I'm Surprised The Health Care Repeal Hasn't Merited a Thread

One won't notice any changes if they already have insurance? What about the companies that have already made changes? What about the employers who have eliminated positions to get below the 50 employee threshhold? Those folks have a noticed a change.
Additionally, the CBO has come out and stated the numbers they used (supplied by the administration) to calculate savings as a result of Healthcare reform were faulty.
And you talk about personal responsibility? What would be more responsible than me paying my own doctor bill if I, using your example, fall down the stairs?
Finally, your auto insurance example is false because you only have to carry auto insurance if you choose to buy a vehicle. What life insurance? Disability ins? You aren't required to keep that.

 

WRONG! I have several friends whose health insurance has already been increased because of this law. And that's just within my inner circle of friends! I'm hearing reports of insurance increases all over the place.

What about the destitute, the homeless, the mentally challenged and those who simply refuse to pay?

If I don't have insurance and I fall down the stairs, Let ME worry about paying the hospital. I'm not asking you to pay my bills; it's between the hospital and me. If I commit a crime, let me worry about the penalty (or do you want to sit in prison for part of my sentence)? I'm sick of this socialistic community salvation crap.

Moen, Moen, Moen... Everything about that sentence makes me cringe. You might as well say, "I don't see anything wrong with forcing people to buy a gun they will eventually use anyway". Wow! Simply wow!

You've previously stated that comparing health care insurance to car insurance is wrong. Please don't use the comparison here to build your case. It makes you look foolish.

No, you don't. I've never asked you to pay my hospital bills. I've never asked ANYONE to pay my hospital bills. And, believe me, I've had some considerable hospital bills in my life that weren't covered by insurance. I've had to scrimp and save, go without some things, cut back on necessities, etc. But, you've never had to pay my bills for me and I don't expect you to ever have to.

 

Maybe you haven't noticed but health insurance has risen every year for quite some time now. They have blamed the cost of health care, litigation, and just about anything else while making huge profits along the way. Blaming this law is just their latest reason.

They are already eligible for Medicaid. What's the difference really? I wouldn't worry about them, their numbers are negligible.

No, you will simply walk away and not pay the bill because you can't afford it. We get stuck paying for it as tax payers and you get free health care. Sorry, it's time you pay for your own health care. It's only socialism is you can walk in and expect the state to pay for it. By not being insured, that is exactly what you are doing.

Everyone uses health care. Name someone you know that has never used health care. I've never owned a gun and I know countless people that have never owned a gun. Your analogy is pathetic.

The way use the car insurance analogy is foolish. The way I use it, it is apt.


No, you don't. I've never asked you to pay my hospital bills. I've never asked ANYONE to pay my hospital bills. And, believe me, I've had some considerable hospital bills in my life that weren't covered by insurance. I've had to scrimp and save, go without some things, cut back on necessities, etc. But, you've never had to pay my bills for me and I don't expect you to ever have to.[/QUOTE]So you say but why should I believe you? Tell me how a family of five making 20K a year pays a $5000 hospital bill. Oh yeah, screw them! They don't deserve the same health care you do. They are poor.

 

The basic premise of your philosophy is flawed. The problem being is that your philosophy is based on the individual mandate, or rather forcing everyone to buy health insurance. This is contradictory to the Commerce Clause and is, therefore, unconstitutional. Thankfully, a basic tenet of American ideology is individual freedom which is paramount. Now, if you enjoy the type of society in which your freedoms are impeded or you're forced to do or buy something, you might be better off living in a country that espouses that since the United States doesn't seem to embrace your expectations of a utopian society.

Oh, and if everyone uses water should I be forced to buy it from the utility company? Perhaps I'd like to use rainwater instead. Or possibly drill my own well. I might even buy bottled water. Or maybe I'll use a stream on my property. Maybe I'll have it shipped in from Perrier, France. I might collect it from the morning dew. Or melt some snow. It's very presumptuous of you to even suggest that I be forced to buy health care.

 

Profit! Their associations with profiteers and the corporate conglomerate their party so proudly and boldly represents! What else?

 

Well....Bush taught us all that we need not worry about what judges rule if we don't like the ruling. We'll just do an end run around him, maybe an executive order...maybe get our lawyers to write exclusions, or simply ignore it. Hey...I know. We can make up a reason why health care needs to be enforced, like when Bush made up the reasons for invading Iraq! Seems to have worked out ok for him.

 

It is indeed quite the waste of time. Save your breath for someone with less dain bramage Moen.

 

You "know" people. I "know" people in the medical profession too. You're WRONG. Question for ya. Do you think insurance costs WEREN'T going up anyway, irrespective of the initiative? They always go up. They would have gone up regardless. That's part of the reason the subject needed to be addressed. So long as YOU are ok though, that's all that really matters.

 

I know I did not expect that cost to do anything but go up, but are you calling you boss a liar?

 

So, following your "logic"...the way to combat rising healthcare costs is to raise the cost of healthcare? Did you think about this before you posted?
And while we're at it, your philosophy is to hate everyone who is successful so how can you truste the people you know in the medical profession?

 

The cost didn't go up "as a result" of the legislation. It went up for the same reasons it always does. MORE and PROFIT. Your party's beloved "market forces" at work, as usual. Whether on not the legislation passed or not, costs, prices, profit would go up regardless. That's the point. I'm sure Fox news reports that it's all Obama's doing though.

 

Hold on a minute....you were just defending the fact that Obamacare was raising costs?!?!?!? Now you say it isn't?

 

I heard him say "reduces most people's premiums". I did not hear any unless's, if's, might's, may's, or anything else to make it conditional.

 

It will be a while before this all plays out. Patience.

BTW, A certain member on here, hung a dummy with "Obamacare" written on it from a tree in the heart of the UF campus. This was all on the night of the bill passing and it stayed up for a good 12 hours. hehehehe

 

The federal government cannot require that citizens buy something, nor can they require that citizens don't buy something, it works both ways. They had a chance to put a severability clause on this, and they chose not to. Now, the severability clause is basically if any part of this is found unconstitutional, the rest of it remains okay. The judges ruling said basically there is no severability clause, I’m finding the whole thing unconstitutional.

Its ironic that a nation started as the result of opposing a British mandate giving the East India Company a monopoly and imposing a nominal tax on all tea sold in America would have set out to create a government with the power to force people to buy tea in the first place.

 

Well, you have to take into account that this judge is tied to the right wing so, his ruling isn't really a surprise. The surprise would be finding somebody on the right that doesn't align themselves with wealthy corporate entities. If the right could come up with somebody like that to run for prez, well, I shudder to think. But, thankfully, that will never occur so we're all safe.

 

I'm sure this is the type of response the left fringe is feeding you but what it boils down to is much more simple:
Does BO have the Constitutional authority to force us into his healthcare system?