Jose Rodriguez Deserves an Award

...for being the most stupid among a flock of most stupids.


Jose Rodriguez, ex-CIA officer and coward.

Rodriguez, the ex-CIA officer responsible for ordering the destruction of videos of the interrogations of two al Qaeda members, recounts his reasonings in his soon to be released book.

What were his reasonings? Let's take a look at some quotes from the article:

Ohhhhh, so to protect American lives, the video evidence of torture had to be destroyed. Uhhhm... I guess you could say it protected some American lives... like Jr.'s, or Cheney's, or Rumsfeld's, or Rodriguez's... those people certainly benefited from the destruction of the videos... and all those lawsuits.

True, and to be fair, soldiers in the field would face even more angry muslims as a result of the videos becoming public, but to say the video's destruction protected American lives is an overstatement. What it did is protect the administration, as well as the agency, from potential lawsuits. 'Truth be damned! We'd rather this not be released since it makes us look bad,' was the idea. Now, instead of the actual facts they can create whatever "facts" suits them. Cowards!

Rodriguez said. I cannot tell him how disgusted I am at him having agents video tape themselves torturing people, only to destroy the tapes later. Not forgetting he personally ignored the order from the White House to refrain from destroying those tapes.

I seem to recall another republican doing something not too dissimilar a few decades earlier...

Yeah, I guess you could describe video of agents torturing people as "ugly visuals."

Got proof of that, bub? No? Then that's just more straight-out bs from a coward with low moral standards.

Hey, if he hadn't destroyed the videos he may have been able to prove it right?

Full article at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/24/jose-rodriguez-cia-hard-measures-book_n_1450416.html as well as similar stories on many other sites.

 

The only reason we need people like Rodriguez on that wall is as an example of the kind of people that we shouldn't let up on that wall.

 

To be fair, torture did produce results, one of which was the name of a man, who years later made a phone call that was used to find Bin Laden.

My argument against such torture is two-fold: First off, torture has been deemed inhumane by many authorities in America over the years. Secondly, traditional wire-tapping or phone-hacking found Bin Laden, and that alone could have occurred without the use of torture.

 

Even our forefathers knew the answer to this situation.
Those who would give up Essential Liberty
to purchase a little Temporary Safety,
deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

 

Here's what the good George had to say about it. I doubt you'll find this in any RW history book.

“Should any American soldier be so base and infamous as to injure any [prisoner]. . . I do most earnestly enjoin you to bring him to such severe and exemplary punishment as the enormity of the crime may require. Should it extend to death itself, it will not be disproportional to its guilt at such a time and in such a cause… for by such conduct they bring shame, disgrace and ruin to themselves and their country.”- George Washington, charge to the Northern Expeditionary Force, Sept. 14, 1775​

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"...they bring shame, disgrace and ruin to themselves and their country.". Almost true President Washington. All except for the part about their bringing ruin to themselves. Just the opposite it seems. And then there's this..​

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“Treat them with humanity, and let them have no reason to complain of our copying the brutal example of the British Army in their treatment of our unfortunate brethren who have fallen into their hands"​

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Torture? What torture?

 

Torture, please. Torture was what the communist soviet leftist did during the czechoslovakia uprising 1968.
1. They took a line of suspects.
2. They had them remove their undergarments.
3. They had a beautiful naked women come into the room.
4. The men become aroused.
5. The soviets then picked one unfortunate soul and inserted a glass rod into his manhood.
6. They then hit his manhood with a mallet.
7. They then removed the female.
8. The man was no longer aroused and the broken glass did its work.
9. They could care less about that man, the goal was to make the others talk after seeing that and knowing they are in the same line. It is said that it was very effective.

 

I could care less about the temporary discomfort of our enemies, especially if it saves an American life.

 

Before he was killed at Obama's order I wonder if Bin Laden had the satisfaction of knowing that in least in one respect he'd won. Knowing that in the years since 9/11 we have become pretty much like them.

 

lol ....if only those who believe the techniques used aren't torture experienced it for themselves, maybe they'd have a clue... lol

 

If any of you want, I can probably provide that service for you. For a fee, I will "interrogate" you using the same techniques used on those two people. Be warned, the techniques are such that an older person would probably not survive long, and the experience will take several years to complete.

