London attacked...again!

Prove to me that the "religion of peace" is indeed...peaceful! Bet you can't!

You have to thank them for the numbers 1 through 9 that we use on coins (Romans came up with zero), but that is about it when you look at world history and their contribution (lack of) to it.

 

Mine is, besided the crusades ages ago

 

Here we go again GD!

You aren't going to go on another ranting diatribe are you Midas? I'll ignore this one, thank you. :{

 

There is a method of extermination known as a "Nuke" seems like the radicals need a little adjustment!!

It is the few whom make misery for the masses..it is the meek whom shall inherit the world!!
May the hand of God be swift in this cleansing and be merciful to the innocent!

 

Hey Meon...all I mentioned that London was attacked...again!

I am sure that the authorities are looking for militant catholic nuns who are still fighting the crusades (1000 years removed). Let's not point fingers at just one group. Also...isn't there a militant wing of the salvation army too? Sorry, that was an Austin Powers movie, but let's make sure we go after those groups that prey on the innocent too.

I am also recognizing the vast contribution that the arabic world has made...especially for our beloved coins...when they introduced the numbers one through nine. We should thank them for making math and coin identification easier. They forgot the number zero, but we should keep all of them close to our heart for their contributions to mankind.

Diatribe??...me??...Just reporting the news of today in a most sensitive manner.

 

Oh boy here we go again
I will sit this one out (crosses fingers)

 

Well, before you uninformed masses go ranting that we ought to blow up the Middle East, I just would like you all to realize one thing:

Islamic Fundamentalists are only as much Muslim as the Ku Klux Clan are Christians. Islamic Fundamentalists (or Extremists, if you prefer), are just that, the culture taken to an EXTREME level, where such a strict interpretation of Islam is employed that it seems almost inhuman to some of us cultured in America. Much the same way, the KKK takes Christian ideals to such an extreme measure that it seems to be anti-societal.

The Islamic religion is very peaceful in and of itself, and it is in many ways similar to Christianity. The only points they deviate on are on the subjects of Jesus and Mohammed. If I understand it correctly, in Islam, Jesus is not the Son of God; he is a prophet given a piece of the stories of the Bible much the same way Moses and Job were. Mohammed was the prophet chosen to recieve the final visions of the One True God, or in the Christian religion, the final books of the Bible.

Muslims are not "out to get" Americans; one of the big reasons we have seen so many bombings by them is in fact very similar to the cross-burning repore in the 1960's in America. Whites did not like blacks getting equal treatment and integrating into schools, restaurants, politics, etc. with other whites. Much the same way, I believe that Islamic Extremists dislike our ideals of equal treatment of women, homosexuals, and certain other freedoms, since they deviate from the "norm."

I'm not going to say we should all get along 100% of the time, and nor do I condone the attacks of 9/11/01, or 7/7/05 or 7/21/05 or any of the others perpetrated by terrorist cells. I'm just saying that we need to try to understand the other side's ideals (Muslims' if you are non-Muslim, Christianity, if you are non-Christian, etc.) before you go and judge them based solely on the actions of a select few.

~AJ

 

I agree with you ajm in many many cases but do you think thats realistic? Do you think Americans will become one with everybody? Nope, I think a couple of decades with some Marshall Law in the Middle East will help us to understand. I am completely against the bombing(atomic) of the Middle East due to the point Jesus lived there and all but action is needed. Are we gonna wait for another terror attack and ask to please stop again? I believe harsh action in needed. I know that there are many many good nice Muslims out there that just want to live in a peaceful way. Since Im a student I do have a bigger expierence of how Muslim students act on purpose and its not always nice and peaceful. (no harm meant, just an opinion on mine)

 

The few you are talking about is NOT a few, but MILLIONS throughout the world. Sure we have some KKK idiots, but for every one of them, there is a 1000 from the "religion of peace". Nobody can prove to me that it is in fact a "religion of peace". The last 30 years, the number of dead, and the number of abused woman, all support my viewpoint.

