Just Another Second Amendment Solution

That long cut and paste from yet another agenda-driven site does not refute the facts which I presented. So Hitler abolished genuine trade unions, imprisoning and killing their leaders, and then created a Nazi puppet "union." That is evidence of what, exactly?

Stick and stones. I don't give a damn what you call me; I've been called right wing by those on the left, and left wing by those on the right. In fact my position is not based on affiliation with party or ideology, and varies from topic to topic. On gun control, I would be considered a right-wing nut. On health care, I would be considered a socialist. I don't care; both of the epithets are correct, as far as I'm concerned, but as I said in my intro, while generally despising both left and right, I do tend to dislike the policies of the right more often than I do those of the left. I'm up front about that.

 

Oh mercy! You appear to have your head stuck so far in the clouds you can't recognize a jibe when you see one. Lighten up a little bit, loosen your tie and relax.

Hitler said in Mein Kampf, "... trade unions are necessary as foundation stones of the future economic parliament or chambers of estates”. Take that any way you want, buy I'll take it as him saying what he meant. He did, after all, have a pretty good track record of following through on things he said. If he didn't like trade unions, why didn't he just say so?

 

Again, using Hitler as your source doesn't really lend your side of the argument any credibility. The words of a mad man mean exactly squat especially when you compare those words to his actual behaviors and actions they make absolutely no sense whatsoever....Hence the mad man moniker.
I know Glenn Beck used your technique quite a bit but where is he now? Another mad man in the dust bin of history that used another mad man's incoherent rambles as proof that his fear mongering really was the truth.
Hitler was a fascist, global warming is real, and even Republicans know that their base are a bunch of racist a-holes. All truths that you can't seem to allow yourself to hear.

 

Hoo boy! The forum's resident liberal chimes in. Please spare us your anecdotal observations and Olbermann-ish "theories". If you ever have anything interesting to say, please preface it with, "This is very unusual for me to say something like this folks, but...". Perhaps I'll pay some attention to you then.

 

One of the first things the left always does when it takes power is to kill other members of the left whom it may view as rivals or potential rivals. It is all about total control. Just look at Russia when the communist took power and from 1918 and 1919 and how Lenin eliminated the Right Socialist Revolutionary Party, the Social Democrats, the Mensheviks, and the Popular Socialists and all other leftist political opposition, rivalry, and dissent by being outlawed, killings,, gulags, etc.

How Stalin had all of the great lBolshevik leaders from Pre-Revolution to Communist take over killed in the 1920's going into the mid 1930's and later went deeper into his absolute hold on power with his internal party purges with his kangaroo courts.

Below is an example taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge

The Great Purge was a series of campaigns of political repression and persecution in the Soviet Union orchestrated by Joseph Stalin from 1937 to 1938.[1] It involved a large-scale purge of the Communist Party and government officials, repression of peasants, Red Army leadership, and the persecution of unaffiliated persons, characterized by widespread police surveillance, widespread suspicion of "saboteurs", imprisonment, and arbitrary executions.

So why the surprise that the Nationalist Socialist Hitler would turn on some of his own as well, it is the way of the left.

 

So which was it then? Did Hitler look to gain support from the trade unions, as one vaunted source would have it, or did he set out to ruthlessly exterminate his "brother socialists," because that's just what leftists always do, according to Andy? It would be more believable if we could get this story straight, but I suppose that's too much to ask.

How comforting it must be to look at history and see all the evil regimes of the modern era as being on "the other side." What an incredible (in a literal sense) service people like Dr. Ray and Mr. Dixon provide: To re-write the events of the past in such a way that those who share their political ideology can feel that their approach is always, and has always been, that of righteousness. According to this view, no one has ever taken the right to the extreme; all the extremists are of the left. It really is heart-warming, or something.

 

(to andy's post)...says a right-leaning individual. From the point of view you are expressing I could conclude that the right-wing considers themselves positively angelic... but I don't. They know they've done bad things, bad bad thing! They just are less likely to admit it publically.