It is quite expensive, and I require full payment up front, as well as a release from all liability, before any actual "technique" can be begun on you. Of course, I'll need to see if it's legal to do in the U.S., and research isn't cheap, as such I'll also require a non-refundable downpayment of $1,000,000 before I can proceed.

Wouldn't that be swell?

 

Dunno but seems to me if someone engages in certain activities with the intent of murdering millions of innocent people it shouldn't come as a surprise when their potential targets dip them in water or beat the tar out of 'em.

 

I'm assuming you mean terrorists and not governments.

Now, do you believe you yourself should not be put under such a punishment, should a foreign government capture you? I'm assuming that a foreign government considers you a terrorist, whether the description is accurate or not isn't important to them. Would you say it's fair for them to treat you in the same manner? That is what you are implying after all, that's it's fair.

 

That's the thing. In the eyes of others rightly or wrongly we can be seen as the terrorists. What our torturers don't get is that once we've adopted a certain approach in dealing with people that we've decided we need to conquer or suppress we have forfeited the moral right to protest when they use the same approach against us.

 

Yep. Torture is the answer for sure. Nothing like lowering yourself to the level of those you call animals.

I remember when the subject of waterboarding came up. Considered a torture but so many said it wasn't. Why was that? Why didn't someone just man up and say we're using torture tactics to gain information?

I can think of two reasons. As a country we don't do that and apparently it wasn't very effective.

The right was all over it saying it wasn't torture. Certainly not as extreme as Andy's example but is that what this country is about?

We should torture people now? How will that benefit us? Think maybe the "animals" that do this would come up with even better methods?

Hell, we could convert a lot of Muslims if we just put them on the rack for a few days. Stinkin' Jews too for that matter.

When the waterboard argument was going on I saw a lot of righties saying they'd subject themselves to it to prove it was not torture. Sean Hannity was the biggest weasel nut that said that but certainly did NOT go through it.

I know of ONE that did.
Mancow Mueller (sp?). He was a shock jock turned political in the Chicago area. Big time Tea Party. Don't like the guy but I RESPECT him.

Why do I respect him? He put his money where his mouth was of course.

Said he'd do it and did. Figured he could last a while. He didn't. He admitted it and said it was DEFINITELY torture.

Yep torture is the answer. They do it then we do it. They do it worse then we do it worse.

That could save more American lives. OR it could lead to more torture before the video of the execution hits the net.

Hmmmm......

 

Well for me this is a difficult one as I can remember the uproar in the US because we (Brits) made IRA suspects stand against a wall with hoods on and used white noise/sleep deprivation to try to gain info and stop the bombings/murders/kneecappings (And before any one says anything the IRA used torture against us and on it's own people) The complaints came not only from the left in the US but also from the Right

 

That well known Commie pinko John McCain seems pretty sure that torture had nothing to do with finding Bin Laden. Then again, he doesn't understand how enhanced interrogation works, and why would any right-thinking American pay him the slightest attention, anyway?

 

Not that you'll answer this but do you feel the same way when our soldiers are tortured? Is it really just temporary discomfort to them also? Will you be volunteering to be the one that is tortured or will you leave that to those that are actually physically capable of defending this country? All good questions you should really think about.

 

And in the case of the torture contingent, somewhat hypothetical questions since by supporting torture they can hardly protest when the very methods they endorse are used against us. What the torture-lovers think about Americans being tortured by the people Americans torture is academic since they have no standing to comment on the issue. But still really interesting. I would like to hear what they have to say too.

 

If I were a terrorist, plotting to kill millions of innocent citizens, I don't think I would be surprised if the targets of my plot took violent action against me.
...and I don't believe for a minute that our use of waterboarding (or whatever other measures we take) has made our enemies any more violent towards us. How could they be anymore violent. Would you rather be waterboarded by the US or beheaded by al queda? Mancow survived the waterboarding but I doubt he would have survived having his head chopped off! If you'll remember, it was KSM who beheaded Daniel Pearl on tv so I really don't care how badly we treated him once he was captured.