Talk is cheap...until I see actions from islamic clerics/leaders (where many have been on record as approving these attacks, such as 9/11 and 7/7), my viewpoints will not change. BTW, my opinions have been in place since the 1972 Munich Olympics...only to be reaffirmed year after year and bombing after bombing.

And still...people are willing to claim it is a religion of peace. Prove it!

 

Edited by Steve E. Hit the wrong button. Please delete.

 

Sort of says it all!

We're not the ones setting off all the d--n bombs!! You better go tell them!

I guess setting off bombs that are purposely targeted to kill innocent men, women and children is the "norm"!

I'm sure many people believed this also in pre-WWII Germany.

Ok, Let's line every one of them up and you point out all the innocent, peace loving ones from the terrorists.

I'm sure many German, Italian, Japanese, Korean and Vietnamese patriots didn't fully believe in their leaders religious or political ideals but none-the-less they didn't hesitate to pull the trigger and Knock off a few Americans or their allies. I served my country and I'm DAMN proud of it. Yes I'll admit that I don't know everything, call me uninformed but never call me BLIND!!! Religion of peace!!!???!!! I think you should make hundreds of copies of your post and send one to every family who has lost a loved one in America, England, Iraq or Afghanistan. I'm sure all of them will agree with you. Remember, I work in the cemetery business. I've helped bury a few victims of the "Religion of Peace" and I sure didn't see any Muslims there apologizing for what the extremists had done!!

As history shows, for a religion of peace, they sure do like to fight a lot! Looks more like a "religion of PIECES" to me!!!

I'm heading off to go sit in the corner and burn for awhile. I apologize for ranting and raving but that's just what dumb uninformed people do.

 

No, it's a few compared to the number of PEACEFUL Muslims out there. As for your explanation of a ratio of 1 KKK member to 1000 Muslim Extremists, that is completely wrong. I would have to say that you are simply naive and ignorant of any religion but your own. And you know something? That's the very thing that starts off terrorism. Go read up on Islam, and perhaps you can do something useful later to help the fight against TERRORISM, not ISLAM, in the future.

I never said Americans will ever become one with anybody. Americans are ignorant, naive, and altogether uninformaed overall about things of this very nature. We do not understand any cultures besides our own.

I also never said that we should "wait for another terror attack and ask to please stop again." What I said was that we should try to become more informed about the situation over there and some of the ideals that Islam employs in order to try to peacefully resolve at least some disputes. I realize we will never peacefully resolve all disputes, and that terrorism is not something that can be "pointed out" as suggested, but I think that going over there and bombing innocent people in order to get to a smaller number of terrorists or extremists is absolutely only going to fuel the negative feelings of Americans already harbored by the Middle East. We need to minimize this collateral damage by using diplomacy rather than military invasion all the time. So far, no one has tried very hard to do that with TERRORISTS. They have done so with diplomatic leaders, like the leaders of Palestine and Israel, but no one has attempted to root out the nature of the problems with the leaders of al-Qaeda or other terror networks.

If you served your country, you should have a better idea that we aren't fighting the whole world, nor are we fighting all Muslims, but merely a select few. Unless you served in a different conflict, which you were not specific about in your post. And yes, I WILL call you blind to the facts that you have so blatently chosen to overlook while ranting about blowing things up.

Do you honestly think I don't notice that several thousand Americans died on September 11th? Do you think I haven't seen and heard reports every d**n day on the news and radio about more American soldiers being killed? If you think I don't hear those, then you are blind AND deaf. My only question to you is "Why don't we also see reports about the number of civilians with NO TERROR CONNECTIONS in the Middle East and elsewhere being killed?" The answer is that America largely is so self-centered that they don't care, only fueled on by commenters like yourself with your snide and utterly useless and ignorant "arguments."

As for making copies of my post and sending them to every family who has lost someone, I'D BE GLAD TO. I'll start with my own first, thank you very much!

