Abortion...

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Phoenix21, Jun 4, 2008.

  1. Phoenix21

    Phoenix21 New Member

    What are y'all's opinions on this? Your thoughts, feelings, beliefs? A popular topic, but something I don't see discussed really if that makes sense. So, have at it, it'll be interesting to read everyone's opinions on this.

    Phoenix :cool:
     
  2. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    Personaly I dont agree with taking life but, I support the right of a mother to determin what is best for her. I know that view wont prove to be popular but there we go :)
     
  3. clembo

    clembo Well-Known Member

    I'm leaning your way on this and it's NOT popular but it is honest. There are so many different scenarios that require a woman having an option no matter what people may think.

    I will expound upon this more later.

    clembo
     
  4. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    I'm sure this will turn into quite a thread so I'll be brief & reserve the right to come back later.
    If you believe life begins at conception (as I do) then abortion is murder, plain & simple. Many people will raise issues of "justifiable abortion" as in the case of rape or incest or when the mother's life is in jeopardy. The truth is that these abortions make up a miniscule number of the abortions performed annually- most abortions are simply irresponsible methods of birth control.
    I don't agree that abortion is okay in cases of rape or incest. The baby isn't at fault & if you have ever heard the children who where products of rape or incest speak you might find that you agree- there are many examples where these children have lead productive lives & added incredible value to our country. As far as for medical purposes, where a life is trully in jeopardy, I'm not entirely opposed but I think that decision needs to be made by objective medical experts.
     
  5. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger Another Wandering Celt

    Pro Life all the way, except where the health/life of the mother is endangered.

    Ben
     
  6. stainless

    stainless New Member

    You are right that it wasn't the babies fault, however I belive when a women is raped she should have the right. It's not her fault either, why should she have to go through pregnancy because of what some guy (if you can call him that) did to her?

    This is one of the very few ways I am for abortion. If you had consentual (er...however you spell it) sex, then you should have to have the baby.

    Unless there is an exception, like say you will die if you have it or something like that. But the only other way would be rape or incest.


    stainless
     
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  7. clembo

    clembo Well-Known Member

    Very well put Stainless.

    I am not one that "backs" abortion. As David stated it becomes a convenient form of birth control.

    However, telling a woman that has been raped or a victim of incest is not my or anyone elses place. The emotional trauma of carrying that child full term would be excrutiating I would believe.

    It's easy to say that a woman in that situation should carry to full term. I believe it would be a lot different if YOU were the woman in question.

    Incest, rape or the possibility of a pregnancy ending the mother's life should be a decision the mother makes. The decision itself is difficult enough.
     
  8. Level Headed

    Level Headed El Paranoico

    Rape or Incest and the health of the mother would be my only exceptions. I consider it murder. Thats all Im saying on this topic.
     
  9. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    This issue is always turns to rape, incest & the health of the mother...taking those 3 items off the table, what is everyones view of abortion in any other instance?
     
  10. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger Another Wandering Celt

    With the polygamists down in Texas who have been in the news lately you may want to drop INCEST from your list. That seems to be a prerequisite for being a member of their community.

    BTW, they call which alerted the police was a prank call from an Obama Super-Delegate.
     
  11. Phoenix21

    Phoenix21 New Member

    No matter how you really look at it honestly IMHO, it is murder. You are taking away an innocent life, that had no chance to live. Now if it does come down to the health of the mother, then it really depends on the survival expectancy of the mother. Rape or incest, it depends how strong the mother is emotionally and mentally IMHO. But, even then, even the strongest people can have a break down. So, if I was the mother, I would atleast try, not give up without trying would be my opinion. But, I am not, and never will be a mother, so I can't really speak too loudly on that.

    Phoenix :cool:
     
  12. clembo

    clembo Well-Known Member

    I think it's been pretty well stated if you read the posts David.
     
  13. stainless

    stainless New Member

    None of us should really answer this question actually (even though i did)

    All of us (I think) that are members of this site are males, so what right do we have on this subject?


    stainless
     
  14. Phoenix21

    Phoenix21 New Member

    True, in a sense, but it's always good to have an opinion on a matter, especially like this one. I agree, we can't say definetly since we can't nor ever will be able to carry a child, but it's good to discuss and see what someone's views are on subjects like this, IMHO. That way it helps us in some ways to get different views to help us form a different or better opinion. But that's just me. :) I meant this in now way to get anyone upset or offended, and if I did I'm sorry. :(

    Phoenix :cool:
     
  15. Level Headed

    Level Headed El Paranoico

    I forgot to add, in the case of rape and incest, they should also "abort" the perpetrator. On pay per view.
     
  16. Stu Joe

    Stu Joe New Member

    I think that depends upon how you look at abortion...whether you think abortion is a moral issue (like taking an innocent life) or a medical issue (like removing a cancer). If the former, I think gender does not matter in the discussion. If the latter, it probably you are probably right.
     
  17. PTD
    Fiendish

    PTD Administrator Moderator

    I have a problem taking sides on this one. I can't figure out who to line up with, the people who want to kill their babies, or the people who want the government to be in charge of deciding when you can have kids. I guess my solution for the problem is 'use a condom'.
     
  18. invictus

    invictus New Member

    Well I'll play the devil's advocate (quite literally, some will think) and say that abortion is a useful and important tool in the preservation of society. I don't add lofty caveats of suffrance of crime or bodily harm as the justifications. Abortion is a necessary last defense against unwanted children and the effects that they have upon individuals and society.

    Who's going to care for this baby, who's going to pay for it, are the parents capable and willing to do so? Without strong positive answers, I don't see that a baby should be brought to term. We have enough people in the world, so we can afford to be selective.

    More to say, but let's start here.
     
  19. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    "Who's going to care for this baby, who's going to pay for it, are the parents capable and willing to do so? Without strong positive answers, I don't see that a baby should be brought to term. We have enough people in the world, so we can afford to be selective.

    More to say, but let's start here".[/
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    This is the type of thinking that has led to the moral decay of our country...is the solution to merely kill a generation of kids?? Why not wait until they are 5,6,7 years old & deciding if they will be productive citizens? Letting parents off the hook with no expectation or suggestion of accepting personal responsibility is another example of lowering the bar. Pathetic.
     
  20. Phoenix21

    Phoenix21 New Member

    invictus, have you ever thought of adoption though? In California, you can drop a baby off at a hospital, and they will take it from there. Just as many "unwanted" children there are (personally, I don't care for that term, because I don't think any child should be labeled or feel "unwanted"), there are just as many, possibly even more parents that want a child, and can't. I don't see where an "accident" justifies killing, but that's just me, and my opinion.

    Phoenix :cool:
     

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