Another Stellar Day for Gun Owners

No sh*t. He didn't have any trouble finding the OWS people guilty of violence, rape, and drug use did he? Not to mention obstructing traffic. Every last one of them was a criminal or at least a deadbeat. Tried and convicted in his own personal court. But HERE he's all about level-headed restraint.

 

But that does not fit the LW's agenda. They have already invested so much capital in convicting him in their press they cannot afford to say he even might be innocent.

 

Exactly. Once Hannity and Faux News have spoken then they'll know what to do.

 

I'm going to respond to this comment, and all the others you righties have been spewing out in this thread, in this way:

All of my comments in this thread on this particular incident have been in the realm of public opinion. All comments made by me come from my visualization of the likely events using basic unbiased information, information that is fact. Information that I deemed not to be fact, such as suppositions made by others, was intentionally excluded from my attempt to understand how the incident occurred. Coinincidentally, quite a bit of my reconstruction of the event turned out to be accurate. Some not so.

Meanwhile, all the righties comments here have been re-spewing right-wing commentary, including the chant that opinions like mine are coming from left-wing sources. As stated in the paragraph above, I deny vehemently that I was biased in reconstructing the incident and in making my conclusions. I may have been wrong here or there about specifics, but those specifics were the result of my own mistakes and not the left-wing media, as righties here have been suggesting.

Finally, I have intentionally refrained from watching FOX news until now, but I was immediately struck with the intense similarity between their rambling rants and the rightie's rants here on Partisan Line.

So yeah, I'm saying you don't have a leg to stand on with your calls to refrain from judging the guy, not when you're too busy sitting in FOX's lap like any other lap dog.

WOOF!

 

Your right-wing blogs tell you to say that?

 

Yep, no sh*t. If you'd bother to read my posts, you'll find that I would stand behind even the Occupy Whatevers if they entered the criminal justice system. I don't care if they're left-wing, right-wing or no-wing, everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty. Now, REPORTING the violence and forming an opinion on that violence is a different matter entirely. Note that I said "on that violence". I'm not calling for death to the OWS participants, but I do condemn the violence inherent in their movement. I have no problem with anyone here reporting what is going on with Zimmerman in Florida. Also, I have no problem with anyone here condemning the violence of a teenager being killed. But, the left-wing radicals in this forum and across the country are calling for Zimmerman's blood like a hungry pack of hyenas. I know you've already condemned the guy, but that's your business. I see absolutely no reasoning behind the left's attempt to hang this guy from the tallest tree in town even before he receives a trial. I wouldn't do that even to the murderers in the Flea Party.

 

In that case, you watch more FOX News than I do. The rest of your rant makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

 

Well I'd be interested to know who has called for his death and exactly how you define a LW radical. Typical that you take a giant sized brush and tag everyone with it. I'm LW. Do you a consider me a radical? And have I called for the accused murderer's death?Who on this board has called for his death? I think he's a liar and a bully and a coward. Does that make me a hyena? Is that the same as thinking he should be hanged from the tallest tree in town? Any chance you might clarify?

 

When I said "calling for death" I was referring to the New Black Panthers who have taken out a "hit" on Zimmerman. You may not have been aware that the NBP had taken a contract out on Zimmerman, but it's true. If you thought I was referring to someone on this forum calling for his death, I regret you took it that way; it wasn't intended as such.

I have referred to the members of this forum as "hyenas" and "wolves" for their rabid support of those who want their pound of flesh from Zimmerman. "Hang him from the tallest tree" is a euphemism for the same with, granted, some hyperbole. To be perfectly clear, if Zimmerman is guilty, I want him to pay. If he's not guilty, he should walk away a free man. But, it's not my place to judge. It's not your place. It's not Moen's. It's not RLM's. It's not IQ<1's. It's not Trayvon's mother's. It's not Al Sharpton's. It's not the New Black Panther's. It's no one's place except for the judge and jury at his trial.

