And Then There Was Willard Mitt Romney

Photoshop is the greatest thing to hit the RW since they learned how to hack Diebolds. If you want Obama to be a Muslim, bingo he's all dressed up like one. You want him pictured outside a mosque? Just name the mosque and there he is. It would be all good fun except that I think a lot of them think that these are real or they do a version of the old Catholic progression. They could be real, it would fit our narrative if they were real, we feel like they are real, so they must be real.

 

You're right, it really does say something about a republican's basic nature ...their denial of a reality they don't like in favor of an unreal one they do. They need to learn to keep their fantasies from affecting the real world though, they need to stop trying to make the real world as unreal as their fantasies. Maybe we should smack 'em... you know, to make them aware of reality.

 

It more or less comes down to a belief and anything that might support that belief while ignoring everything that disproves the belief. Whether it is a phony doctored up picture or a Breitbart-style (Satan save his soul) video edited to say something completely different than reality, that is all they need as proof because it is the ideology that is key. Facts are just inconvenient annoyances to them. Those that are easily fooled are ripe for the pickin' and the RW has a bumper crop.

 

So your plan is to go with the guy who lost to the guy who lost to Obama?

 

Yes, I believe you have David.

I have stated I would vote for a Republican if they'd put one up that was worth a damn.
They haven't and Romney isn't.

Actually a good point OKC and I honestly feel it is a point that is hurting Republicans more than helping them.

The "I'm a good Christian" proclamation has grown old and I would surmise it has even, to some extent, become old to Christian Republican voters.

We're talking about politicians after all. A wolf can only hide in sheep's clothing for so long before people see through it.

 

I think you guys have got it right. The ideology determines what is real. The truth is what is in line with the narrative. If something is not in line with the narrative then it is by definition not true. Andy's picture of Obama in what I guess you'd call Muslim dress is a "true" depiction as far as t they are concerned because it is an accurate reflection of the narrative. It's reality or lack thereof in terms of whether Obama ever actually appeared that way or whether such a photograph was ever actually taken is irrelevant and has no bearing on the truth or the proof the doctored photo presents.

 

But, does it get old to Democratic and, especially, atheist or non-Christian voters? That's the question. Frankly, I'm sick of Obama constantly claiming that he's a Christian. As I said before, I couldn't care less. He has said over and over and over and over again that he's a Christian. He doesn't have to drill it into peoples' heads. Enough is enough already:

http://www.christianpost.com/news/o...h-of-christ-at-easter-prayer-breakfast-72647/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/23/president-obama-faith-pastors_n_1297827.html

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/special/obama.html

http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/is-obama-a-true-christian/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_religion_conspiracy_theories

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/...ma-ties-economic-message-to-christian-values/

http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2012/02/obamas_christian_beliefs_refle.html

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/r/15101761/detail.html

http://publicreligion.org/2012/02/president-obama-presents-christian-message-of-economic-fairness/

 

What do you mean that it was photo shopped. The next thing you know you will be telling me is that the liberal news media makes up news.

 

No mention in that of Obama saying that he's Christian. Do you object to the president attending a prayer breakfast? Did it bother you when President Bush attended prayer breakfasts?

No mention in that of Obama saying that he's Christian. Do you think that Christians who support the president should keep quiet about it?

Finally, a relevant link, kind of. Seeing as this Christianity Today page has stories about Obama going back to his time in the US Senate, it would be hard not to have something about Obama affirming his Christian faith.

Bizarre. This is a link to the right-wing newsaganda site World Net Daily which is all about people questioning President Obama's Christianity. Sure it mentions that Obama has in the past affirmed that he is a Christian, but that's not what the story is about.

So far you're one out of four, which, while it's above the Mendoza line in baseball, in veracity it's rather abysmal.

A Wikipedia page about all the nuts and clowns who think President Obama is a Muslim? Really? How is that an instance of the President proclaiming his Christian faith? This is simply pathetic.

