2nd Amendment-Is it time to revisit this right?

Or but only the facts that fit ones argument....

 

You right. I accept the facts that it is to easy to buy a gun. I accept the facts that we have a gun problem in this nation. However, I feel that not everyone has the right to buy a gun. It should be for citizens and gun safety classes should be given as well as complete background checks in every state. I also feel that there should be a three to six month waiting period to allow for people to have a cool off period be it a domestic issue or a manic attack. However, it is also a fact that China has been dumping tons of weapons on the american street which is why it is cheaper to buy handguns on the street for they are knock off's, reproduction copies from China. Etc.. If one is going to look at the gun issue then one should look at the entire picture. The source, which China is part of, is part of the problem.

 

I think you took my last post like I was aiming that at you... I was not...

Forgive my poor quotation/communication skills, it was ment as an add on to your statment... Like a Yea, what he said!!!!

 

Let me add that if you own a gun and start thinking that you can solve some of your problems with it or that your gun is the solution to a dispute with someone else, or that you bring up the fact that you own a gun to intimidate someone else, you might cross that line someday. If you see yourself brandishing your weapon to get out of some imagined situation, you might have a problem. If you spend a lot of time thinking about your gun, you should lock it away before you find a reason to put it to good use, at least in your head.
I personally think that unless you live way out in a rural setting, you own a gun because you have personal insecurities. I had guns when I live way out in the country but never considered taking any of them with me or buying new ones when I moved to more urban areas. I have now lived in urban areas over the past 30 years and never felt the need for a gun to protect my safety and I've lived in Minneapolis, Los Angeles, San Francisco, New Mexico, Leeds England, and many other places with high concentrations of people. I think if cities would ban gun ownership there would be a lot less crimes of passion, gun accidents in the home, and crime in general. If you want to own guns, move to the country, let the police take care of the criminals in the cities. It's not your job.
I think that there are certainly exceptions to the broad statements I've made but if you consider the overall enhanced reduction in gun violence, the few exceptions are really not worth considering. I know there will be a lot of "Well but..." and "What about..." statements and I still think the reduction in violence would be worth it.

 

Your skills are fine my friend, it is I who saw it as it was but posted a defensive statement for there were others who may not have.

Moen, gun control is needed. Perhaps your extreme views on it are needed to help foster a compromise, a compromise our elected representatives should work out.

 

Extreme views on gun control...I like that label.

 

See I said before many of us can agree on atleast some points...

And I I agree with alot of what you said in you last post...

However, I differ a bit in that I think the majority of people who own guns be it handguns or rifles are not gun nuts who just look for a reason to shoot someone or they are on some power trip...

I do feel we should have gun control, make it harder to get guns and way stiffer penilties on people who commit violent crimes with any type of weapon... Be it gun, sword, bow or butter knife...

But, not gun grabbing...

Example, Myself, I am Pro-Second AmendmentI was raised with and around guns all my life...


About the same time that in school we started learning about the Constitution, Bill of rights and Amendments, Specifically, the

Second Amendment – Right to keep and bear arms.
A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, ""the right of the People to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.""

My father started teaching me about guns...

I was taught how to take one apart and clean it, way before I could fire it...

Then I was taught never ever to point my gun ( or a bow) at something I was not willing or wanting to shoot, be it to target shoot, injure or kill...

Do not raise a gun and point it at something, unless you mean to shoot it...


I was then taught how to aim, sight, aquire, fire... Never pull the trigger unless you are sure of your target and what is beside it and behind it...

I was taught to shoot in the dark, rain, snow daytime, sitting standing, laying, etc...

I was taught to target shoot 1st... Once my father and uncles were confident in my knowledge and sense of a firearm and my abilitys to hit what I was aiming at;

I was taught how to hunt, for food and for sport....

We have and do hunt Turkey, Deer, Squirle, Coon, Duck, Rabit, Bear, Boar, etc...

Myself, I still prefer target shooting to hunting... I'm conflicted as I like the thrill of the hunt, but I hate to see that animal shot then I hate to clean them... My father is better at this than I...

To this day, a few close friends and I go to the local gun range on almost a monthly basis, sometime more... We target practice with handguns, Rifles and Shotguns... To me its a great way to relax and enjoy the outdoors either by myself or with a few friends...

I collect firearms much like you guys collect coins... I like their history, I like the mechanics and craftmanship, I like to see how a certian line has advanced over the years, they interest me... I've been buying and collecting firearms for longer than I have been able to drive...

I also, feel better knowing that I have several firearms locked down, but very much accessable to me if someone tried to break into our house... Which has happened twice over the almost 15 years I've lived in my house...

The last time, a guy kicked in our garage door thats connected to the house... We were pretty frightened as we could here him digging around in the garage I guess looking for tools or something to steal... I did't ask... I called 911 and told them we hear someone breaking into our house, please come quick... I have kids.. I live less than a mile from the police station...

Then I heard him trying to open the door leading into the kitchen... So, I grabbed my Glock 21 from the gun safe and a 10 round magazine (with a red tape around it) that I keep with the 1st two rounds loaded with blanks for warning purposes, and a second mag (no red tape) No Blanks, all hollow points... Loaded the one with red tape into the Glock and racked it, Put second mag into my waist band... I told my then Girlfriend to get my shotgun and load it incase something happend to me....


