Mother Kills Intruder In Order To Protect Self, Baby

Post Traumatic Stress is going to happen. One way that is was lessen in the past was to dehumanize the enemy. There was a purpose, it was to get quicker reactions to do horrible things to other people as well as to take away feelings of guilt and despair. The liberals did away with that which is a shame. Knowing your foe as a person is for after you win, not while you fighting. Another way militaries delt with post traumatic stress or fear for the moment was was to have the soldiers match into battle with drums beating and thier heads buzzing from various types of alochol or drugs. Hard to be scared or feel responsible that way. The third way was to train the person to act like a machine so actions occur without thought. Bottom line there is a reason why the saying goes that their are no winners in a war.

Then you have the ultimate way which is religion. Have the person believe that death in battle is even better then life.
Worked well with the Vikings and works great with the Muslims.

 

After sifting through the drivel of responses (for the most part that is other than what K Dawson had to say) I shall make my point known.

GOOD FOR HER!

I am not a fan of guns myself. I own one. I own one because years ago some gang bangers showed up on my doorstep looking for a person that never lived at this address. I made the mistake of telling one "dude that person has never lived here". He took exception to me calling him "dude". In retrospect had I called him rectal wonder he probably would have thought it was a compliment.
He threatened to "cap me" basically.

It was late at night as I worked a 2-10 shift at the time. I woke my wife up and told her to lie on the floor while I called the cops. The cops arrived and in the meantime they had knocked my mailbox down. The cop asked me if I got a plate number. Hell no! I was trying to get away from any potential shooting.

They were long gone and the cop asked me if I owned a gun. I said no and he recommended I get one. He not only recommended that but said the sound of a shotgun being pumped was intimidating behind a closed door and IF I had to shoot anyone to make sure they were IN the house or drag them in to make it look like they were.
Cops don't like scum around here.

I thought long and hard about this and decided I needed a gun for home protection.
I was running a truck stop at the time and made a few phone calls.

The first was to a friend I made on ebay of all places. Two tours in VietNam and a one time professional skeet shooter. His first question was did I want to hurt or kill? Kill I said. I don't need a lawsuit from some ahole that invaded my home.

He made some recommendations. Then I got together with a guy that did security at the truck stop. He helped me choose a gun. With any luck I'll never have to use it.

This was a BIG decision for me. I have no desire to take a human life. I don't like guns but I'll be darned if some piece of human trash is going to waltz into my house for easy pickings. I take the trash out in a bag. A body bag if necessary.

Are there any questions?

 

No questions here. I'm with you on this 100%. I, too, would hate to take a person's life, but I don't think I'd hesitate doing so in order to protect mine or someone else's. I agree with some people that gun violence in this country is high, but regulation is not the answer. Guns are too prevalent in our lives to try to regulate them.

 

What it says you can not execute someone for breaking the law? LOL

 

The Eighth Amendment (Amendment VIII) to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights which prohibits the federal government from imposing excessive bail, excessive fines or cruel and unusual punishments. The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that this amendment's Cruel and Unusual Punishment Clause applies to the states.

 

De Orc...
That's the idea. If you can't deal with the problem become part of it. Bravo. By the way, I used to think racists should be shot on sight, but I've mellowed with age. Now I just think they should be fixed so they can't breed.

 

First, I don't agree with the racist mentality. I think referring to anyone as "white", "black" or "yellow" (or whatever color) characterizes and labels that person. Second, even racists are entitled to their opinion in the U.S. whether we like what they say or not.

I'm certain you're being sarcastic (or perhaps not) when you say, "I used to think racists should be shot on sight". I'm not so sure, however, when you say they should "be fixed so they can't breed". Wow. I'm not really sure how to respond to that one.

 

