Mother Kills Intruder In Order To Protect Self, Baby

Mao Zedong famously said that "political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." Which may be the reason why once the Communist took power no one was allowed to own a gun or a bullet.

 

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Police: 2 people wounded in shooting at Mo. mall
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Two Questions:
1. How did they obtain the guns they had?
2. Is there a law of twenty five years automatically to run consecutively to any conviction of a crime using a gun in that state?​

Why are quoting me incorrectly Andy? I posted nothing asking those two questions????

All I do know is that obtaining a gun couldn't be easier in this country. Society is literally awash in guns. There are 90 guns for every 100 men, women, and children in this country. Check out the LCAV website for real statistics on gun ownership.

If you really believe that political power these days grows out of the barrel of a gun as a Communist leader has said, you should fear widespread gun ownership because you are abdicating your democratic rights to the group that has the most guns. What makes you think the group with the most guns is going to be on your side?

 

Oh you silly, silly man. You're attempting to boil down a fundamental, Constitutionally-guaranteed right to a foolish game of "gotcha". You may not have much respect for our rights, but that's your prerogative I suppose. Thankfully, the Founders had a differing opinion than you. We have the right to bear arms, but you can choose not to if you wish. I would prefer to have a firearm at my disposal, if needed.

Please don't attempt to step on anyone's right to bear arms based upon the actions of those who would misuse their right.

 

A. Sorry. Did not mean to quote you incorrectly was asking you those two questions based upon the 2 people shot and messed up with the posting.
B. My quote is that those who want absolute power usually take away the guns from the masses as their first step.
C. I am an advocate of gun ownership but think it is too easy to get one. There should be a two or three month waiting period and medical records of those who are mentally incompetent or those on anti-psychotic drugs should not be excused from background checks but rather barred from obtaining them such as those with felon records.
D,I beileve that anyone sentence to a crime where a gun was involved should get twenty five years automatically to run consecutively.

 

Like clembo, I also have to side with coin on this one...

...sorry, I threw-up a little there...

...anyway... most people who own guns legally never use them to kill other people. The few that do are the exception and not the rule. It's impossible to know which of the people that legally own guns are eventually going to shoot at someone else. It's also impossible to keep guns away from people who want to aquire them illegally. Even a total ban on all firearms in America, and a thorough house-to-house search for them would not remove the ability for anyone to make their own primitive weapons.

Like it or not, guns are here to stay. Allowing people to use them for hunting and entertainment purposes also means that people with less self-control, even murderous intent, will have them too. That's the way it is, and no law is going to make any significant changes to it... unless you want to suspend all search and seizure rights, do away with any privacy whatsoever, and that isn't feasable.

I understand that guns can be misused, that it's too easy for even a responsible person to lose their temper and kill someone during a moment of intense anger, I get that... but I see no way to remove guns from Americans, or any reason to try.

 

Intelligent response. Really.

 

Thank you. Moen would surely disagree, and I'm fine with that too lol

 

More people being saved by guns or more people being killed by guns?

CHARDON, Ohio — The teenager suspected in an Ohio school shooting that killed three students may have used a gun that disappeared from his grandfather's barn, a longtime neighbor said Wednesday.
The gun was noticed as missing after Monday's shootings and fits the description of the pistol that reportedly was used to kill three students and wound two others at Chardon High School, said Carl Hendersen, a neighbor of the suspect's grandparents.
He is a retired police officer and former Geauga County sheriff, as well as a longtime neighbor of the grandparents of suspect T.J. Lane. He said he has spoken to the grandfather, Thomas Lane, about the gun.
The suspect's grandfather believes the gun is the same, "because the gun was there the day before, in the barn," said Henderson, 74, who says he's been friends with the boy's family for nearly 50 years

 

Is it the gun or is it the person using the gun? This excerpt is from an interview with Maj. Gen. Peter Cosgrove, retired Australian Army officer.

FEMALE INTERVIEWER:So, General Cosgrove, what things are you going to teach these young boys when they visit your base?

GENERAL COSGROVE:
We're going to teach them climbing, canoeing, archery and shooting.

FEMALE INTERVIEWER: Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible, isn't it?

GENERAL COSGROVE:I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the rifle range.

FEMALE INTERVIEWER:Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?

GENERAL COSGROVE:I don't see how. We will be teaching them proper rifle discipline before they even touch a firearm.

FEMALE INTERVIEWER:But you're equipping them to become violent killers.

GENERAL COSGROVE:Well, Ma'am, you're equipped to be a prostitute, but you're not one, are you?

