Don't have their names handy, but there are plenty Koranic scholars in places like Saudi Arabia and Iran that thake that position. Get quoted in the news a lot, you should listen to some of their insights on the "peaceful" religion of Islam.
This forum has become strange indeed. We have a poster who reminds me of a masochistic kid who shows up at the local playground every day, at the very same time, to be summarily beaten by the same schoolyard bullies. I wonder what a psychologist would say about this odd scenario? Two experienced psychologists are coming to the house tonight to watch the Kings game with us. I shall ask them about it and report back if I receive any interesting answers. I just can't imagine myself, or anyone I know, logging onto an ACLU or Friends of the Earth website every day to argue politics, culture, the environment, and economics. In fact, I retired largely so as to avoid talking to these folks.
According to Danr...ONLY a muslim scholar can read and communicate the Koran. Any attempt to translate arabic into any other language for the purpose of communication and/or conversation is indeed ALL wrong and HAS BEEN INCORRECT...right Danr?? So there you have it folks, Danr's contention is that all of the Koran passages that deal with infidels, Jews and Christians were a mistake of translation...nothing more. Obvioulsy he has spoken with true islamic scholars who have advised him that any attempt by infid---, I mean westerners, to translate the Koran into any other language other than true arabic is "null and void" and cannot be used to discuss the islamic religion of today.
I don't find it all that hard to believe at least somewhat. Heck, there are bible passages that can be translated several different ways depending on which version you use and they can have exactly the opposite meaning. I don't know diddly about translations of the Koran but I think recent interpretations by radical Islamic factions have taken a little too much literary license that has lead them to do some pretty despicable acts.
I'll be darned, first it was his Daddy making fun of him, and now even the 'dog' is calling him names. To make matters worse, Moen had to go and point out what was happening. Guess there will be days like this!:kewl:
I know that you are being sarcastic but the simple fact is that the Koran is not translatable. Even if you look at the front of your own copy it should tell you that it is not really the Koran but just a hokey version. Really I am asking you to read the "notes on translation" section that should be at the front of your English version, you may be surprised at what it says. Modern Arabic is tough already. Ancient Arabic with references to ancient idiom and cultural practices , and a particular poetic style known for subtle shades of meaning (where it can mean the EXACT OPPOSITE of what it appears to say) well think about it, and read at least one article on Koran translation, you should be starting to get it.
You are soooooooooooooooooooo right Danr, all of those millions of islamic radicals that read and follow the Koran must have misunderstood what the dirty-smelly-night-shirt Mohammad wrote down for them. No biggy...just one big misunderstanding.
Just limiting the subject to the posting of English translations of the Koran to support a hateful critique of the religion. I have not seen you do this Andy, have I missed it or have you quoted English translations of the Koran? Do you agree that the Koran is a special case piece of writing that does not really translate? Based on your posts you must be familiar with the body of knowledge around this book.
Forget him Andy. You can quote every translation of the Koran word for word in every language known to man. You can cite each passage and verse so that every "i" is dotted and "t" is crossed, but Danr will blame all of this on one big misunderstanding. Just like all of those islamic attacks since 9/11 are due to poor translations and misunderstandings. Just like those suicide bombings and beheadings are all a misunderstanding due to poor translations of the Koran. This is all Danr is running on to protect his muslim buddies...because he has got nothing more to offer than blaming islamic terrorism on a "misunderstanding" of the Koran. Pretty soon he will say, "If it doesn't fit, you got to acquit".
You right midas, for in the vast amount of posts on the many threads along the way I even quoted various Imans quotes on Islam. But I guess those arab muslims didn't know how to read their own book either.
