Another Stellar Day for Gun Owners

Please. bring all the facts into the discussion, but please get them straight. I think you'd certainly agree that it's foolish to base an opinion on conflicting stories.

 

Well time for facts he is now in custody awaiting trial on a charge of 2nd degree murder, his defense made no bid for bail

 

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The fence you pretend straddle has a major hole in it. While you mostly refuse to speculate on the unknown and the known details of the Zimmerman/Martin incident, you have consistently exaggerated the position of those that have discussed the details as being people on the Left calling for blood and trying to lynch Zimmerman either figuratively or literally. Last time I checked, discussing issues is the purpose of this discussion forum. Bringing up current events and expressing an opinion from your perspective is exactly what this thread and other threads are supposed to be all about while mischaracterizing the opinions being expressed as far more extreme than they really are seems to be (albeit back-handedly) a way to be judgmental while never bothering to actually take a position. You seem to excel at not taking a position while condemning others for actually having a position. I guess it makes it easier for you to take swings at others for being on one side of the fence or the other while you are perched on top of said fence judging them. And as I’ve said, exaggerating the opinions being expressed to fit your RW agenda is most certainly being judgmental.

One would have to look at you and struggle to admire the courage of your convictions or at least be disgusted by the arrogance of your self-righteousness.

 

I've already said that I neither condemn nor defend either party. I would consider that to be an impartial observer instead of "straddling the fence". I abhor violence and am saddened at the death of a teenager, but I would be just as saddened if justice is not served in this case. The question then becomes "What is justice"? Justice will be the collection of all the facts and evidence of the case, the presentation of those facts and a trial by jury (if the case goes to trial). Justice is not bits and pieces of rumors, innuendo and "facts" garnered from internet websites or agenda-driven news sources. Zimmerman may or may not be guilty. It's not up to you or me to decide (even though some on this forum and across the country have already passed judgment and, in one case on this forum at least, passed sentence).

I think it's ridiculous to offer an opinion at this time when you don't have evidence to back it up (unless you count The View, The Ed Schultz Show and The Huffington Post as your "news" sources).

 

There is plenty of evidence out there available from all the usual sources, Faux included. Certainly enough to discuss and have opinions about. We've all heard the 911 calls, we've all seen the police video, we've all heard his former lawyers tell us what the now accused told them. We all know that the police failed to conduct more than the most cursory investigation at the scene, which btw is probably what will keep Zimmerman out of prison. What are these things if not evidence?

To say that there isn't any evidence that doesn't come from Liberal talk show hosts and Huffington Post is more than a little disingenuous. If you don't feel like talking about it, fine. There's no harm in that. You don't need specious and absurd justifications for your decision. As for rushing to judgment I think that you need to go back and review some of the stuff you wrote about the OWS protestors before you start flinging booger around.

 

I don't think that is my (Moen1305) quote.

 

I know. I don't know how that happened. I think I was responding to something CoinOKC wrote.

 

It appears the police wanted him charged, but the prosecutor (or DA whatever) ordered him released.

I've heard of an attack on one of the city's police car there, and that isn't right. Now, not that this would be right either but... it should be the prosecuctor's (or DA's whatever) car that got attacked lol ...any fool doing so should understand that is a crime though. And I'd never encourage anyone to attack the prosecutor's car... that's just dumb lol

 

You are soooo much fun sometimes lol

You mean righties want their version of justice. You know, the version that says; "The kid had it comin' to him! He was a black person walkin' around a white neigborhood an' he was up to no good!"

You forget truth. The left-leaners, me in particular, want to know what happened, why it happened the way it did, and how to prevent it in the future. You don't. You want it ignored. You want us to ignore it, and that isn't going to happen lol

LOL!!! ...In what way is he being denied a fair trial? What you meant to say was: you don't feel he should be tried... but he is, and that trial will be fair.

That's your opinion, and you are entitled to it. It's a bit whiney, but that's your choice lol ...Now, I've explained how I came to "clamor" for his arrest, but a quick re-cap may be in order: I based my conclusions on the available facts. Two of the facts that are the most damaging to Zimmerman's defense are his pursuit of Martin and his shooting of Martin, both of which are undeniable truths. Those two facts alone are proof enough for me to say that he did indeed need to be arrested.

Whether you think it is just or not is irrelevant... it's happenin'. By the way, you do know I could say the same thing about you righties attempting to quelsh any discussion on the case... that attempting to inhibit the discussion is kin to attempting to hide the crime. "Sweeping it under the rug" isn't going to make this particular case go away you know. You may not care about what happened there, you may not want to know the truth, but a lot of people do, and they are not going to let you righties sweep it under the rug. Not this time lol

My previous comments in this thread should have been enough for you to become "aware" of how I came to conclude (correctly, I might add) that Zimmerman should be arrested. Not that you are a horse or anything but I can't make you aware, that part is up to you.

I'm much more than that, I assure you. But, that falls under awareness, doesn't it, and you've already stated your lack of it.

What disqualifies me? Remember where we are, this isn't a court of law.

Well, he's getting one now isn't he?...and that's exactly what I was calling for. You righties, on the other hand, fought the idea the entire time, (and still are!) ...which means you righties are not interested in justice for Martin. Instead, you righties want Zimmerman to get away with murder.

That's such a lame complaint ...you're lucky you're not a horse lol ...In what way is commenting on a forum board such as this one "hindering the procedings"?

