U.S. Diplomats Killed in Libya

There is no justification for this attack, but the people who order such actions do not need a justification simply the excuse to whip up hatred. I also can not believe that people are playing pass the political football over this. FOUR AMERICANS DIED stop trying to out do each other as to who is at fault and try for once to present a united front. Those who ordered this must be loving the way your media is reacting

 

So what you are saying is that I am wrong about this country supporting dictators over democracy? Do you ever read history books? Are you content to support foreign dictators with your tax money as long as you can lie to yourself and believe that nonsense about spreading democracy? Sure you are. Well here is a list of dictators we do or did support. How does someone achieve your age without knowing anything? Oh yeah, Fox News.

Africa
MOBUTU SESE SEKO
Dictator of Zaire 1965-1997
MOHAMMED SIAD BARRE
President/Dictator of Somalia 1969-1991
GEN. IBRAHIM BABANGIDA
Military Dictator/President of Nigeria 1985-1993
GEN. SANI ABACHA
Dictator of Nigeria 1993-1998
HASTINGS KAMUZU BANDA
Dictator of Malawi 1966-1994
LAURENT-DÉSIRÉ KABILA
President/Dictator of the Democratic Republic of the Congo 1997-2001
GNASSINGBE ETIENNE EYADEMA
Dictator of Togo 1967-2005
FELIX HOUPHOUET-BOIGNY
Dictator/President of the Ivory Coast 1960-1993
HASSAN II
King of Morocco 1961-1999
TEODORO OBIANG NGUEMA MBASOGO
President/Dictator of Equatorial Guinea 1979-present
ZINE EL ABIDINE BEN ALI
President-Prime Minister/Dictator of Tunisia 1987-2011
ANWAR EL-SADAT
President/Dictator of Egypt 1970-1981
HOSNI MUBARAK
President/Dictator of Egypt 1981-present
IAN SMITH
Prime Minister of Rhodesia (white minority regime) 1965-1979
PIETER WILLEM BOTHA
Prime Minister of South Africa (white minority regime) 1978-1984, President 1984-1989
DANIEL ARAP MOI
President/Dictator of Kenya 1978-2002
HAILE SELASSIE (RAS TAFARI)
Emperor of Ethiopia 1928-1974
WILLIAM J. S. TUBMAN
President/Dictator of Liberia 1944-1971
SAMUEL KANYON DOE
Dictator of Liberia 1980-1990
Asia
MOHAMED SUHARTO
Dictator of Indonesia 1966-1998
NGO DINH DIEM
President/Dictator of South Vietnam 1955-1963
GEN. NGUYEN KHANH
Dictator of South Vietnam 1964-1965
NGUYEN CAO KY
Dictator of South Vietnam 1965-1967
GEN. NGUYEN VAN THIEU
President/Dictator of South Vietnam 1967-1975
TRAN THIEM KHIEM
Prime Minister of South Vietnam 1969-75
BAO DAI
Emperor of Vietnam 1926-1945, chief of state 1949-1955
LEE KUAN YEW
Prime Minister/Dictator of Singapore 1959-1990; behind-the scenes ruler since then.
EMOMALI RAHMONOV
President/Dictator of Tajikistan 1992-present
NURSULTAN NAZARBAYEV
President of Kazakhstan 1990-present
ISLAM A. KARIMOV
President/Dictator of Uzbekistan 1990-present
SAPARMURAD ATAYEVICH NIYAZOV
President/Dictator of Turkmenistan 1990-2006
MARSHAL LUANG PIBUL SONGGRAM
Dictator of Thailand 1948-1957
FIELD MARSHAL THANOM KITTIKACHORN
Prime Minister/Dictator of Thailand 1957-58, 1963-1973
CHIANG KAI-SHEK
President/Dictator (Nationalist) of China 1928-1949
President/Dictator of Taiwan 1949-1975
CHIANG CHING-KUO
President/Dicator of Taiwan 1978-1988; Prime Minister 1972-1978
DENG XIAOPING
De facto ruler of China from circa 1978 to the early 1990s
FERDINAND MARCOS
President/Dictator of the Philippines 1965-1986
SYNGMAN RHEE
President/Dictator of South Korea 1948-1960
GEN. PARK CHUNG HEE
President/Dictator of South Korea 1962-1979
GEN. CHUN DOO HWAN