Alright, the first genuinely apposite link. President Obama attends a prayer breakfast, and we have a quote in which he mentions his Christian faith. Shameful pandering, I agree. We get it already!!!1!

Well this one is about the same damn prayer breakfast as the last one; that damn liberal media helping out the President!!1! BUT it has a bonus. It lists FIVE SEPARATE TIMES in which the President has spoken about Christian values: Four prayer breakfasts and a Christmas tree lighting ceremony. OK, true, in none of them is he specifically saying "I am a Christian," but still, will the man never shut up about Christianity?

Ah, here's the genuine article. Candidate Obama addresses suspicions that he is a Muslim, and specifically says that he is a Christian. From a strict truthfulness perspective, this is the first and only link so far to a statement in which Obama said "I am a Christian." I had hoped for better, but I am learning to lower my expectations here at Partisan Lines.

Another damn story about that same damn prayer breakfast that was the basis of the two stories linked before the "candidate" story. Damn liberal media!!1! Yes, at this prayer breakfast President Obama mentions his Christian faith. What gall!

Really, you seem to have been desperate to pad out your list. Three of the last four stories were about the same damn prayer breakfast this past February. I'm not particularly enamored of religion mixing with politics, to put it mildly, but this was rather a poor showing on your part, CoinOKC, it seems to me. It comes down to the President attending prayer breakfasts and speaking about Christianity, and the one story about the campaign in which Obama addressed rumors that he was a Muslim. Given the number of times that any president in the last 30 years or so has attended prayer breakfasts and mentioned Christianity, I think that your focus on President Obama speaking at prayer breakfasts may be a little obsessive. It's really part of the job of President of the United States, and as much as I think it shouldn't be, I don't think that Obama is any worse in that respect than any other recent president, especially the last.

 

Apparently he does have to try to drill it into people's heads because so many of the RW rank-and-file have convinced themselves that he's not a Christian, he's a Muslim. And in the the RW rank-and-file mind, such as it is, being a Muslim is the same thing as being a terrorist and RWers who know better are happy to portray Obama that way. That is when they are not calling him variously a Socialist, a Fascist, a Stalinist, a Communist, a Racist, an America-hater, and a controller of gas prices among other things. Enough is enough already. Why is it that the RW gets so annoyed when the people they attack fight back?

 

From the articles I referenced:

BARACK OBAMA: "We are here today to celebrate that glorious overcoming, the sacrifice of a risen savior who died so that we might live". (Nothing Christian about that).

BARACK OBAMA: "I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ".

BARACK OBAMA: “It was there – at the Trinity United Church of Christ on the South Side of Chicago – that I met Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., who took me on another journey and introduced me to a man named Jesus Christ".

BARACK OBAMA: I'm a Christian by choice. My family didn't – frankly, they weren't folks who went to church every week. And my mother was one of the most spiritual people I knew, but she didn't raise me in the church. So I came to my Christian faith later in life, and it was because the precepts of Jesus Christ spoke to me... (wikipedia).

BARACK OBAMA: “For me as a Christian, it also coincides with Jesus’s teaching that ‘for unto to whom much is given, much shall be required".

BARACK OBAMA: "I wanted to host this breakfast for a simple reason -- because as busy as we are, as many tasks as pile up, during this season, we are reminded that there's something about the resurrection -- something about the resurrection of our savior, Jesus Christ, that puts everything else in perspective".

Then there's this:



The Religious Left eats this stuff up. Also, of course, you have liberals on this very forum exclaiming Obama is a Christian. It seems like every time you turn around, Obama is claiming he's a Christian. Or some pundit, blogger or talking head is claiming the same. OK, we get it - Obama is a Christian. Good for him. Now move on.

 

It is funny that the guy continually being accused of being a Muslim by the Right-wingers is also being accused of saying that he is a Christian too much by the same people. Hum?