Just last week, Palestinian militants threw a bomb at a French cultural center in Gaza City, and many Palestinians began boycotting European goods, especially those from Denmark. "Whoever defames our prophet should be executed," said Ismail Hassan, 37, a tailor who marched through the pouring rain along with hundreds of others in the West Bank city of Ramallah. "Bin Laden our beloved, Denmark must be blown up," protesters in Ramallah chanted. In mosques throughout Palestinian cities, clerics condemned the cartoons. An imam at the Omari Mosque in Gaza City told 9,000 worshippers that those behind the drawings should have their heads cut off. "If they want a war of religions, we are ready," Hassan Sharaf, an imam in Nablus, said in his sermon. About 10,000 demonstrators, including gunmen from the Islamic militant group Hamas firing in the air, marched through Gaza City to the Palestinian legislature, where they climbed on the roof, waving green Hamas banners. "We are ready to redeem you with our souls and our blood our beloved prophet," they chanted. "Down, Down Denmark." Gotta love these people...they are just proving the cartoon is accurate! 4,224 islamic attacks since 9/11 and counting!! (as of 2/13/06) Let's see what these islamic animals were up to last week: 2/11/06 India Shedgam, one killed. Muslim radicals kill a civilian outside his home. 2/11/06 Pakistan Hangu, 3 killed, 2 injured. Three more people, including a 9-year-old boy, are killed in sectarian violence. 2/11/06 Iraq Baqubah, 2 killed. Radical Sunnis sneak up and shoot two policemen in the head as they are sitting in their car. 2/11/06 Ingushetia Troitskaya, 1 killed, 4 injured. Islamic militants ambush a troop carrier with automatic weapons, killing one Russian soldier. 2/10/06 Iraq Baghdad, 1 killed, 2 injured. A brutal shooting attack in which a Fedayeen holds a gun to a woman's head before killing her. 2/10/06 Pakistan Sydan Banda, 4 killed, 2 injured. A woman is among four people killed when radicals open fire on a train in a sectarian attack. 2/10/06 Iraq Baghdad, 9 killed, 38 injured. A grisly scene as nine people are killed at a Shiite mosque by a car bomb detonated by radical Sunnis. Nearly forty others were injured. 2/10/06 Iraq Baqubah, 4 killed, 2 injured. Four people are killed in three separate Jihad attacks, including a woman inside her home. 2/10/06 Afghanistan Kunar, 8 killed, 6 injured. Eight Afghan soldiers are killed by two Taliban landmines, the second designed to kill those trying to help the first. 2/10/06 Philippines Sulu, 1 killed. Abu Sayyaf terrorists kill a police chief in front of his family. 2/10/06 Philippines Jolo, 2 killed. Militant Muslims shoot a policeman in the head in front of a bakery. The same group beheaded another man in a separate attack in the same area. 2/10/06 Pakistan Sangsilla, 3 killed, 4 injured. Three members of a family, including two women, are blown apart in a roadside bomb blast. 2/10/06 India Gursai, 1 killed. A civilian is abducted and hanged to death by the Mujahideen. 2/9/06 Afghanistan Herat, 5 killed, 27 injured. At least five people die in religious violence after Sunnis accuse Shias of destroying a sacred flag. 2/9/06 Pakistan Hangu, 31 killed, 50 injured. Some 31 Shiites are blown to bits while celebrating a religious holiday by a suicidal Sunni extremist. The dead include women and children. 2/9/06 Iraq Baghdad, 4 killed, 2 injured. Jihadi gunmen kill four people in three separate attacks, including two who were murdered in captivity. 2/9/06 India Kither, 2 killed. A woman is among two people killed in an ambush by Muslim terrorists. 2/8/06 Pakistan Dabkot, 1 killed. Local Islamists abduct and behead a man, leaving the body with a note attached. 2/8/06 Iraq Ramadi, 5 killed, 3 injured. Three civilians are among five people killed when a Fedayeen suicide bomber rams a checkpoint with a car. 2/7/06 Iraq Baghdad, 8 killed, 23 injured. Seven civilians are among eight people blown to bits by two terrorist bombings along a crowded roadside. 2/7/06 Iraq Yusufiya, 7 killed, 4 injured. Seven people are killed in at least three separate attacks around the country by Jihad terrorists. 