Everyone here is going to have an opinion as to what happened. Unfortunately, since none of us were there and we don't know all the facts, our opinions are skewed by what we read and how we interpret it. I prefer to let the criminal justice system handle the case instead of the ladies on the View. I'm certain you're already convinced that Zimmerman is guilty. So be it. I really don't care since it doesn't amount to a hill of beans in the case anyway. But, what if you're wrong? Seriously. What if you're wrong. Will you have based your prejudices in this case simply by what you've heard in the news outlets? If you had the power in your hand today to free Zimmerman or condemn him to a life of immeasurable suffering, which would you choose?

 

Nice job framing the left there... but it isn't altogether accurate now is it? Sure, an occasional angry voice may have made their opinion known, but most people on the left want one thing: justice. The shooting death of a 17 year old will do that. The argument the left is making is about the justification for the shooting though, that it isn't just. The folks on the right apparently want to frame it in other terms, but the only people they are going to convince are the people on the right and an few of the more gullible.

One thing is certain though: You must really hate the Occupy movement, you think about them in such graphic terms. You even resorted to calling them murderers, even after all your protestations for others to not pre-judge Zimmerman.

 

Not bad, and for the most part what you said was fair enough, but I have a couple of points... not counting the black panther support thing, I'll let that slide.

What? no FOX news people named? No other right-wing bloggers besides yourself and rlm? Are you saying you never listen to them? Eh, no matter... moving on...

...The two choices you gave are curious. Why not the choice to convict him of a crime, or find him innocent of that crime? Why the melodrama? A "life of immeasurable suffering" is poetic, but I can honestly say that rlm, myself, and possibly De Orc probably know more about that then any conviction would bring Zimmerman.

 

I don't know if the guy is guilty or not, nor will I cast judgment on him. What I have a problem with is that he was not arrested after the shooting as a matter of course. I know that in this country if I shoot someone regardless of the circumstances I will be taken into custody until a Investigation has been undertaken or a Judge deems it right for me to be released on some form of bail. Here it seems (from what I can gather) that he was simply allowed to go home!. Someone died here guy's at the very least it demands a Investigation into what happened, the rule of law has to be seen to be working otherwise folks will loose confidence in it.

 

If you're going to make such a blanket statement then I will, too: "Most people on the right want one thing: justice". If anything, on this forum at least, the Left-leaners have been calling for "injustice" whereas the Right-leaners have been calling for "justice". I don't think denying the man a fair trial is just. I don't think clamoring for his arrest before the facts are known is just. I don't trying the man in the Court of Public Opinion is just.

I was unaware that you are so extremely familiar with what occurred that night and have evidential information that you can make the assertion that the homicide was unjustified. You're just a guy watching the news and sitting behind a keyboard. What qualifies you to make such a judgment? Don't you think Zimmerman is entitled to a fair trial? If you're so eager to see justice served then allow the criminal justice system to proceed.

I was referring to the Occupy Whatevers who committed homicide while encamped at their Occupy Whatever rallies. Please note that even though they committed homicide, they may not be convicted. There may be circumstances when homicide is justified. They're entitled to a fair trial just as Zimmerman is entitled to a fair trial. I can't see how the Lefties don't understand that.

 

I can't stand John Edwards, but I still think he's entitled to a fair trial. I don't hear anyone saying this man doesn't deserve a fair trial:

Jury selection begins in John Edwards' trial


(CNN) -- Jury selection begins Thursday in a Greensboro, North Carolina, federal courtroom in the trial of former Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards.

Edwards is charged with six felony and misdemeanor counts related to the money dealings of his failed 2008 presidential campaign.

Rielle Hunter, Edwards' former mistress, is expected to testify at the trial. A major issue in the approaching trial is whether money given to support Hunter, by the former candidate's benefactors, should have been considered donations toward his presidential campaign. Edwards denies any wrongdoing, claiming the money was a gift.

Edwards is accused of conspiracy, issuing false statements and violating campaign contribution laws. If convicted on all counts, Edwards could face 30 years in prison and a fine of up to $1.5 million.

Edwards' attorneys have claimed the investigation and prosecution are politically motivated, and the charges do not clearly establish any violation of election law.

Edwards was Sen. John Kerry's running mate on the 2004 Democratic presidential ticket. His wife, Elizabeth, died of cancer in December 2010.