Maybe Obama shouldn't deny their false accusation and never mention his faith even when they lie about it. I guess that would make them happy. I can see why Right-wingers really hate to have their lies challenged. It is so inconvenient and all.

 

Isn't it funny how the lefties here mock religion yet proudly proclaim BO is a Christain? They mock religious holidays yet there's BO presiding over the nation's Easter celebration and asking for God's help.

 

I'd have to say I'm with CoinOKC on this one for the most part.
I couldn't care less what one's religious upbringing is.

However, it really does seem to matter a LOT to many and a great number of those are from the right.

So why does President Obama declare he's a Christan?
It's simple. Muslim hysteria. All Muslims bad and many have called him a Muslim so he defends himself.

Is he a Christian? I don't know or care but I doubt he's a Muslim. Let's face it, to many Americans being a Muslim makes you bad. A potential terrorist, a hater of Ameerica so you try to use that against a President you don't like.

A silly game played by silly people. Hell, if you get down to it those that spread such garbage are probably LESS Christian than Obama. Their actions are a good indication to me but that's just my opinion. I'm just a guy that was brought up to believe that religious freedom was one of the greatest things about our country.

Well, I have to admit I've been disappointed for some time now. The injection of religion into politics is certainly not a new thing but it has taken on an ugly demeanor.
Seems religious freedom is alive but ONLY if you're a Christian to a hell of a lot of people.

One is free to choose how one worships a Christian God but don't even think about questioning His existence or exploring other beliefs. Dare to do so an you are labled! Being labled as a non Christian is not a good thing these days.

How about a hypothetical situation here? David is my subject.
Nothing personal here David. You are, by your own accord, a devout Catholic and I believe you. Good for you and your family I say. Some of my best friends are Catholic.

So here's the situation. Let's say David is up for a promotion at work. He's dedicated, works hard and is a good Christian.
Mr. X is also up for that promotion. He's dedicated, works hard and is a good Christian that hates to lose. He knows a lot of people and his co workers like him.

So let's say that one day Mr. X starts a little rumor. "I heard David went to a mosque the other day. Seems he's a bit interested in learning about the Muslim faith so he can compare it to Christianity."
Rumors spread and get twisted don't they?
In a month a few guys are eating lunch when one says "I heard David is converting. He's adopted the Muslim faith, I used to like him but have to wonder now. Heard his wife is leaving him because of it."

So what should David do now? Should he just let the rumor fly and get worse or should he stand up for himself and his faith? That would be up to David now wouldn't it.

Finally. Mocking religion. I am guilty as charged. Label me after you hear me out.

Religion is easy to mock and frankly NEEDS to be mocked. I have no problem with people and their various faiths.
However, one doesn't have to look too hard to see just how much death and destruction religion has caused throughout history.
All because of a few books, interpretations of same and the lust for power.
How many millions have died because of religion?

I shall continue to mock religion.

 

Nice picture. But I could tell it was a fake for the American flag was not upside down in the distress position.

 

And how was middle school today, Andy? Did you remember to check for Muslims under your bed when you got home?

 

No problem, get your buddies in the right-wing to stop questioning his religious beliefs and he'll have no reason to defend it. This is on them.

 

We hear that from time to time stick around long enough and you'll hear it from someone else lol

Well done by the way

 

Sooooo, are you saying that when someone like you or Andy posts a photo-shopped image of Obama, portraying him as a muslim say, everyone should just clap their hands together and marvel at your ingenuity ...and not use the word "christian" in reference to Obama ever again?

I mean, the photo-shopped pics are interesting yes, but to me they say more about the posters insecurities than Obama.

Oh... and apparently Obama is a christian.

 

Actually, I'd mock Obama presiding over the nation's easter celebration... if I had any interest in it.

If it bothers you that religion is mocked on this site, why don't you just ignore it and save yourself the aggravation. Nahhhh! ...lol... What was I thinking?!! LOL