~AJ

 

First...we have "smart" bombs that can specifically target our enemies. We use them to reduce lost of civilians. Our enemies would never use "smart" bombs as the more the kill, the better. After all, we are infidels and the koran is pretty clear how infidels need to be dealt with. I am more harsh...I would have made the entire area a "parking lot" so that terrorists and their children (male) in islamic schools (as they bop and rock back and forth) don't have the will to fight.

Second...you will never convince me and most people that islam is a "religion of peace". Actions speak louder than some cleric being interviewed on CNN stating islam is a peaceful loving religion. PROVE IT! These clerics smile for the cameras then go to their mosque and preach the destruction of the West...the home of infidels!

Third...you keep on mentioning a "few" but I will wager everything I own (including my coins) that there are millions and millions of these people that want us dead for their Allah. I used a ratio of one KKK member to 1,000 islamic terrorists and I have no doubt that my numbers are more correct than your use of the word, "few". Also, when was the last time a KKK member strapped a bomb to himself and blew up the innocent. Are you goinng to mention the OK bombing of the federal building? Well, we wasted no time in convicting those two idiots and executing them. We didn't have Christian groups applauding their actions. All types of Americans searched high and low to bring these two to justice. That is the main difference...if a fellow American committed crimes, we would go after him. Mulsims turn their cheek and quietly hail their efforts...all while claiming they are peaceful.

So other than the OK bombing, please name all the acts of terrorism and murder comitted by the KKK over the last 30 years. I am not defending the KKK, but for you to correlate that their actions are the same as islamic terrorism, you are sadly misguided.

Fourth...you state we need to understand them and open a dialogue. I for one believe we should never deal with terrorist. They need to be dealt with force...swiftly and with all of the forces of nature that we can employ.

Fifth...if you have sympathy to islamic terrorist and want us to understand them, you are then my enemy. You are either with us, or against us...and I see whose side you lean to.

How many more bombings will it take you "let's hold hands and sing together" people to realize we are at war?? Have you forgotten the 1972 Olympics?, hi-jacking after hi-jacking?, bombing after bombing? and beheading after beheading?...and you want to have a dialogue with these animals?

What a shame...

 

Remember guys, this is not to be taken over to the coin forums. Let it out here and please dont spread it over there. Hehe I sound like a moderator

I really dont want to get to involved here to much so please dont respond to this but America's culture is made up of every culture in the world- hot dogs_-_ German, pizza_-_ Roman (not Italian, its Roman) and many many other things

easy buddy, dont get to harsh

 

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what makes any of you think that this is an appropriate forum for this message board?

Peter Davis provides, out of his own pocket, time, and knowledge, an excellent message board where people can come to discuss numismatics. People, along the way, voiced that a general discussion forum would be a nice place where we could get to know our fellow members in areas outside numismatics.

Gentleman, I ask you to read what you have written in this thread, and consider the following questions: "What message am I sending to newcomers to this site?" and "What right to I have to send it?"

I am asking you to stop it, and if that won't get the trick done - I am requesting that a moderator step in and remove it entirely.

Take your hate elsewhere.

 

this sounds like one of those die-hard Republican talk shows that my dad listens too.
2 questions
Midas, r u republican?
ajm, r u democratic?

 

Terrorism does and will effect coin values...

When the next attack happens (especially here in the United States) and when everything from the Dow Jones to your current coin values are effected because of the actions of the "religion of peace", simply not talking about it or sticking your head in the sand is not the solution.

We need to be vigilant and step up to the plate...otherwise, when coin values fall because of another attack from the "religion of peace", I don't want to say, "Told you so..."

This is more than appropriate for the General Discussion as the current events of today effect all of us.

Now, before you raise your voice and complain, reinforce your argument.

 

Midas,


nobody can talk a man out of his hate - and I don't care to try with you. It's a waste of both of our time.

Since applying to your sense of reason was not sufficient, I formally request that a moderator shut this thread down.

 

A thread along this same line was locked and everyone was told NOT TO START IT AGAIN...please don't do it...I think that is plain enough for everyone.

Speedy
Moderator