Here's proof that Islam has NOTHING to do with terrorism!

Wasn't that Midas with the pics???

 

BAGHDAD - Four large bombs exploded in mostly Shiite areas of Baghdad on Wednesday, killing at least 178 people and wounding scores


There can only be one religion, Islam and one way to follow it.

 

Like I told ya'll in an earlier post. My close friend just returned from Iraq (Active Duty) and he said there are no regular Baghdad citizens left in the city or for that matter the country. Insurgents, everyone from the neighboring countries. And, with these insurgents come more factions you can shake a stick at. Everyone has an angle or a cause that's anything but religion. They may use Islam as an excuse, but MONEY and CRIME are the roots and that's for sure. Iraq is just a playground for terrorists right now...

 

"but I love that aiden set off the picture spamming"

yeah...aiden set him off...its real easy to do.

 

Your mistaken....

Those aren't terrorists, they are just misunderstood....

You need to embrace them and understand them....






While they figure out a way to kill you.....

 

Terrible dishonest transparent tactic you couldn't fool a 4 year old. As you well know, nobody is saying that terrorism is good or that terrorists are simply misunderstood, or that there are no muslim terrorists... I know I never have said this. I am sure I am wasting my time responding to this as I know you know that this is not being claimed. I will not speak for aiden as aiden is insane. I can only speak for myself when I say that CLEARLY I have only made the argument that a religion is only as terrible as its followers. One can quote all the bad bits from the Koran and ignore the good all day...and midas will...ad nauseum. One can post bad pictures and ignore the good people...But if he HAS read the Koran he will know that he is not depicting the good aspects as well.

Westboro Baptist Church (god hates fag, god hates america) calls itself TRUE christians. Do not bother to tell me all the reasons why they arent, I know. But that doesnt stop them from drawing from all the terrible bits of the bible and saying this is the true way to be a Christian. You can say that the old testament is not valid after the new...thats fine...they will tell you that indeed the ten commandments and all the old testament is the word of god and will quote you passages that say that Jesus never meant to invalidate them. None of that maters because these people call themselves true christians and they have text to back them up that is in every bible in every american church I have ever been in.

Misguided and wrong? Certainly they are...more likely terrible people who use the bible to justify their terrible actions. They are disgusting...as are muslim terrorists and those who propagate such disgusting hatred. True christians? I dont think so...I hope thats not what any god wants.

All I have ever said was:

1. I do not in any way contend there is not a serious problem with islam as it is taught and practiced. Certainly many shepherds in that religion are corrupt and use it to justify the most heinous acts...never have I once denied this...terrorists that chop off heads and blow up babies and typify jews as pigs are disgusting and wrong.

2. I have always contended that there are indeed millions of muslims that are not this way. They stress and live by the good bits of the Koran, of giving and helping your fellow man. They are open to western ideas, they do not wear burkas or look to kill, maim, or force their religion on others...they are simply good people like anyone else who are smart enough to understand and put things in perspective with the modern world and modern day concepts of civil rights.

Not only do I know many like this personally no turbans, no screaming hate. Businessmen and professionals who have gained a healthy balance. Who live a life just like anyone else...in pakistan, in belgium, in america, in england....they would never take up arms or blow themselves up.

These people, common people who DO speak with disgust if you bother to talk to them, about these terrorists as they make life so much more difficult. You can say...why dont they stop this? Well...the ones I know who are there...they have no power, no guns, no rhetoric...they are just family men and women who eek out a living and get by as best they can...the lucky ones removed themselves....soon, sadly...these good people will all have fled from these areas to the west and other places where they can live in peace.

For every terrible muslim extremist photo I can post someone I know who simply isnt this. They ARE muslim, they are mostly pakistani...they are all Ismaili who follow the Aga Khan:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aga_Khan_IV

http://www.akdn.org/agency/akf.html



Aha Khan IV and his wife.

Here are some photos of my Trip to Pakistan to visit my wifes family and family friends...also some from Belgium and america...she has family all over...all are simply business men and professionals...the wives work, etc...



My lovely wife, she works in IT, her brother, english masters...now lives in portland...he likes techno music



The crazy nutty Norine (wifes neice) and her exhausted mother who is a nurse in Belgium, wife and Daughter of Salim who runs a Hotel there...the sunglasses and fingers are mine.