I slowly crept down the steps which go over the garage and he musta heard me comming as he backed off from the door... I stood by the door for a few seconds (seemed like an hour) before I popped it open to look... When I popped it open, turned on the light and pointed the gun at this crack head or whatever and I said What the F@#K are you doing in my garage, he looked at me and then grabbed my old ax off the wall and was headed toward me and the entry into the house....


I thought I was going to bake brownies right in my shorts... Is this for real???

I fired two rounds (both blanks) right next to him at a pile of bags of potting soil and some fertilizer or some crap, (they were blanks so it didn't really matter what I fored at, but i wanted to know where my muzzle was pointed) then as fast as I could I took a step back and slammed the door and locked it...

I backed away from the door about 10 feet into the kitchen and off to the side a bit and hollered get the F, out or the next shots will go into your head!!!

I didn't really want to kill a guy and in my own house, but I didn't want to get killed or have my girlfiend or kid get killed either...

Standing there for several seconds (seemed like 10 or 20) then I heard stuff crash and the outter door move... I was hoping it was the police, but it was him running his @ss off...

I went out though the garage and looked around the house and across the common ground behind our house... I thought I could see him running in the distance, but I was not sure...

So then I went back in the house to check on everyone, who was by the way scared Sh!tless... I relocked the inside garage door and put my guns away...

I called 911 again and asked where the Cops were... They said they had dispatched two units and were on the way... What the H3ll???? How much time had passed??? I coulda, my whole family coulda been dead!!!!

I went inside and drank like a pitcher of tea, trying to calm my nerves...

Finally the police rolled up... Two cars, then two more about a minute later... I saif WTF, took so long???? They said they were sorry and that they could not be everyplace at once....

I told them about the burgular kicking in the garage door and showed them, then I told them when I pull my pistol he ran... I didn't mention me firing the gun and they did not ask, they said, well good for you, it looks like you scared him away for the night... They also said, make sure not to fire on him in the yard or running away, make sure his is in the house... Then they said, We'll make a few laps around the neighborhood and see if we can round him up... And they were off...


I really beleive that had I not had my gun, he would have attacked and maybe killed me, then went after my screaming family...

I've had a few others incidents, where I feel the firearm came in handy, but none like that one...

I realize none of this will make a difference to you and I respect that you have a right to your opionion and for now I have a right to bear arms... Of couse if certain people get their way, we can just draw a line though that one... I wonder what they'll update it to say in its place.... Little bit of whiteout and some red scribble...

 

Thats why I don't own guns anymore. Im a nut!

 

Admitting that you have a problem is the first step Adam...

 

Guns are tools. If anything toy guns that look real should be banned. It is not a play thing, even if used for skeet, target practice,or hunting, but rather a tool that needs training in care and use as well as a sense of responsibility. If a parent wants to purchase a toy gun for their child let them start with a b-b gun or an air rifle and take the time to spend time with them in the use of it, then lock it up. From there they can work their way up the weapon's ladder and I did state weapon for after all that is what guns are weapons, tools of destruction, necessary tools needed for protection as well, that need to be used in a responsible manner.

 

From old "Badlinds" Bill Oglesby ~ All to often we hear what is wrong with this country, in the news, on the airways, in editorials, even in movies and plays. And more often than not, we hear how the gun is responsible for scores of tragedies and losses.

The purpose of this column called "An American Presence" is to inform and promote just what is right with this country, specifically dealing with what the gun has given us and what it has helped us sustain throughout our history. I will write about historical accounts and events, people, places, and the guns involved. Guns are interwoven with American history. Without them there would be no American history.

I will attempt to share with you that American presence that has exerted its influence in the shaping of the world as we know it and the firepower and policies that have made most of the world a safe place. Our greatness stems from our ability to have the firepower and means to challenge injustice and oppression of free people whenever or wherever it may occur.

America became great because she has never been out gunned by any power at any time. Our war of independence was fought over the confiscation of arms and powder, not over taxes as many people believe. The American West was opened by fur trappers, traders and the discovery of gold. Not until the repeating firearm was invented, did the means to protect ones self and family on the frontier exist.

From that point, America has taken the lead and never looked back. The gun has procured and maintained the American Presence. From that Presence has grown the envy of civilization as we know it, the home of the free.

Freedom is expensive, it has and always will be, paid for with the blood of free people. It is easy to understand that the most precious commodity, next to the gift of life, would be costly. For, as with all things of value, there are those who would take it. The means that allowed the birth and longevity of this, the greatest of all places, is the gun. This is a historical fact. Whatever anyone might say to the contrary, all that we have is all that we have won and defended with the gun.

There are those who would have you believe that the Constitution, the gun and a higher power are not really needed. After all these people tell us that everywhere else, there is less crime and violence, that these others have control of the situation, and in reality are friendlier places. Then these same people appropriate billions in defense spending in order to protect us from those other less violent, more friendly people. Doesn't figure does it?

I believe The Constitution of the United States of American was a divinely inspired work. I feel that no group of men on their own could create a document with such forethought and powers of deduction.


From old "President" George Washington ~ "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence, the church, the plow, the prairie wagon and citizen's firearms are indelably related. From the hour that the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security, and happiness, the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable. Every corner of this land has firearms and more than 99.99/100 percent of them, by their silence, indicate they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference....they deserve a place of honor with all that is good. When firearms go, all goes... We will need them every hour."

President George Washington
address to the second session
First United States Congress