President/Dictator of South Korea 1980-1988
SIR MUDA HASSANAL BOLKIAH
Sultan of Brunei 1967-present
GEN. LON NOL
Prime Minister/Dictator of Cambodia 1970-1975
POL POT
Dictator of Cambodia 1975-1979
MAJ. GEN. SITIVENI RABUKA
Dictator of Fiji 1987-1999
ASKAR AKAYEV
President of Kyrgyzstan 10/27/1990-2005
Europe
FRANCISCO FRANCO
Dictator of Spain 1939-1975
ANTONIO SALAZAR DE OLIVEIRA
Dictator of Portugal 1928-1968
COL. GEORGIOS PAPADOPOULOS
Prime Minister/President/Dictator of Greece 1967-1973
Latin America
ANASTASIO SOMOZA GARCIA
Dictator of Nicaragua 1937-1947, 1950-1956
ANASTASIO "TACHITO" SOMOZA DEBAYLE
Dictator of Nicaragua 1967-1972, 1974-1979
MANUEL ESTRADA CABRERA
Dictator of Guatemala 1898-1920
GEN. JORGE UBICO CASTANEDA
Dictator of Guatemala 1931-1944
COL. CARLOS ENRIQUE CASTILLO ARMAS
Dictator of Guatemala 1954-1957
GEN. JOSE MIGUEL YDIGORAS FUENTES
President/Dictator of Guatemala 1958-1963
COL. ENRIQUE PERALTA AZURDIA
Military Junta, Guatemala 1963-1966
COL.CARLOS ARANA OSORIO
Dictator of Guatemala 1970-1974
GEN. FERNANDO ROMEO LUCAS GARCIA
Dictator of Guatemala 1978-1982
GEN. JOSE EFRAIN RIOS MONTT
Dictator of Guatemala 1982-1983
MARCO VINICIO CEREZO ARÉVALO
President/Dictator of Guatemala 1986-1991
MAXIMILIANO HERNANDEZ MARTINEZ
Dictator of El Salvador 1931-1944
COL. OSMIN AGUIRRE Y SALINAS
Dictator of El Salvador 1944-1945
CIVILIAN-MILITARY JUNTA, EL SALVADOR
1961-1962
COL. ARTURO ARMANDO MOLINA BARRAZA
Dictator of El Salvador 1972-1977
JUNTA, EL SALVADOR
1979-1982
ALFREDO FÉLIX CRISTIANI BUKARD
President/Dictator of El Salvador 1989-1994
TIBURCIO CARIAS ANDINO
Dictator of Honduras 1932-1948
COL. OSWALDO LOPEZ ARELLANO
Dictator of Honduras 1963-1975
ROBERTO SUAZO CORDOVA
President/Dictator of Honduras 1982-1986
GEN. OMAR HERRERA-TORRIJOS
Dictator of Panama 1969-1981
GEN. MANUEL ANTONIO MORENA NORIEGA
Dictator of Panama 1982-1989
AUGUSTO PINOCHET UGARTE
Dictator of Chile 1973-1990
GEN. JORGE RAFAEL VIDELA
Dictator of Argentina 1976-1981
COL. MARCOS PEREZ JIMENEZ
Dictator of Venezuela 1950-1958
GEN. ALFREDO STROESSNER
Dictator of Paraguay 1954-1989
ALBERTO FUJIMORI
Dictator of Peru 1990-2000
FRANCOIS "PAPA DOC" DUVALIER
Dictator of Haiti 1957-1971
JEAN-CLAUDE "BABY DOC" DUVALIER
Dictator of Haiti 1971-1986
MILITARY JUNTA / LT. GEN. RAOUL CEDRAS, GEN. PHILIPPE BIAMBY and LT. COL. MICHEL-JOSEPH FRANCO
Haiti 1991-1994
GEN. RENE BARRIENTOS ORTUNO
President/Dictator of Bolivia 1964-1969
GEN. HUGO BANZER SUAREZ
Dictator of Bolivia 1971-1978
DR. GETULIO VARGAS
Dictator of Brazil 1930-1945, 1951-1954
GEN. HUMBERTO DE ALENCAR CASTELLO BRANCO
Dictator of Brazil 1964-1967
CARLOS PRIO SOCARRAS
Dictator of Cuba 1948-1952
FULGENCIO BATISTA
Dictator of Cuba 1933-44, 1952-1959
GERARDO MACHADO MORALES
Dictator of Cuba 1925-1933
RAFAEL LEONIDAS TRUJILLO
Dictator of the Dominican Republic 1930-1961
Middle East
MOHAMMED REZA PAHLAVI
Shah of Iran 1941-1979
SADDAM HUSSEIN
Dictator of Iraq 1969 (1979)-2003
GEN. MOHAMMED AYUB KHAN
President/Dictator of Pakistan 1958-1969
GEN. AGHA MUHAMMAD YAHYA KHAN
President/Dictator of Pakistan 1969-1971
GEN. MOHAMMAD ZIA UL-HAQ
President/Dictator of Pakistan 1977-1988
PERVEZ MUSHARRAF
Dictator of Pakistan 1999-2008
ABDUL IBN HUSSEIN I
King of Jordan 1952-1999
TURGUT ÖZAL
Prime Minister of Turkey 1983-1989, President 1989-1993
SHEIK JABIR AL-AHMAD AL SABAH
Emir of Kuwait 1977-2006
Prime Minister of Kuwait 1962-1963, 1965-1978
FAHD IBN ABDUL-AZIZ AL SAUD
King and Prime Minister of Saudi Arabia 1982-2005