2/7/06 Afghanistan Kandahar, 13 killed, 11 injured. A Fedayeen suicide bomber drives an explosives-laden motorbike into a crowd near a police post, killing at least thirteen. 2/7/06 Afghanistan Bala Blok, 4 killed, 3 injured. Two engineers working on road construction are killed by religious extremists in a bomb attack, along with two Afghans. 2/7/06 Thailand Narathiwat, 1 killed. A Buddhist is shot in the head at close range by Muslims while on his way home. 2/6/06 Thailand Banangstar. 3 killed. Three villagers are shot to death by Muslim militants in a heinous attack on a market. 2/6/06 Afghanistan Laghman, 1 killed. The Taliban fires on a security patrol, killing an American soldier. 2/6/06 Iraq Dujail, 4 killed. The body of an Iraqi contractor is found, and three other people are killed in two separate Jihad attacks. 2/6/06 India Amirabad, 1 killed. Muslim terrorists gun down a policeman. 2/6/06 Thailand Narathiwat, 1 killed. Muslims kill a 71-year-old Buddhist as he is on his way home with his 16-year-old granddaughter. 2/6/06 India Gursai, 1 killed. Muslim terrorists abduct a civilian from his home and murder him in captivity. 2/5/06 Iraq Baghdad, 6 killed, 12 injured. Six people are killed in four separate attacks by Jihadis, including two men who were tortured to death. 2/5/06 Israel Petach Tikva, 1 killed, 4 injured. A Palstinian stabs an Israeli woman to death as she is riding a bus. Four others were stabbed as well. 2/5/06 Turkey Trabzon, 1 killed. A Catholic priest is murdered by an assailant who shouts 'Allah Akbar!' after he fires the gun. 2/5/06 Iraq Salman Pak, 2 killed, 7 injured. Two people are killed, and seven wounded by a car bomb along a city street. This is just for ONE week!!! Here's a woman getting buried to prepare her for her STONING. Nice religion, don't you think??
One thing I would advocate is a withdrawl of any financial aid to those countries that allow these Imams to operate openly, next time there is a earthquake/Yidal wave/famin let the muslim world deal with it exclusivly. De Orc :kewl:
As of 2/21/06...the count has risen to 4,287 islamic attacks from the "religion of peace". Last week was no exception from the jihad movement. Let's see what the worst scum of the earth has been up to, shall we?? ************************************************ 2/19/06 India, Srinagar, 1 killed. A civilian is gunned down in broad daylight by the Muhahideen. 2/19/06 Nigeria, Borno, 7 killed, 24 injured. Muslim mobs target Nigerian Christians in a protest against Danish cartoons. More churches are burned and seven more are killed. 2/19/06 Thailand, Narathiwat, 1 killed. Islamists murder a civilian. 2/19/06 Iraq, Baghdad, 2 killed, 4 injured. Car bombing on a city street followed by a suicide bomber kills two people. 2/19/06 Iraq, Kirkuk, 3 killed. Three policemen are killed by radical Sunnis in a roadside bombing. 2/18/06 Philippines, Jolo, 2 killed, 22 injured. Abu Sayyaf bombs a karaoke bar, killing a janitor and injuring about two dozen others. Another civilian later dies of injuries. 2/18/06 Nigeria, Maiduguri, 16 killed, 112 injured. Angry Muslim mobs burn churches and beat Christians to death. At least sixteen people are killed in the violence. 2/18/06 Iraq, Baqubah, 2 killed, 5 injured. Two Jihad bombings kill two people and injure five. 2/18/06 Iraq, Baghdad, 7 killed, 4 injured. Five people are killed in three separate roadside terror attacks as two more kidnap victims are discovered. 2/18/06 Afghanistan, Helmand, 3 killed. A late night attack by the Taliban on a police post leaves three officers dead. 2/17/06 Iraq, Baghdad 12 killed, 4 injured. Jihadis kill a dozen people in four separate attacks, which included an 18-month-old girl and the kidnapping of a bank manager and his son after slaughtering five bodyguards. 2/17/06 Thailand, Yala 1 killed. A security guard at an irrigation plant is murdered by Islamic militants. 2/17/06 Thailand, Narathiwat, 1 killed, 13 injured. Islamists shoot a Buddhist villager, then detonate a bomb that injures thirteen people investigating the scene. 