????????????????????????????????????? Children's foreheads slashed in Muslim saint's name http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/01/30/ashoura.children.ap/index.html NABATIYEH, Lebanon (AP) -- The 6-year-old boy screamed and shook his head to avoid the razor blade. But his father held him firmly as Hajj Khodor parted the boy's black hair and sliced his forehead three times with the blade. Ali Madani's cries became more violent as blood gushed from the wound, covering his small, terrified face.
I would pay to watch this interrogation... /////////////////////////////////////// Two Senior Iraqi Generals Eyed in Brazen Attack on U.S. Soldiers Two senior Iraqi generals are being questioned in connection with last week's attack in Karbala that left five U.S. soldiers dead, military officials told FOX News Thursday. Military officials also said the level of sophistication of the attack — where militants posed as U.S. soldiers to pass a number of security checkpoints — suggested possible Iranian involvement. The assault was carried out by nine to 12 militants wearing new U.S. military fatigues and traveling in black GMC Suburban vehicles — the type used by U.S. government convoys. U.S. officials said the imposters had American weapons and spoke English. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,249403,00.html
The same Muslim animals that killed all of those school children in Belsan, Russia have BIG plans for the remaining infidels: ******************************************************* Kosovo jihadists show map of areas "where Christians have not been expelled or murdered yet" Kosovo jihadists issue a threat. (c/o Reuters)Kosovo Muslim Albanian extremists protest against an imminent U.N. proposal in the capital Pristina, January 22, 2007 by showing a Kosovo map and highlighting areas on it in red where Christians have not been expelled nor murdered yet. U.N. envoy Martti Ahtisaari is due to outline his proposal on the fate of Serbia's U.N.-run province to the six major powers steering Balkan diplomacy on Friday on Vienna. ****************************************************************
Latest Jihad update: 7,487 islamic attacks since 9/11 and counting... Weekly Jihad Report (2/3 - 2/09/07): Jihad Attacks: 62 Dead Bodies: 529 Critically Injured: 717 Their prophet muhammad said: "When We wish to destroy a city, we first give warning to those of its people who live in comfort to accept our commands. But if they reject us, judgment is irrevocably passed, and we wage utter annihilation." (The Qur'an - Sura 17:16)
Watch what happens if a "not-muslim-enough" muslim questions Islam... Right from Tulsa, OK of all places...and you don't think these mosques are funding and supporting islamic jihad (like good little muslims are suppose to do!)?? http://hotair.com/archives/2007/02/16/jamal-miftah-a-moderate-muslims-plight/ Just press the play button and you can see what "true" muslims are up to!
You know what always strikes me as ironic...You guys never seem to want to look forwards unless you are diverting attention away from a recent mistake. I hear this political tactic used again and again by the bush administration when they're asked to explain why some situation worked out exactly as predicted by their opponents. Admitting a mistake is the greatest sin a conservative can make. I guess that's why their mistakes are so plentiful. This is an easy supposition given current circumstances and recent events, but you have to wonder if the next time you hear a conservative tell you to look backwards or forwards just what mistake are they ignoring or what past lesson do they wish to relearn? :rolling:
Moen, think Alexander the Great and his campaigns thru the very same area. As you know the Persians were always starting crap they couldn't finish so Alexander finished it for them. Now we both know that's what needs to be done. I'll start be telling all my friends and acquaintances and you can do the same OKAY, LOL...
If you don't learn from history (i.e., dealing with Nazis which are no differant than "true" muslims of today), you are bound to repeat it. Take a look at the 1,400 year history of islam and the actions of their founding prophet and you could learn alot.
You lost me on this one Moen, as I fail to see the relevance in your statement and the event in the mosque in Tulsa, OK. All along I thought that looking forward to ridding this world of these animals was the subject. I guess if your talking of recent mistakes, you are referring to the Democratic take-over of the U.S. legislature. Now we sure has H.... won't get anything done. But then again maybe that will be a blessing. Depends on who's pockets are getting filled, now doesn't it?:kewl: Let's hear it for a weeks labor on Legislation of NON-binding topics. That'a the way to spend your time in Washington.