 

On the 21st April, 1933, Ley issued an NSDAP directive announcing a " co-ordination action" to be carried out on the 2nd May against the Free Trade Unions.
The directive ordered that SA and SS men were to be employed in the planned .' occupation of trade union properties and for the taking into protective custody of personalities who come into question." At the conclusion of the action the official NSDAP press service reported that the National Socialist Factory Cells Organisation had "eliminated the old leadership of Free Trade Unions" and taken over the leadership them selves. Similarly, on the 3rd May, 1933, the NSDAP press service announced that the Christian trade unions " have unconditionally subordinated themselves to the leadership of Adolf Hitler." In place of the trade unions the Nazi Government set up a German Labour Front (DAF), controlled by the NSDAP, and which, in practice, all workers in Germany were compelled to join. The chairmen of the unions were taken into custody and were subjected to ill-treatment, ranging from assault and battery to murder.

 

Once again you can see that what Hitler said and what he did were 2 different things, what you seem to be missing here is that his book was written before he took power, once he had the power his objectives began to change. Who did he align himself with? The Armed forces and the Industrialists and Bankers. He destroyed Rhome and the SA who were the Socialist element of the party.

 

Not only is this kind of thing way to subtle for them to grasp, but it contradicts their party line. I assume that in Texas among other places the history books have already been rewritten eliminate this inconvenient truth.

 

Texas? Try London. i.e the London that is overseas.

 

Ernst Julius Günther Röhm, (November 28, 1887 – July 2, 1934) was a German officer in the Bavarian Army and later an early Nazi leader. He was a co-founder of the Sturmabteilung ("Storm Battalion"; SA),[1] the Nazi Party militia, and later was its commander. In 1934, as part of the Night of the Long Knives, he was executed on Hitler's orders as a potential rival.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Röhm

Ernst Röhm, Röhm also spelled Roehm (born November 28, 1887, Munich, Germany—died July 1, 1934, Munich-Stadelheim), German army officer and chief organizer of Adolf Hitler’s storm troops (Sturmabteilung, or SA; Brownshirts). Feared as a rival by Hitler, he was murdered at the Führer’s order
Röhm wanted the SA to absorb or supplant the Reichswehr (regular army) and to secure equality with the Nazi Party, contrary to Hitler’s wishes
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/506908/Ernst-Rohm

Lenin and Stalin did the same thing. Why the confusion with the National Socialist Hitler.

 

Yeah, that is what the left does like hitler
Lenin
Stalin
Mao
murder anyone who is a rival or thought may become as such.

The nicest leftist, the idealists and/or true liberals usually do not last long when the left takes over absolute power. That is not me talking, that is just the history of it all.

 

@ RLM Would you care to tell me which part of what I wrote is historically incorrect? I assume that your comments were aimed at me as I am the only one here living in London (overseas as you put it) @ Andy nice write up on Rhom I have no disagreement with that but he was the Socialist voice of the Party, he wanted to remove the Vons and the Junkers. The other 2 major left wing Nazis that Hitler got rid of were Otto Strasser & Gregor Strasser Otto went into exile and Gregor was killed on the night of the long knives read up on them

 

HUH?
Just what part of quoting Takiji (because he was referring you to Texas history books) can remotely be construed as being "aimed at" you? I was merely informing Takiji of your residence (i.e not in or accessible to Texas) and in no way made any comment so much as hinting about anything you said. Are you so paranoid of my words that you are trying to make preemptive strikes?

 

Being an outsider to the discussion, I'll put in my two cents.

Your comment suggested to me that the rewriting of history books was done in London, not Texas. The rest of your explanation above seems to me to be a lot of ducking and weaving lol

Ok, carry on.

 

Not paranoia it was what you said and I will quote it for you

"Texas? Try London. i.e the London that is overseas."​

Read more: http://www.partisanlines.com/threads/just-another-second-amendment-solution.4313/page-4#ixzz1rpux3n42​

Now as far as I am aware the London overseas is were I live? The context of that comments came in a direct respons to ​

Takiji saying that he assumed the

in Texas among other places "the history books have already been rewritten eliminate this inconvenient truth"​

Now if you miss wrote the statement fair enough otherwise it reads that the history books I read are wrong and what I am writing is therfore wrong.​

There was no mention by ​

Takiji of were I resided nor that my comments were in any way wrong.

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