 

LOL that is funny also you can kill with a bow and beat someone to death with a paddle Now dont get me started on the leathal use you can put climbing equipment to

 

There was a stabbing in a Chicago high school today. Are you going to call for a knife ban as well?

On a side note, is IL full of idiots & criminals? It seems a great deal of the news these days is made by folks from that state.

 

I've made that same case to many people over the years, that anything can be used as a weapon, but I have to admit guns are unique in their ability to kill unintentionally or in a split second of anger.

IMO, Anger experienced by the typical person becomes something far more dangerous when a gun is present... it's far too easy to pull out a gun and shoot someone. An arrow is similar, but far harder to carry or conceal... bludgening someone to death is usually reserved for the people with the most serious anger issues and is much more personal (gun-related deaths are not always so)... ropes or other ligation methods typically indicate intent or preplanning, as in serial murderers, and guns less often. Guns can be used by a two-year old.

That said, I'm not for removing them from society (see post #45).

As far as training goes, it's a two-way street. On the one-side it teaches proper use and limits the cases of accidental deaths that occur during hunting season and such. On the other hand, there are countless examples of marksmen becoming murderers, so training alone isn't going to prevent murders from happening.

When it comes down to it, it's the nature of the person that determines the likelyhood of that person committing a crime using a gun. Even then, if you were somehow able to determine who would use the gun properly and who wouldn't, and were able to keep guns out of the hands of those who wouldn't, even then the previously acceptable person could hit his/her head one day and damage the part of the brain that says "Don't point at people and pull the trigger".

Now, what are you talking about with this lethal use of climbing equipment thing?......just kidding!

 

How so?

There are?

 

Are you serious? Are you seriously saying you cannot understand?

 

My guns, all properly secured, are no more dangerous than a bat or anything else.

 

Pulling the trigger in a moment of anger is far easier and much more likely to kill en masse than a bat. The texas bell-tower dude comes to mind there... if he had had a bat he couldn't have killed more than one person, if he was lucky, by dropping the bat onto someone's head.

Again, I'm not against guns. I accept that having guns in the World means mass murders are going to be a result from time to time.

 

moen isn't calling for a knife ban after the stabbing at a Chicago high school?

What a hypocrite.

 

Perhaps it's time they outlawed knives? Thankfully, the police officer was armed with a firearm and was able to shoot this guy:

Police: 4 stabbed at Ohio downtown office building

March 14, 2012
COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — Police say a man stabbed four people in an attack that began near an Ohio technical school that's housed in a downtown office building. He was then shot by a police officer as he left the building.

Columbus police spokesman Sgt. Rich Weiner says the suspect confronted one victim inside the building near Miami-Jacobs Career College. He said other people inside intervened and took away one knife the suspect was using.
Weiner says those who intervened didn't realize suspect had a second knife.

Three male victims are in critical condition, while a fourth man has minor injuries. The suspect is in critical condition. His name hasn't been released.

A school spokesman says he doesn't know whether the victims were students or staff.

http://news.yahoo.com/police-4-stabbed-ohio-downtown-office-building-175818957.html

 

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Knife Killings in NYC Increased 50 Percent in 2008

April 27, 2009
A psychotherapist in an Upper East Side office. A young woman working in a grocery store. A city bus driver behind the wheel in Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn, on a lunchtime route.

Each of these was featured last year in a snapshot of murder in New York City, where authorities have long been battling illegal firearms — and seeing a degree of success. But these people were killed by knives, contributing to a troubling statistic in homicides.

In 2008, even as gun killings fell, the number of killings committed with knives or other “cutting instruments” rose 50 percent in New York City, the Police Department said: to 125 from 83. Some other large cities saw no such increase last year, and police officials and experts are at a loss to explain what is either a new trend or a spike.
“It is hard to say with certainty what accounts for the increase,” said Paul J. Browne, the chief spokesman for the New York Police Department.

It was possible, but hard to document, Mr. Browne said, that measures like undercover gun-trafficking investigations and interrogations, in which people arrested for lower level crimes are asked to provide information on gun cases, had led to the rise in knife killings and the drop in gun slayings.

In 2008, 292 people were shot to death in New York, down from 347 the year before, continuing a longtime slide in deaths by firearms.

Over all, homicides of all kinds rose slightly last year, to 523 from 496 in 2007, which was a 45-year low. So far in 2009, about a quarter of killings in the city have been committed with knives or other cutting instruments, about the same percentage as in 2008. But the overall homicide rate is down: 97 through April 16, the Police Department said, compared with 135 in the same period in 2008.

“We may have made it harder for killers to get their hands on guns,” said Mr. Browne. “Knives are still easily and legally acquired.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/28/nyregion/28knives.html