 

You dummy. I never said I supported dIctators. You're just trying to gin up something like you always do. The blogger never said anything about supporting dictators either. Just once I wish you'd take off your liberal blinders before responding to a topic where the adults on this forum are attempting to have a valid discussion.

 

All this feigned outrage over Romneys remarks is kind of funny actually. Does anybody remember the Gabby Giffords shooting? The lefties were on tv and radio within minutes blaming Fox News and talk radio. Obama has also used troops deaths as a political stick in the eye, but thats ok with the lefties because they really have zero values and styandards, their standards are on a sliding scale as to what benefits the party or the point they are currently trying to spin .

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/barack-obama-used-troop-deaths-to-ding-bush-mccai

 

Yep! A warning! " Sen. Paul expressed outrage that Egypt warned the U.S. embassy of the impending attack"

 

I said....

You said...

This is your "adult valid discussion"????

Obviously, if you read the blog you posted, the guy is blaming Obama for pushing democracy in the middle east and faulting Obama for the turmoil that process entails. The only other option is to return to the dictators that kept these people in line with an iron fist as long as we get what we want. Really, learn to comprehend what you are pretending to read.

 

There is no public record of President Barack Obama attending his daily intelligence briefing- (PDB)--in the week leading up to the attacks on the U.S. embassy in Cairo. The last time Mr. Obama attending his daily intelligence briefing was September 5th.
According to the Government Accountability Institute, Mr. Obama has only attended 43.8 percent of his Presidential Daily Briefs in the first 1,225 days of his Administration.

You would think if there was one week to show up for PDB’s it would be the week before 9-11. To miss a tee time or a fundraiser or a chance to hangout with Jay-z and Beyonce, not a chance.

 

Nice try jth but no cigar.

I didn't call you a name. Just asked if I should.

If I wanted to call people here names they'd know it and, yes, you would probably be one of them.

Typical liberal.

That's funny.

 

That people, as a group, go on a murderous rampage whenever they believe their religion is being "discussed in an inappropriate manner" somewhere, is horrible.

 

Foreign policy neophyte Obama really screwed this one up. Had he been an employee of the State Department he probably would have been fired over making a remark like this:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/13/state-department-corrects-obama-says-egypt-is-ally/

 

Makes way too much sense De Orc.

It's not just the media. It's those that blindly follow it.

 

Here is another - from a liberal news;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-before.html?ITO=socialnet-twitter-mailonline

Get you nose out of those blogs and you might learn some facts!

 

You say " competent leader like Obama who handled this situation with grace and style". Please tell me which of these qualify as competent or with grace?

