Breaking investigation of the Chinese Lab!

The world around us evolvs at an organic rate, responding to stimuli as encountered, and as able to adapt. Such evolutions are very slow, gradual processes.

Whatever the incentive, a scientific laboratory searches for, identifies and takes short cuts in its developmental efforts to maximize the effectiveness of its product in as little time as possible.

I have no doubt that, given the knowledge, skill, and Fauci-furnished financial resources, the Wuhan Lab was no less capable of engineering COVID than Mother Nature is . . . and I think they beat her to it. In fact, in searching a bit, I find something that may or may not be connected, but it points to the possibility that China had targeted "Gain of Function" as a primary goal . . . from Wikipedia,

The National Bio-safety Laboratory has strong ties to the Galveston National Laboratory in the University of Texas.[15] It also had ties with Canada's National Microbiology Laboratory until WIV staff scientists Xiangguo Qiu and her husband Keding Cheng, who were also remunerated by the Canadian government, were escorted from the Canadian lab for undisclosed reasons in July 2019.[16] Researchers from the WIV have, in the past, collaborated with international scientists in the creation of chimeric coronavirus.[17] Some researchers (notably Richard Ebright) believe this work falls under the definition of gain of function research, but many other experts dispute this classification.[18]

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And from Footnote 16 above,

Jens Stoltenberg, who toured CFB Petawawa on Monday and met with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, said at a news conference he couldn't comment on this specific case, but appeared to suggest the possibility of espionage.

"What I can say in general is that we have seen increased efforts by the nations to spy on NATO allies in different ways," he said .

"This is partly about industrial espionage and it affects our military forces and military intelligence so this is something that we take very seriously."
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I find it quite curious that this incident occurred a mere few months before the outbreak.

Am I unequivocally convinced that COVID did not escape from the WIV? . . . Not so unequivocally convinced as you seem to be that it did not.

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1. We barely gave them anything.

2. I wish I shared your optimism about our capabilities

3. "Gain-of-function" is not at all synonymous with making something able to infect humans.

4. This is the study that took place in North Carolina, that I referred to above.

Curious, sure. Speculative, definitely. Lots of stuff happened in the world leading up to the pandemic

 

Untrue . . . What Fauci gave them isn’t worth much here in America, but it is worth much more in China.

It sure is . . .

Gain-of-function research (GoF research or GoFR) is medical research that genetically alters an organism in a way that may enhance the biological functions of gene products. This may include an altered pathogenesis, transmissibility, or host range, i.e., the types of hosts that a microorganism can infect. This research is intended to reveal targets to better predict emerging infectious diseases and to develop vaccines and therapeutics. For example, influenza B can infect only humans and harbor seals.[1] Introducing a mutation that would allow influenza B to infect rabbits in a controlled laboratory situation would be considered a gain-of-function experiment, as the virus did not previously have that function.[2][3] That type of experiment could then help reveal which parts of the virus's genome correspond to the species that it can infect, enabling the creation of antiviral medicines which block this function.[3]

In virology, gain-of-function research is usually employed with the intention of better understanding current and future pandemics.[4] In vaccine development, gain-of-function research is conducted in the hope of gaining a head start on a virus and being able to develop a vaccine or therapeutic before it emerges.[4] The term "gain of function" is sometimes applied more narrowly to refer to "research which could enable a pandemic-potential pathogen to replicate more quickly or cause more harm in humans or other closely-related mammals."[5][6]​

Lots of stuff happened, but not like raised my eyebrows when I read about the dismissal of this pair of researchers.

 

Well if it's so much, how much did he give them? Surely you know how much money we gave if you're convinced it's so much.

Read your passage again. That explicitly is not synonymous with making things able to infect humans. I mean my god, the example in the middle:

"Introducing a mutation that would allow influenza B to infect rabbits in a controlled laboratory situation would be considered a gain-of-function experiment"

The point being, that "gain-of-function research" does not mean "we made it able to infect humans better"

 

If memory serves me well, it was a few hundred thousand dollars, which goes a long way in China.

You are wrong.

An effort to gain viral function against humans is perfectly analogous to an effort to gain viral function against rabbits . . . the targets are different . . . the act is the same.

 

That is nothing in science, don't care where you are. Remember that they order from many of the same suppliers we do, they even pay extra sometimes for imports.

I'm trying to say gain-of-function isn't inherently aiming to make a microorganism better at infect humans. The target is different, and that's the point. Do you think modifying them at all is bad? Because a lot of the lab leak conspiracy is predicated on trying to say gain-of-function=better at infecting humans, which is wrong.

 

I asked @GeneWright this question twice:

Gene, do you agree with this: The Chinese lab was being paid by the US to get the virus to infect humans.

I was shocked that he answered my second request:

GeneWright, posted: "No.

The "evidence" for his ignorance from EIGHT YEARS AGO: "There was one paper on that topic in like 2015 that involved a large group of researchers, 2 of which were from the Wuhan institute. However, the experiments actually took place in North Carolina."

This poster appears to be a propagandist for the Red Chinese. I'm sure Gene is aware of the Congressional investigations and actual testimony going on RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT and the actual evidence exposed by HONEST, UNBIASED JOURNALISTS. Nevertheless, this member tries to add to the democrat and Red Chinese cover-up with his reply.

Now, I did ask a direct question and he did reply ; however, something SMELLS VERY FISHY. That's because @GeneWright has not come across as ignorant as Chin Chin in the past

 

哦不，我的伪装被揭穿了

 

Yes, you have been exposed.

 

@GeneWright

你不試圖隱藏你的本色

 

GeneWright, posted: "Gain-of-function" is not at all synonymous with making something able to infect humans."

@GeneWright, this is 100% true. However, it CAN ALSO be applied to the research being done in
RED CHINA with our money to get a virus to jump to humans. That's why "The Fauch" REFUSES to call it "Gain of Function" as that would make what he has authorized payment for ILLEGAL!!!

The RAT has been caught. Ignorant folks defend that RAT and their Red Chinese employers.