2/17/06 India, Panglar, 1 killed, 1 injured. 1The Mujahideen gun down a policeman in a brutal attack that also injures a young girl. 2/16/06 Afghanistan, Farah, 2 killed. Two Afghani intelligence agents are kidnapped and beheaded by religious extremists. 2/16/06 Thailand, Narathiwat, 1 killed. Muslim militants murder a policeman assigned to guard teachers from terror attacks. 2/16/06 Iraq, Baghdad, 11 killed, 12 injured. Two car bombs, one near a crowded market, kill seven civilians and injure over a dozen more. Elsewhere, four bodies are found bound and blindfolded. 2/15/06 Iraq, Baghdad, 6 killed, 12 injured. Two deadly bombing attacks, including one at a university leave six Iraqis dead, as five more bodies are found dumped elsewhere. 2/15/06 Iraq, Baghdad, 4 killed. Four children, ages 10 to 14, are blown up by Islamic fundamentalists targeting a liquor store as they are walking to school. Two brothers and their sister were among the four. 2/15/06 Pakistan, Hub, 4 killed. Three Chinese engineers and their Pakistani driver are shot to death in their car by Muslim terrorists. 2/15/06 India, Bugam Kulgam, 1 killed, 1 injured. The Mujahideen force their way into a home, then shoot a man to death and injure his brother. 2/15/06 UAE, Fujairah, 1 killed. A Hindu sailor is beaten to death by Iranian crewmates, angered over Muhammad cartoons. 2/15/06 Afghanistan, Nimroz, 1 killed, 4 injured. An attack by religious fundamentalists kills one policeman and leaves four others injured. 2/14/06 Iraq, Tikrit, 3 killed. Gunmen kill an Iraqi contractor and, in a separate attack in Baghdad, a man and hisson. 2/14/06 Pakistan, Peshawar. 1 killed. An 8-year-old boy is shot in the face by an Islamic activist protesting cartoons. 2/14/06 Iraq, Balad, 11 killed, 1 injured. A horrible Valentine's day massacre as Sunnis round up a family of Shiites and then machine-gun them to death, including a 5-year-old boy. Only one other child escaped death. 2/14/06 India, Sopore, 1 killed, 5 injured. Six civilians are injured when a Muslim militant tosses a grenade into the street. One succcumbs to injuries two days later. 2/13/06 France, Saint Genevieve des Bois, 1 killed. A young Jewish man is kidnapped by a Muslim gang and tortured for three weeks before expiring of his wounds. 2/13/06 Iraq, Baghdad, 7 killed, 47 injured. A Fedayeen suicide bomber standing outside a bank blows himself to Allah, taking at least seven innocent bystanders with him. Children are among the victims. 2/13/06 Afghanistan, Dihrawud, 4 killed. Four Americans are killed when their patrol is ambushed by Taliban terrorists. 2/13/06 Pakistan, Manawan, 1 killed. A doctor is gunned down outside his clinic. 2/13/06 Afghanistan, Grishk, 7 killed. Seven policemen are gunned down at a road construction guard post by the Afghan Taliban. 2/13/06 Iraq, Baqubah, 4 killed. Sunnis slaughter a family of four Shias sitting in their car, in an automatic weapons attack. 2/12/06 Iraq, Kirkuk, 7 killed, 17 injured. A doctor and a sports director are among seven people gunned down by Jihadis in four separate attacks around the country. 2/12/06 Iraq, Baghdad, 4 killed, 4 injured. A Fedayeen suicide bomber kills four people at a checkpoint. 2/12/06 Afghanistan, Helmand, 8 killed. Two Afghan soldiers are killed in a Taliban ambush. Another six are captured and executed in captivity. 2/12/06 Iraq, Baghdad, 2 killed, 3 injured. A child is among two killed by a roadside terror bombing. 2/12/06 Iraq, Mahaweel, 6 killed. The bodies of six people, who were bound and tortured, are found at three separate sites. ******************************************** I guess these are just isolated incidents from only a few islamic radicals. I think not!! They don't even think twice about killing children. Any takers what the count will be up to next week??
Count is up to 4,347 killed by islamic terrorists since 9/11...and counting! Here is last week's figures for all you defenders of islam and its "peaceful message": Weekly Jihad Report (2/20 - 2/26) Jihad Attacks: 52 Dead Bodies: 358 Critically Injured: 484