Salim...coolest guy I have ever met...drove me around Europe and England and let us stay in his Hotel, fed us...you name it...



My Wifes aunt in Pakistan and her daughter and grand daughter...they were extremely nice and hospitable



MY wifes uncle, he owns a little taxi cab company...3 wheeled cabs...I have pics...they are real cool with islamic designs painted on them...he let me drive one....real nice guy...



Me and Salim crossing the english Channel.

I wont spam the thread with a bunch more pics but I have huge amounts of them...So many great, nice, kind muslims who mean no harm to anyone...

Anyway...I think people should reconsider about TRUE muslims and realize a religion is how you make it and approach it and without doubt MANY approach it not much differently than modern christians...I will try to go back to holding my tongue in regards to these hate threads as I dont think anything I say will change minds...

 

Drusus,those are very nice photos.You have provided proof that true Muslims aren't like what is depicted on the T.V. news footage from places like Gaza.

Calling me insane is wrong!

Aidan.

 

Yeah, well their holy book as we know tells them that allah wants them to. A "practicing" muslim is a dangerous element for thoughts sooner or later become action. A westernized muslim, well may support with money and demonstrations of terrorist actions but would be friendly as long as they are in the minority.
A laspe muslim is like any other person who was born into a religion but never was really a part of it. Just goes to the weddings a funeral and perhaps a holiday or two without knowing what is really going on.

An english survey of thier muslim population on the terror bombings that happened there was reported to indicate that over 13% supported the bombings. 48 or so percent stated that they "understood" the bombings. Now this was in the open and to an infidel, he korean states that infidels should be tricked which is why the PLO used to make a peace speech in English then that same event make a death to the west and Israel speech in Arabic. I wonder how many of those question suppressed their true feelings and was shocked to see that over 10% were willing to admit in the open that they supported terrorism against christians in a nation where they were still a minority to Christians. Makes you wonder what would happen if they became the majority.

 

Sorry...those are not "true" muslims. They are simply "not muslim enough" muslims who don't do anything about the cancer within their religion. Meanwhile, their contributions to their local mosque funnels its way to support islamic jihad throughout the world. Supposedly, appeasers say there are way more "not muslim enough" muslims over "true" muslims?? So where is the ACTION to rid this cancer within islam?? Why have these people (by their actions and inactions) been consistently AWOL?? Shame on them for NOT doing anything! Maybe...just maybe, they quietly wish for these animals to succeed. How else can you explain their INACTIONS?? [Here come the excuses for their inactions]

Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia is building mosques all over our country where "true" islam is being taught. Sure, these animals will foot the bill for these mosques with the condition that "true" islam is being taught where Jews are referred to as "pigs and animals" (per the Koran)

Also...any peaceful verses in the koran have been abrugated by verses of hate set forth by their pedophile prophet. One in 12 verses in the koran deal with hate. That is nearly 500 verses and "true" muslims are not allowed to criticize the koran...unless they wish to risk punishment (i.e. stoning, beatings, fatawa's)

Sorry...the actions and deeds of "true" muslims speak volumnes over anything from your family photo album.

Here's a thought...when are "not muslim enough" muslims going to take action and rid this cancer? If a fellow Christian or Jew commits a crime in this country for their religion, other Jews and Christians have NO issue locking the animal up.

The surveys support this and worse yet, the ACTIONS and DEEDS of "true" muslims support my assertions.

For every "non-muslim" terrorist action committed in the name of a religion, I can show and document 1,000's of muslim terrorist action committed in the name of allah and the cult religion of islam.

"Allah Akbar" (the religious cry of muslims animals before they KILL)

Only found in the religion of islam...