I was referring to the Occupy Whatevers who committed homicide while encamped at their Occupy Whatever rallies. Please note that even though they committed homicide, they may not be convicted. There may be circumstances when homicide is justified. They're entitled to a fair trial just as Zimmerman is entitled to a fair trial. I can't see how the Lefties don't understand that. [/quote]

LOL... back-peddle, scramble, duck and weave all you want... it amuses me. There's no escaping it though, you have selective reasoning issues lol ...Your hatred for the Occupiers is obvious, and so are your excuses.

Finally,

I am absolutely entitled to post
my opinion
of what most likely occurred, since it is obviously in the realm of
public opinion
and not sworn testimony in a
court of law.

 

Hey Coin... lol... watch this:

You are rushing to judgement in every single instance above.

I'm fine with that though, you can state your incorrect and preconceived opinions all you want. It's a freedom I for one am grateful for.

 

I highlighted (in bold) your words that are most relevant to the point I'd like to make, a point that you either apparently are failing to see, or more likely, don't want to admit: That in this case, you are doing so, but in other cases like this... when the righties support it, you do too.

For clarity: Your use of conservative equals my use of righties.

Now for the second part of my point: It (the shooting) shouldn't even be political, but righties just can't stomach the idea of agreeing with lefties on anything.

 

LOL!!! I was about to say something similar like, "What are you trying to do, introduce facts? They don' need no stinkin' facts!!! "

...but fine...

 

To be fair, I'm on the fence, so-to-speak, on the police investigation at the site. I know I said it sounded like they hadn't done a proper job... but coin is right about my prejudging that particular point... I simply don't know what forensic work was done that night.

I don't believe it's going to become an issue in court though, since Zimmerman admits all the key points (such as following, and shooting, Martin). I don't think the prosecution is going to need much forensic evidence to prove those key points anyway.

 

Well, you're the first one to bring race into this discussion. Good job... NOT!

Where, oh where do you come up with this garbage? Please indicate where I've stated that I don't want the truth to come out in this case. Also, please show where I've wanted to ignore anything in this case. Quite to contrary, I've stated "please bring all the facts out". Gee, are you on something? Seriously...

Statements such as this one made by you certainly make it seem as if you don't want him to have a fair trial. If you've already formed your opinion, thank God you're not going to be selected to serve on his jury.

I don't need "evidence" since I'm stating an opinion on an internet forum. I'm not presenting a case as a prosecutor in a trial. You want to wait until any potential trial is over before you form your opinion? That's your business. I'm not obligated to wait though...

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I'm glad you're aware of all the evidence leading up to the shooting. I'm certain you can enlighten us and the rest of the world exactly what happened, moment by moment, from the first time the two parties encountered each other until the shooting occurred. Begin... NOW:​

Again, just where do you come up with this garbage? Who is sweeping it under the rug? Where did I say I didn't care about what happened? Where did I say that I didn't want to know the truth? Are you living in a fantasy world? Please show my quotes if you're going to make statements like that.

I'm aware of most of what's been presented so far in this case. Unlike you, however, I'm not going to rush to judgment.

Oh, really? Are you part of the law enforcement team investigating the incident? Are you part of the defense team? Are you part of the prosecution team? Are you a member of the District Attorney's Office investigating the incident? Are you a member of the family of either party? Are you a member of a news service? Are you a member of a private investigative firm? If you're "much more" than just a guy sitting behind a keyboard, please enlighten us as to what you are. If you have pertinent information in this case, please let us know what it is. We need to make an informed decision before rendering an opinion.

You're right.. nothing disqualifies you. However, making an uninformed opinion speaks highly of your lack of integrity. Please keep that in mind the next time you feel qualified to speak your opinion.

What a load of crap. He's entering the criminal justice system and the case may go to trial should the evidence be sufficient. I've been behind that all the way. So, when you say "you righties" I really don't know who you're referring to, but it certainly isn't me. Or any other conservative on this forum based on their statements. Now, where did anyone say that they wanted Zimmerman to "get away with murder"? I really think you're on something. I really do.

 

(menacingly) Very well mortal! I shall reveal myself to you!! I am your lord and savior Jesus Bartholameau Christ!!! ...And I am here to tell you: You are now and forever denied access to heaven ...and France too by the way.

It's your own fault heathen! If only you had listened to that subconscious voice in your head that told you what was just and what was unjust! But nayyyyyyyy, your republican idealism drowned it out and (even more menacingly) you are banished to live in the south... forever!!!

That good enough for ya?

 

Uh-oh! Was evidence hidden in the Martin/Zimmerman case that might be beneficial to Zimmerman? It looks like it may be so:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/25/dershowitz-trayvon-prosecutor-overreached-with-murder-charge/

 

Suddenly, he wants to talk about it! ...LOL

I didn't look at your FOX News link, but I try to watch it on TV from time to time and believe the point you are making may be about the photos of the back of Zimmerman's head, which show quite a bit of trauma. Is this correct?

Now, I have to ask, after all the bellowing by you righties for people to not make any judgements about Zimmerman's guilt in this thread, are you sure you wish to continue? Mind you, I'm not the one having an issue with the subject lol

My guess is you would prefer to only state the fact of trauma being present, so I'll address that directly:

That was a given.

Anything else?

 

It is just the usual bs. The left has made up their minds while the right wants/needs some facts to decide. And they insist we are wrong while they are right. Now, if anyone follows that logic, please keep it to yourself because I really do not want to understand that kind of logic.

 

You really need to read the article before passing judgment. Hmmm.. that sounds familiar.

 

I politely respond "No."