Another Stellar Day for Gun Owners

He's pathetic... like saying "Oops!" is proof of anything! LOL ...I've already debunked his little "Oops" moment in my reply to rlm... not that they would acknowledge it, considering it's about their lies LOL

Martin had the right to stand his ground against someone chasing him. I know how you feel about guns... so forgive me for this... but it's too bad Martin himself wasn't packin' a legal gun. If he had been, and Zimmerman was the one shot and killed, Martin himself would be justified in claiming the right to stand his ground. But he's dead. And he wasn't carrying a gun. And for some reason, these hardcores think that it's justifiable to chase after and shoot an unarmed kid. Unreal.

 

"Admire" isn't the word I'd use......though I see your point. Like we said, it's the game they want to play...and we both know how pitiful they are at it! ...I'm contemplating explaining the rules to them...it's their game and should know them, but obviously they don't play it well...odin knows it's too easy right now, maybe they'll actually learn something and the game will be more competitive lol

...nahhhh... let them flop around like fools lol

(sees De Orc lurking about) ...Oh! ...and Martin had the right to stand his ground!

 

Maybe that's the most important question for you hardcores... but I firmly believe the most important question should be: Who has the greater claim to "stand his ground"? In you hardcores, it's Zimmerman, the man carrying a gun and chasing Martin. IMO, it's Martin, the kid being chased by a man with a gun.

Chew on that, social-one!

 

Is that your hardcore position? My opinion has been stated before, but bears repeating: Martin had the right to stand his ground. He had the right to defend himself against a man who was chasing him. Like I said before, Zimmerman's mistake was getting out of his vehicle and chasing Martin. At that point, he assumes liabilty for the outcome... he became the aggressor.

Now, you hardcores may want Zimmerman off the hook, just in case you ever feel the need to shoot someone, but if you start chasing people around while carrying a gun... in the hopes that you can use the "stand your ground" defense... you will be making the same stupid mistake Zimmerman himself made.

 

I'd guess... and this is only a guess (stares at Coin, says) keep the comment to yourself, social-one...(turns back to De Orc) that Martin didn't like being chased for no damn reason... I know I wouldn't! Now Martin, being a 17 year old black male, with raging hormones, a strong body, and an urge to defend himself against yet another case of a white man chasing a black man around (believe me, racial tensions here still exist, and black self-empowerment struggles are fought daily everywhere here) it's highly likely Martin stood his ground against his pursuer, confronting him, and threw some punches. Who knows what Zimmerman may or may not have said to Martin before the punches were thrown, it's unlikely Zimmerman will reveal what was said if there was anything said at all, and it really doesn't matter much anyway... the case's crucial aspect is who had the right to stand his ground... and if a 17 year old black kid doesn't have that right when being chased by an older white person with a gun.... then that's just bs IMO.

 

Now you're getting where I'm coming from. Obviously what the law has to say is what will determine the outcome, but for myself personally... I reserve the right to defend myself at all times. Whether or not the law agrees with me?... I really don't care lol

 

Well, I see our misfortune materialized and your keyboard/Wi-Fi/electricity is still functioning. You're still the blathering numbskull of the Left you've always been so I suppose our misfortune is minuscule compared to yours.

To answer your question, dimwit, the only person who knows what really happened is Zimmerman himself. The evidence may prove contradictory to his testimony or it may not. Conjecture on your part at this point in time is simply foolish.

 

Maybe, just maybe, that's what Zimmerman was doing. Did you ever think of that? Just sayin'.

 

Good points as usual.

 

Now that the news is telling more of the story it seems as if Zimmerman was getting beat up and i would not be surprised if the voice screaming on the tape was his and not Matin's as CNN and company was preaching.

Questions:
Does Martin have a history of physical violence?
Did Martin have a relative in that housing pud or was that made up as well for I would think he would run straight for his dad's place if he felt threatened unless he knew he could give the other guy an ### kicking.

 

I guess you are as dense as everyone thinks you are afterall. No one here is defending Zimmerman, we are simply defending the right to have his guilt or innocence determined by a court of law. How are you missing this fact? Is moen whispering in your ear & getting you going again?