 

You have no idea what a true muslim is midas...who the hell are you to say what a true ANYTHING is when it comes to how people practice their religion...you are just an idiot lumping good people in with murderers and killers...but like with islam, the insane hate filled crusaders like yourself are so obsessed they scream the loudest and get the most attention because they are so damn obsessed they are more than willing to spend their life vomiting their rhetoric non-stop so they get heard more than the level headed moderates who are driven by such obsessive hate and I just dont have the time or the energy or the will to fill threads like you defending the good and making pleas to see the good ones or correcting you sweeping generalizations and pathetic attempts to dictate your view of the only way a muslim can be. Its all yours. Just know...you have no clue...you are guilty of stereotyping and lumping all islam with the bad, you are no better than them, you spew hate filled diatribes just like them...you are part of the problem. You are not an authority on islam. you do not dictate what is the right way to follow ANY religion...I am sure you do not dictate anything at all...Maybe one day you will learn a better way...I honestly think you are a sick person, I fear your hate as much as a muslim hate…its will get us all killed if enough think like you…god help us all.

Your response will be nothing new, you will be broken record… it will be simple minded garbage not worth reading…just spew another diatribe post some stock muslim extremists photos you got from a website and get on with it.

 

Right now there is no viable way of determining who among the Muslims of the world are infact Jihadists. Those guilty say they are not jihad supporters and blend in with the innocent who in-turn many times simply won't point out the guilty. To embrace all, regardless of intention would eventually prove fatal and only a fool would do so. But, to forsake all is also (some say) suicide for it will create more hate among the forsaken thus creating more jihadists...

It is indeed a difficult position to find oneself and ones nation in.

 

and aiden...I am sorry but look at the obsessive bile midas spews about all muslims...how he doesnt even allow for moderates or reform...how he lumps all muslims as evil and wrong...how he tyrannically dictates the only way a real muslim can be in such a way true extremists muslims would be so proud.

Do you not see yourself in that? Do you not see you do the EXACT SAME THING when it comes to catholics? To be honest at least Midas hates a group that has, without doubt, much more going wrong and much more to critisize. Sure there are problems in that church and sure there are bad people, but there are also very good people as well...I come from a catholic family...no better kinder people ever walked this earth...the church raised my father when his father died and his mother couldnt support him...they DO good...they saved his LIFE. You are filled with an unreasoning hate that, to be honest, makes you sound...insane! Dont just respond to me how they are hellbound etc...etc...we have heard it over and over and over from you...you are frightening in your unbound, unreasoning hatred for all catholics and gays...the only way I can describe how you come off is insane..

I am sorry, you seem like you could be a good person if you would just let it go...

 

Drus, you're trying to appeal to the angels of his better nature...The only problem with that is that he has none. Insanity is not knowing right from wrong. Bigotry is knowing right from wrong but making the conscious choice to act against logic anyway. There is no logic to his statements, no reason that explains his vitriolic language. He isn't as insane as he is insanely bigoted. I just wonder if he is following in the foot steps of one or both of his parents or some other influencial source like a church leader. He doesn't sound capable of coming up with most of this stuff on his own. Curious.

 

Drusus,it isn't the grassroots Roman Catholics that I have a huge problem with,but the hierarchy,who are engaging in deceiving a lot of very gullible people,& the extremists,such as Sinn Fein/I.R.A.,who aren't democrats,but mass murderers.

Sinn Fein/I.R.A. do not believe in democracy at all.What they advocate is the unification of Ulster into Ireland,even by committing mass murder & acts of ethnic cleansing of the Protestant population in the hope of achieving their barbaric aims in the process,& the establishment of Ireland as an Iranian-style theocracy,in which Pope Bentdick's minions control every aspect of the lives of the ordinary people of Ireland.That is extremely scary.

Aidan.

 

Taken from USA today.

ISTANBUL (AP) — Three employees of a publishing house that distributes Bibles were slain Wednesday in the latest attack apparently targeting Turkey's Christian minority.
The attack added to concerns in Europe about whether this predominantly Muslim country — which is bidding for EU membership — could protect its religious minorities. It also underlined concerns about rising Turkish nationalism and hostility toward non-Muslims.

The three victims — a German and two Turkish citizens — were found with their hands and legs bound and their throats slit at the Zirve publishing house in the central city of Malatya.

Police detained four youths, aged 19-20, and also suspect a fifth, who underwent surgery for head injuries sustained apparently in trying to escape by jumping from a window at Zirve, authorities said.

The five suspects had each had been carrying copies of a letter that read "We five are brothers. "We are going to our deaths. We may not return," according to the state-run Anatolia news agency.

