The Death Penalty

.....................Category.......................State Information
Abbreviation........ IL ..........................State Name Illinois
Death Penalty?... Yes .....Number of Executions Since 1976... 12
Number of Executions before 1976... 348.. Current Death Row Population 10 Number of Women .0
Date Death Penalty Re-enacted 07-01-1974 ...1st ExecutionAfterRe-enactment 1990..
Murder Rate (per 100,000) 6.1
Is Life Without Parole an Option? Yes... Can a defendant get death for a felony in which s/he was not responsible for the murder? Yes
Number of Innocent Persons Freed From Death Row.... 18
Number of ClemenciesGranted 127
Region .......................Midwest .........Method..... Injection
How is the Sentence Determined?... Jury
Location of Death Row(s)..... Pontiac and Menard (Women: Dwight) Clemency Process ..............Governor has authority to grant clemency with ...................................nonbinding advice of Board of Pardons and Paroles

 

Here is a little reading for old Danr, so he can really get behind this individual and support his cause. Once on site, you will need to scrowl down a little to get to the person who describes himself as a 'gay male' and 'liberal democrat'. CLICK HERE

After reading this remember it has been some 13 years and counting to who knows how long. The true misjustice here in in not being a quick execution of the sentence. Here is what is going on CLICK HERE

Danr can really get his teeth into this one. I can hear him now saying he would welcome old Charley into his home and make sure he got good treatment along with access to the computer and web sites. Good old Danr, his heart is in the right place.

 

BEYOND THE SHADOW OF A DOUBT
Doubt - Noun - uncert

 

BEYOND THE SHADOW OF A DOUBT
Doubt - noun - uncertainty of truth
After hearing the evidence and 12 citizens all agree - the accused should have ONE chance to appeal the decision. The Exicution should take place within 30 days of such appeal, and should be PUBLIC.
Bring back the rope so we can see them squirm and wiggle.

 

ok I dont realy think that anyone here would support the execution of a inocent person so why not alter the penal system as follows.
Life means Life, no parole
8ft by 4ft cell
solid soundproof doors & walls
no association with other inmates
no tv, radio, newspaper, book
no natural light
minimum food
no visiting rights
no gym
15mins excercise a day indoors
no mail
matress only & 1 blanket
minimum heating

How long do you think it would take before people realy did start to think twice before going out to comit a possibly violent crime once this regiem became common knowlage?? of course it would not stop murder but it would be a real deterant.

De Orc

 

I could argue that your statement assumes that nobody that was ever convicted and sentenced to death was actually innocent. You have way more faith in our legal system then the rest of us have. You keep making the same stupid point for no apparent reason.

And the appeals process is infallible in your opinion?

I don't even know where you got this statement from????? Not my post anyway.

Well, that is until you put them to death which is my point in the first place. As long as you brought the rest of the world into this, we are one of the few western countries that still have the death penalty.

In our legal system, which you appear to know very little about by posting this thoughtless attempt at wit, a person is innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. You try proving your innocence’s from behind bars some time.

Yeah! I guess that’s why prisons have been referred to as reformatories for as long as anyone can remember.

Who died and left you Sigmund Freud?

Thanks for clearing that up for the rest of us. Who’d a thunk, desperate people committing crimes? What a concept.

 

"For me, it comes down to one question; and it's not, does the death penalty deter crime, does the justice system really work and is it fair? And it's not the always head befuddling question, "What if it were someone you knew"? No, I think it comes down to the question, "Do you really want your government, these geniuses we elect, to be in the business of putting certain members of society to death"? I saw a poll today that said 3/4 of the country think that the members of both parties are equally corrupt. Yet we trust them with our lives in legal matters". Moen

If we killed the serial rapists, the cold blooded killers, the bankers who wash drug lord money a few months after sentencing then you will have your determent.
As for the corrupt politicians, that is more reason why we need to take our justice system back. Since ABSCAM, FBI posing as Arab shieks and buying Congressman, I have seem an effort by our elected leaders to make it legal in so many ways to get "paid off". Example, ten of thousands to actually a million dollar speaking fee after leaving office, no interest loans for houses that are forgiven, etc.....

 

So Andy, you want to extend the government's powers to put it's citizens to death for other crimes also? Or am I just reading that wrong? Because you then went on to say how corrupt congressmen are so I am sort of lost as to what you are getting at.

The thin buffer we have is that elected officals aren't in the judiciary branch of the government, they just get to appointed the members of the judiciary and confirm them. That's enough to scare me.

 

Come on now Moen, I know your from Minnesota so nothing should scare you!

 

Oh not true, a very warm day gets me scard enough to get me thinkin' about movin' north. Gimme that cold weather. Besides, I left Minnesota 18 yrs ago. I've had plenty of time for my fearless Minnesota façade to crumble.

 

My statement makes no such assumption... you could make that argument but you'd have no factual basis for it. Since my "stupid point" has no "apparent reason" to you, let me try to make it simple for you: A dead murderer cannot continue to kill people. That statement does not claim that the legal system is 100% infallible, any system created by imperfect human beings will not be perfect, but you cannot argue against the fact that a genuinely guilty murderer who is executed completely ceases to be able to kill people.

Never said it was. However, you get several appeals. A genuinely innocent person who has wrongfully been convicted has many opportunities to prove their innocence, especially if sentenced to death, before their sentence is carried out. It may not be perfect, but considering how long it takes from the time one is sentenced to death to the time the sentence is actually carried out, I'd say they have plenty of time to prove their innocence if they are genuinely innocent. With the forensic technology available today the chances of being wrongfully convicted are pretty small, and the chance of proving one's innocence even if they are wrongfully convicted are pretty large. Feel free to disagree with me, but I've never held that perfection should be the minimum acceptable standard in anything.