 

In just the last 2 pages, Qless had 15 posts - and absolutely no facts/references. Oh, but I would/could not begin to count the number of insults.

 

Just like I thought, you can't won't answer the question! Fine, I'll just inform you once again: You don't have the authority to say other opinions are unnecessary, unwarranted, uncalled for, etc., etc., etc.

And to say only Zimmerman knows the truth is stupid! What you meant to say is that he's the only person still alive that was involved in the incident. But that's typical, isn't it? All through this thread your focus has been on protecting Zimmerman's interests in the case... and ignoring Martin's...why is that, eh? Do you think that unarmed, young black man "had it comin'"...or what? Is that what you are saying?

I don't expect an answer to that, not a truthful one anyway, so answer this instead: Did Martin have the right to stand his ground? Yes or no social-one! ....not that I expect you to honor that question with a truthful answer either!

 

Stop acting like an idiot and re-read the thread if you think I haven't considered Zimmerman's likely behavior that night. Or were you too busy whining like a baby at the time, crying 'but you shouldn't be posting about this... wahhhhhh....wahhhhhhh'... to see that I did. Either way, you have no clue social-one!

 

Re-read this thread if you have any doubt that I haven't considered whether or not Zimmerman was taking some blows from Martin prior to the shooting. Although I doubt I mentioned it, and the voice on the tape is subject to interpretation, I consider it highly likely to be Martin's whiny little girl-like screams. My later research into the case supports that. I have no idea of Martin's history of violence. It wouldn't shock me if he had violent tendencies, especially while being chased by an armed white guy for no reason. Does it make a difference to the "stand your ground" law? Not in my opinion. If you feel threatened, and are being chased by a white guy, it should qualify. Whether or not you have a tendency to be violent is irrelevant when you yourself feel threatened. As for having relatives in the area... that's probably true, since most people don't walk miles out of there way at night...in other words: it's highly likely.

 

pffffffbbbbbttttt! ...Damn it, Andy! ....You made me spit my drink out!
A good point? Maybe. The defining point? Not even close.

 

Hardcore David, everyone! Losing at his own game again! That's right, that makes him the loooooserrrrrrr again!

Really David... this is getting pathetic! To say you three haven't been defending Zimmerman all along is a lie. Keep trying though, you may even convince yourself, if that fat-headed ego of your will let you!

What about the "torture" issue, David? Are you still behind your comment that it's nothing more than a love-tap on a sunny afternoon on a sandy beach with a semi-naked vixon? Tell me you aren't atill passing that bs as truth! PATHETIC!!! LOLLLL

 

Did you count your insults towards me, ? Or how about the social-one's? David's (the loooooserrrrrs, *game)? Don't tell me you forgot to count David's!!! Or are you saying only you three are allowed to throw insults around? Are you saying no one else is allowed to pick those insults of yours up and throw them back in your face? You forgetting the rules to the loooooserrrrrs game already? PATHETIC!!!

Obviously, Martin should be found innocent of assault on the grounds he was being chased by a white man carrying a gun. That's how the "stand your ground" law works. Too bad it'll never see a day in court... what with MARTIN BEING SHOT DEAD BY THE WHITE MAN WHO CHASED HIM!!!

Zimmerman now, that's a bit different, isn't it? He chased after Martin, didn't he? He shot Martin, didn't he? Yeah, if I was the judge, and I alone was responsible for making the ruling, I'd look at every damn scrap of information I was allowed to and make my ruling based on that when the time came to do so. Here though, I'm not under those restrictions, so I can say ...given the evidence I'm aware of at this time... I'd find Zimmerman guilty.

Now, turn up the o2 on your tank, pop a couple more of those prescription pills of yours and have a nice day, .

 

We do not know that Martin knew he was been followed by a white man with a gun that is conjecture, what we can assume is that at some point he became aware he was been followed or else Zimmerman confronted him.

And can we please keep the name calling to a minimum or I will close this thread as well