He snubs the Israeli leader.
He did not prepare for problems on 9/11 in the Middle East.
He ignores Libya's warning of impending trouble.
He misses his security briefings - to attend a fund raiser!
He approved the Egyptian embassy tweet before he renounced it and agreed with Romney.
He spends more time denouncing the film than the attacks on the US.
He says Egypt in not out ally.
He totally ignores the problems in Egypt in his speeches.
etc. ...........................

As for his style? Yep, he has one.

 

Why can't you bring yourself to even comment on Romney's condemning our president while we were under attack overseas? You are so partisan that you are Un-American. You don't criticize a president of this country for political purposes while we are under attack PERIOD!!! Romney is an IDIOT and so are you for supporting him. Now go sit in a corner.

 

This is what Glenn Beck had to say. I realize the liberals here will want to shoot the messenger before listening to the message, but they really should listen to both sides before making judgment.

If you were reading the news yesterday, you would have thought the worst thing going on in the world involved Mitt Romney criticizing the administration’s response to the ongoing attacks on embassies in the Middle East.

Yesterday, before the Cairo embassy was breached, the organization issued the statement:

The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others.​

After the Libya embassy was attacked, they tweeted that they still stood by their statement.

Soon after, Romney condemned the statement that was issued by the embassy, issuing a statement that read:

“I’m outraged by the attacks on American diplomatic missions in Libya and Egypt and by the death of an American consulate worker in Benghazi. It’s disgraceful that the Obama administration’s first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks.”​

Almost instantly the media attacked Romney as being “irresponsible” and “ham-handed”. Reporters claimed that the White House has sufficiently denounced the attacks on the embassies and distanced themselves for the controversial statement from the Cairo organization. Furthermore, they accused Romney of trying to politicize the attacks.

But rather than cave to the attacks, Romney stood his ground.

“The president takes responsibility not just for the words that come from his mouth but also from the words that come from his ambassadors, from his administration, from his embassies, from his State Department. They clearly sent mixed messages to the world,” Romney said.

The mixed signals Romney referred to were the conflicting messages coming from the Cairo embassy condemning the controversial film which is said to have ignited the protests, and the statement issued by the White House distancing themselves from the Cairo’s embassy’s statement.

“We express immediately when we feel that the president and his administration have done something which is inconsistent with the principles of America. Simply put, having an embassy which is — has been breached and has protesters on its grounds, having violated the sovereignty of the United States — having that embassy reiterate a statement effectively apologizing for the right of free speech is not the right course for an administration,” Romney added.

For a full timeline of the events surrounding the controversy, click here.

On radio, Glenn could not believe the attacks being made by Romney by the media following the statement.
“Let me show you what happened after, I believe it was nine U.S. soldiers were killed while the president (Obama) was running for President of the United States and he came out and he said this:

John McCain who supported the war from the start said we’d be greeted as liberators has really focused on the tactical issues in Iraq and the surge has no doubt reduced violence and I think all Americans are thrilled by that. But what George Bush and John McCain have missed consistently from the start of this process is the broader strategy. You know, was it a wise thing to go in there and what are the costs and benefits of staying there indefinitely. We’re spending $10 billion a month there. We’ve spent $200 billion since the surge began. Meanwhile the situation where ‑‑ where the central front against terrorism should be taking place in Afghanistan, the situation has deteriorated and we have this brazen attack on a U.S. base where nine servicemen were killed. ​

Obama pretty blatantly had no issue using a tragedy where nine servicemen were killed to score political points for his own campaign. But he sure doesn’t like it when someone does the same to him.

“There is no time, there is no time like during a campaign when you should hear the differing opinions on the issues that affect not only the country but us as individuals and the entire globe. What, Mitt Romney should shut his mouth? No. Mitt Romney should say exactly what he believes and carve out the exact differences between the two. Because you have a choice, America. You have a choice,” Glenn explained.

“The media is somehow or another making Mitt Romney the bad guy in this. Somehow or another Mitt Romney should keep his opinion to himself. It’s a presidential election. We should absolutely hear what Mitt Romney has to say,” Glenn added.

 

You need to leave those blogs and actually get some news! Seriously!!!!