Um, I did get that statement from your post. Do you not remember posting this?

That is the statement I was responding to... is your memory just that short?

Again, there is plenty of time for a genuuinely innocent person wrongfully sentenced to death to prove their innocence before their sentence is carried out. In most other countries a convicted person has little recourse to prove their innocence. I'd also like to point out we are the only country in the world where trial by jury is a guaranteed right (few other countries even have it at all) and we are one of the few countries where someone accused of a crime is presumed innocent until proven guilty, as long as you're comparing us to other countries.

Well you seem to know about presumtion of innocence too... but you seem to forget that someone in prison already has been proven guilty by a jury. Juries are not infallible of course... but if new evidence or testimony can be found, a convicted person can get a new trial or even have the charges dismissed an be released.

There is a huge difference between a stated goal and a goal actually being seriously persued. I don't remember prisons ever been called reformatories, perhaps you have a longer memory than I do.

Are you trying to claim that everyone who ever committed a crime did so out of desperation? Nobody ever committed a crime out of hate, greed, homicidal mania, etc.? Desperation is merely one motive out of many, and I don't believe it's the most prevalent one. Since the entire topic is about the death penalty... which I only support for murder... try to say with a straight face that all, or even most, murderers committed their crimes out of pure desperation.

 

I know what your point was! IT"S AN OLD JOKE. Not meant in any way to be used as a real argument. A statement of the obvious. DAH!

I disagree, thanks for the permission.

You badly paraphrased my original statement and it was unrecognizable to me as anything I would have said.

I don't care what other counties legal procedures are. I live in this country and my standards are higher for my legal system. Uhhh? I said that in this country you are innocent until proven guilty. Why are you parroting my own statement back to me?

I didn't forget that, I said it was more difficult from behind bars to prove you are innocent.

They still are called reformatories.

My point, which you have taken to an extreme, was that desperation is often a motive for crime. Not the sole reason by any means but I think it isn't an important point anyway.

 

I am a very strong advocate of bringing back the death penalty to New Zealand,as New Zealand has now got the highest rate of child abuse in the entire British Commonwealth.Politicians have for far too long ignored the wishes of the people.The people voted overwhelmingly in a referendum back in 1999 to impose extremely tough penalties for violent crimes.What did the corrupt politicians go & do? They declared the referendum result to be not binding.This has angered very constitutionally-minded people such as myself.

In New Zealand,a murderer can get sentenced to 'life' in gaol,yet they can often be released within 10 years.Some of those released are very dangerous with an extremely high risk of committing another violent crime.It is a fact that the people have every right to fear these subhuman lowlifes.It is also a fact that it costs NZ$52,000 a year to keep 1 child abuser,rapist, or murderer behind bars.A prison in New Zealand is more like a holiday camp than anything else.These pieces of subhumanity are given 3 meals a day.They're also allowed to have T.V.'s & phones in their cells.A lot of decent-minded people in New Zealand
don't even have that,yet these lowlifes are pampered.To me,that is an insult.To me,there should only NZ$1 spent on each of these lowlifes - for the bullets used to put them to death.

While I normally regard the Iranian regime's policies as barbaric,I do agree with them on only one thing.They put homosexuals to death by hanging them in public after being flogged.I can agree with where Fred Phelps is coming
from.You can find his website here; www.godhatesfags.com
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I am also a very strong advocate of giving corrupt politicians the death penalty.Here in New Zealand,the politicians have lied to the people for years.Even when I was serving under former Governor-General Sir Michael Hardie-Boys,I was calling for the death penalty to be given to Maori Nationalists,especially Tariana Turia,who sold out the people of Wanganui over Moutoa Gardens back in 1995.
She later gave an openly Britanniphobic speech comparing the policies of the colonial government in the 19th Century to the Nazis.She even had the nerve to use the word 'Holocaust' in her speech.It was a speech that caused a lot of offence.When I met with Sir Michael Hardie-Boys in late 2000,a few months before his retirement as Governor-General,I said to him,"Your Excellency,that Tariana Turia deserves nothing less than to be taken out & shot for promoting racial hatred.If she had been shot years ago for her part in leading the illegal occupation of Moutoa Gardens
back in 1995,then New Zealand's race relations situation wouldn't be as bad as it is now.It must be remembered that I,like you,do not want to see our troubled Dominion become like a cross between Ulster & Rhodesia - a bloodbath!".He told me that he could understand where I was coming from.

Aidan.

 

Not much comment on rehab, can these people change?

 

:loud: NO!

If they do it once, they'll do it again.

 

Hence the reason why they deserve to be given a bullet! That's what the subhumans from Sinn Fein/I.R.A. & Z.A.N.U.-P.F. deserve.

Aidan.

 

I am not trying to p*ss you off but weren't the IRA the good guys. The poor people standing up for their rights. I do not know much about the thing but that was my impression.

 

Danr - God knows the Irish had good reasons for being anti-British, but the IRA were terrorists. There is no excuse in the world for targeting civilians regardless of how legitimate the grievances against the government.

 

I agree with you Cloudsweeper and I have spent many hours hearing songs of Ireland being sung by drunken friends in years past. There are so many fractions of the IRA. Some were noble most were hoods. Big time drug dealers and shake down artists. One of the reasons why the mothers took to the streets to stop the maddness is that they wanted their neighborhoods back. Plus the economic boom of Ireland has helped alot with bringing peace.

 

Moen the thing that most Americans tend to forget is that we are the government, we are the United States. What we need to do is take back our system from big business and outside interests and the only way to do that is control soft money and have a limit on money spent for reelection. Which would be a difficult task. But that would take hours to cover with discussing alotted TV time and the almost impossible task of safeguarding against soft money and indirect campaigning.