Elizabeth and John Edwards separated that year, shortly after he admitted that he had fathered a daughter with Hunter, who was hired to make documentary videos for his 2008 campaign.

 

Oh okay, I get it now. NBP = The Left. One coat covers everything. And who is anti-trial? Who is not saying that the criminal justice system needs to do its job and that Zimmerman has benefit of law like the rest of is? What all this boils down to imo is that when you have an opinion it is simply an opinion, but when I have on opinion it's a prejudiced rush to judgment.

 

That shows just how much the news has been skewed. He was taken into custody that night. It was investigated. In this country, the DA gets the first pass at ruling on the evidence and with the lowest requirements. The DA stated that he did not have enough evidence to proceed with the case, so Zimmerman was released. Everything I have stated here is absolute fact and has been stated by both sides of the press. However, there has been so much BS put out there, these facts have long been obscured.

 

RUSH TO JUDGMENT

RUSH TO JUDGMENT

THAT MAKES HIM GUILTY OF WHAT, EXACTLY?

ANOTHER RUSH TO JUDGMENT

WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE FACTS OF THIS CASE?

RUSH TO JUDGMENT. WHO KNOWS WHO STARTED THE FIGHT? ZIMMERMAN IS INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY AND IS, THEREFORE, "GUILTY" OF NOTHING SO FAR...

YES, ONCE AGAIN.. A RUSH TO JUDGMENT

RUSH TO JUDGMENT

RUSH TO JUDGMENT

REALLY BIG RUSH TO JUDGMENT

RUSH TO JUDGMENT

RUSH TO JUDGMENT

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I think that you should learn the difference between a "RUSH TO JUDGMENT" and an OBJECTIVE FACT. Yelling it doesn't make you right.

When 28-year-old George Zimmerman was discovered by Sanford, Florida police standing over the body of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, they accepted Zimmerman's claim that he killed in self-defense as a neighborhood watch captain. Now, through a statement released by the National Sheriffs' Association (NSA) -- the parent organization of USAonWatch-Neighborhood Watch -- it has been revealed that Zimmerman was not a member of any group recognized by the organization. Zimmerman violated the central tenets of Neighborhood Watch by following Martin, confronting him and carrying a concealed weapon.

"In no program that I have ever heard of does someone patrol with a gun in their pocket," Carmen Caldwell, the Executive Director of Citizens' Crime Watch of Miami-Dade, told theGrio. "Every city and municipality has their own policies. Here in Miami-Dade we train people only to be the eyes and ears of their communities. Not to follow and most definitely not to carry a weapon."

Despite this, Zimmerman admitted that he had fired a weapon on the night of the incident. In addition, the non-emergency call Zimmerman placed on February 26 before the shooting revealed he had been pursuing Martin by car before accosting the youth on foot -- all direct violations of Neighborhood Watch policies.

http://www.thegrio.com/specials/trayvon-martin/zimmerman-not-a-member-of-recognized-neighborhood-watch-organization.php

 

What I think you fail to realize is that I'm not defending or condemning either Zimmerman's or Martin's actions that night. I'm certain that not even the prosecution nor defense in the case has all the evidence yet and even if they do, the news services don't have it all. So, how can anyone outside of a select group of a few people make any judgments whatsoever at this time in this case?

What I've found on this forum and in this thread in particular is that the conservatives generally have a "wait and see until all particulars are known" before forming an opinion. Conversely, it seems as though liberals have an" I've-heard-enough" attitude and are quick to form an opinion before all facts are known.

Certainly you're entitled to your opinion, but at least base it upon facts. If you're going to condemn Zimmerman (as most liberals across the country are doing) please wait until all the facts are known. It appears that new facts are coming in about this case on a daily basis. You even said that when he went through Neighborhood Watch Training he was told not to follow people or carry a gun. Now, you are saying that he wasn't even a member of Neighborhood Watch. All I'm asking is that you get the facts (at least get the facts straight) before you rush to judgment.

 

Moen, bringing information like this into play simply displays your bias. You can't be neutral if you insist on mentioning things that reflect poorly on the accused. An open mind, as defined here, means not looking at any of the evidence or at least not bringing it up. I hope you will fight this tendency you have to introduce facts into the discussion.