 

Sadly, and this one as well...

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21591906-401,00.html

Severed heads delivered to military
From correspondents in the Philippines
April 20, 2007 12:59pm
Article from: Agence France-Presse

Al-Qaeda-linked extremists ordered civilians to deliver the severed heads of seven Christians to military outposts in the southern Philippine island of Jolo, the army said today.

The six road workers and a fisherman were kidnapped in separate incidents on Monday by the Abu Sayyaf extremist group amid a military operation against the Muslim movement.

Yesterday afternoon, the driver of a commuter minibus was flagged down and ordered to deliver a sack containing two heads to a military outpost in Parang town.

A few hours later the other five heads turned up at an outpost in Indanan, said regional military spokesman Major Eugene Batara, after being delivered by local residents in another sack.

 

Gee...your family photos prove that islam is not an hateful religion. There is no need to worry about islamic animals.

Let me give you a PERFECT CURRENT example of how islam is the cancer of the civilized world:

In, January of THIS YEAR (2007), there was an investigative article about a show in British television where undercover "muslims" were sent into mosques during a 12 month period.

What did they find?

Well...among other things, they showed muslim clerics at a number of leading British mosques exhorting followers for freakin' JIHAD! These same clerics commanded these "true" muslims to HIT women if they did not wear their stupid hijab and here is my favorite part...these so-called muslim leaders commanded these "true" muslims to follow islamic law (hate) over British law!

Many of these muslim clerics were praising the Taliban in these British mosques. Now this is in England, could you imagine the pig's crap being spewed in these mosques where muslims dominate the population??

And on and on and on and on all from this so-called "peaceful" religion.

Look..."true" muslims can't help it because they are just followuing life and deeds of their prophet mohammad.

This is evidenced over the last 14 centuries and all of these actions are COMMANDED in their book of hate, the koran.

ACTIONS and DEEDS of these animals. It is all there in the "true" muslim community who follow islam as mohammad intended.

 

How about all of the raping of young hindu girls and mass killings by Pakistan in 1971 in Banladesh by the Pakistan's. That was when East Pakistan declared their independence from west pakistan and pakistan army and milita's decided not only to try to put down the independence movement but kill all non muslims while they were at it. They also rounded up young hindu and christian girls whose families were killed in front of them and raped them repeatly within the military bases and pakistan miltia's households. How many Pakistan's spoke out against that.

"The 1971 Bangladesh atrocities refer to the widespread killings and displacement of civilians in Bangladesh (East Pakistan at the time) and widespread violations of human rights carried out during the Bangladesh War of Independence of 1971 by the Pakistan Army with support from political and religious militias. In Bangladesh, the atrocities are identified as a genocide; however, Pakistan disputes this identification.The actual death toll, motives, extent, and destructive impact of the actions of the Pakistani forces are disputed. Bangladeshi authorities and some independent organisations assert that between 1-3 million people were killed, while another 10 million fled the country to seek safety in India".

 

<Extreme Sarcasim>
You guys don't understand...

Cutting off peoples heads, raping, tourture, suicide bombings, kidnappings, other ways of death those aren't act of terrorisim...

Video taping and airing the above events for all of the word to see

All those those are just acts of freedom and comminication....

They are just trying to express themselfs...

We need to learn to understand them...

</Extreme Sarcasim>

However, if we did any of those things, then there would be a problem and rest assured, the media and certian parties would not let you hear the end of it....

 

If we did those things, we wouldn't be us, we'd be them...Matching brutality for brutality isn't going to alter their behavior but it will alter our behavior. If anyone here wishes to become one of them, I'm sure there is still spots available in their summer training camps.
We are repulsed by there atrocities because their methods are so foreign to any behavior we are used to. You can't be both indignant in regard to their methods and sarcastic that we don't implement the same behavior.
We like our killing more sterile than they do but then again we can afford it. We view and treat these people as animals and then we wonder why they behave as such.
I think that there are fewer people in this country that understand our global impact than there are people in the Middle East that understand their place in the world. That is why you continually here Americans ask, "Why do they hate us?" Most Americans react to events rather than try to understand their causes.