He snubs the Israeli leader. (nothing to do with this situation) It is in the MideastHe did not prepare for problems on 9/11 in the Middle East. (how do you know he didn't?) With 4 unarmed marines at Benghazi, you would be better off arguing that he did not prepare than with that preparationHe ignores Libya's warning of impending trouble. (There was NO warning) Actually read post #72He misses his security briefings - to attend a fund raiser! (Nothing to do with this situation again) Oh! But it has a lot to do with his responsesHe approved the Egyptian embassy tweet before he renounced it and agreed with Romney. (A total BS lie. Prove this!) I will let you do your own legwork on this one.He spends more time denouncing the film than the attacks on the US.
He says Egypt in not out ally. ( Again, A total BS lie by ALL accounts) OOPS

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...to-nuance-obamas-remarks-on-egypt?ft=1&f=1016
He totally ignores the problems in Egypt in his speeches. (Again, nothing to do with THIS situation) I will let you think about this

 

Please give us your opinion on what the president himself should do when there is a deadly attack on American soil. Perhaps hold a campaign fundraiser in Las Vegas?

Empty Chair: Middle East in turmoil, Obama heads to Vegas for fundraiser
As the press circles the wagons to fight off Mitt Romney’s criticism of President Obama’s disastrous foreign policy, the President himself is headed to Las Vegas for a little campaign fundraising.
from CNS:

On the day after the U.S. Ambassador to Libya and three other Americans were killed in Benghazi, the White House on Wednesday morning released a schedule showing that President Obama would continue with his planned campaign trip to Las Vegas.​

Before he leaves, the schedule indicated, Obama will “deliver a statement” in the White House Rose Garden at 10:35 a.m., the White House said.​

read the rest
President Obama did eventually condemn the attacks on our embassy and consulate. But he took time to condemn Mitt Romney before he condemned the terrorists who murdered four Americans in Libya.
Meanwhile, the Middle East continues to boil over, and more American lives are at stake.
Protests are spreading to Sudan:

Hundreds of protesters upset over a movie mocking Islam demonstrated outside the American embassy in Sudan on Wednesday, an embassy official said, after attacks on US missions in Libya and Egypt.​

And Secretary of State Hillary Clinton seems baffled by the entire situation.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton admitted this morning that the attack on the U.S. embassy in Libya was “not easy” for Americans.​

“Today many Americans are asking, indeed I asked myself, ‘How could this happen? How could this happen in a country we helped liberate? In a city we helped save from destruction?’” Clinton asked. ​

Clinton explained that this question “reflects how confounding the world can be” and reminded Americans to be “clear-eyed in their grief.”​

A President who campaigns instead of leading, a Secretery of State who admits she doesn’t understand the situation, yet the press attacks the only sensible voice in the entire situation, Obama’s opponent, Mitt Romney.

http://poorrichardsnews.com/post/31405387885/empty-chair-middle-east-in-turmoil-obama-heads-to
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BO is just in over his head, that's all there is to it.
He relys on the "experience" of Joe Biden & Hilary Clinton to deal with international issues? C'mon. You can't conduct foreign policy of the basis of obvious fear.
He's an idiot, his crew is a bunch of idiots and those who still support him despite the overwhelming record of failures both home & abroad are idiots.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...story-of-us-envoys-assassination-8135797.html

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is responsible for the “security policies and programs that provide for the protection of all US government personnel … on official duty abroad.”
Clinton herself seemed bewildered by the attacks on the Libyan consulate, asking, “How could this happen in a country we helped liberate, in a city we helped save from destruction?”
But according to the Independent, she had no reason to be puzzled. Quoting senior diplomatic sources, the paper reports, “the US State Department had credible information 48 hours before mobs charged the consulate in Benghazi, and the embassy in Cairo, that American missions may be targeted.” Nonetheless, “no warnings were given for diplomats to go on high alert and ‘lockdown,’ under which movement is severely restricted.”
Why wasn’t there better protection at the consulate? The State Department posted no Marines to the consulate. It was staffed instead by those Libyan “security” forces. The consulate also had “no bulletproof glass, reinforced doors or other features common to embassies.”

 

There you go, Teddy. Another source attesting to the warnings you deny.