3 killed at NC lumber company; gunman hurt


Fri Jan 13, 3:51 PM EST

A gunman who opened fire at a North Carolina lumber company targeted four of his co-workers with a shotgun Friday, killing three of them and critically injuring the other person, police said.
Ronald Dean Davis went home after the rampage at the warehouse and shot himself in the head, leaving him critically wounded, Montgomery County Sheriff Dempsey Owens said. Davis, 50, was described as disgruntled, but the sheriff didn't say exactly what he was upset over.
"He knew who he was after. He knew who he was going to see," he said.
When a sheriff's deputy arrived at Davis' house in Ether, in the central part of the state, they knocked on the door and no one answered. A deputy peered through the window and saw Davis sitting on the couch "with his head hung down."
They entered and found him breathing, but with a single gunshot wound to his head, Owens said.
A handgun and a six-page note were found nearby. Police did not release what the note said.
"It goes into some details about some things. But really it rambles on," Owens said.
About 16 other employees were at the McBride Lumber Co. when Davis started firing.
"It appears he went into the building with a loaded 12-gauge shotgun, went up to these four individuals and shot each one of the four," Owens said.
The sheriff declined to release the names of the victims, saying investigators were still in the process of contacting their families. He said other than failing to validate a deer, Davis didn't have a criminal history.
"This is indeed a dark day in Montgomery County," he said.
The company's founder, Dorothy McBride, said she was shocked.
"Oh, my God, I can't believe it," said McBride, who's no longer involved in the business. "I just can't talk about it right now. I have to find out more."
A family-owned business, the company makes pallets and treated wood for furniture and other products. A person who answered the phone at the business said they had no comment.
Owens said it took 30 minutes from the time law enforcement received a 911 call about the shootings to when they found Davis' body. People in the community helped identified the shooter.
"It's a quiet area," Owens said of Davis' neighborhood. He was police chief of Star for 10 years before he was sheriff. "When I was chief, we could solve cases pretty fast because people would help us out."
The entire community is grieving, neighbors said. Star is a flyspeck on the map, with about 800 people living about 75 miles east of Charlotte.
One of Davis' neighbors said she was in disbelief.
"This never happens around here. This is a great place to live," Charlotte Epps said. "It's a tragedy."
Neighbor Beverly Barber said she knew something was wrong when her sister called her and said to look out the window.
"There were flashing police lights everywhere," she said.
Davis lived in a house in a wooded area across the street from her.
"I would see him around in his pickup. We never had problems with him. This is something you only see in the movies. This isn't supposed to happen here," Barber said.

 

Man convicted of murder in knife fight over beer

A Prairie Township man was convicted of murder yesterday for stabbing a neighbor after they fought over a beer.

Jose Cruz-Altunar faces a mandatory prison term of life with no chance of parole for 15 years when he is sentenced Nov. 9 by Franklin County Common Pleas Judge Stephen L. McIntosh.

Jurors heard three days of testimony and deliberated for about two hours before finding Cruz-Altunar guilty of two counts of murder — one for purposely killing Ricardo Perez and the other for causing his death while committing felonious assault. The jury acquitted him of aggravated murder, which required proof that the slaying was premeditated.

Cruz-Altunar, 35, testified last week that he was defending himself when he stabbed Perez with a butcher knife on July 24, 2010, during a struggle outside the Hilton Avenue apartment complex where they both lived. He said Perez, 27, was armed with a switchblade.

Testimony established that Cruz-Altunar bought a bottle of Bud Light at a nearby gas station and was walking to the complex about 3 a.m. when he was confronted by Perez, who asked for the beer. Cruz-Altunar said the bottle broke during a struggle, and he was beaten and kicked by Perez and two other men.

Cruz-Altunar testified that he escaped from the men and went to his apartment, where he got a butcher knife as protection so he could return to the scene and retrieve a shoe that he lost in the assault. He said Perez confronted him again, and he saw a knife in Perez’s hand as they struggled on the ground.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/sto...icted-of-murder-in-knife-fight-over-beer.html

 

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New Orleans Steps Up Policing After 18 Shootings In 24 Hours

By Ted Gest
Seeking to calm a city rattled by a surge in gun violence, New Orleans Mayor Mitch Landrieu and his Police Superintendent Ronal Serpas ramped up tough talk and announced they are flooding the streets with officers in a full-court press to combat crime, says the New Orleans Times-Picayune. Civic leaders gathered at City Hall in the wake of a particularly violent and chaotic 24-hour period in which 18 people, including a New Orleans cop, were struck by gunfire. Five of the victims died from their wounds, including a gunman shot by police.
"We want to make sure it's perfectly clear," said Serpas, "we are taking this fight to the street. We are going after these criminals with an intensity that has not been seen in the last 18 months." The two officials were blunt and fiery, their monologues punctuated by clenched fists and steadfast promises. Their speeches hit on well-worn themes: A high number of the city's victims of violence have criminal histories; the battle to quell crime must be waged on many fronts; and community involvement remains paramount. At least 47 people have been wounded by gunfire in the first 12 days of the year.

 

Agrippina’s Story

Claudius the fourth Roman Emperor also known as Tiberius Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus was in the midst of big marriage problems with wife number five Agrippina. He was heard publicly to complain about his bad luck in marrying so many disagreeable women. This might have spurred Agrippina into action not so much out of a need for vengeance as a fear from losing out on the position. She saw herself and her son trying to occupy when Claudius was out of the picture. He was also making statements regarding reconciliation with son Britannicus which would have knocked Agrippina’s son Nero out of the running for ruler of Rome. She needed her husband out of the way, but it couldn’t have been just logic that drove her since the poison, that was administered to him, was slow and painful. When it seemed the old man wouldn’t die quickly enough Agrippina sent in a slave with a feather to induce vomiting, claiming it would cure him. Of course, vomiting might in fact have helped Claudius if the feather hadn’t been dipped in yet more poison.

 

http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/bloody-suburban-house-of-horror-1.1212791

Bloody suburban house of horror
January 14 2012 at 12:41pm
By Yusuf Omar
Donovan Willemse

Inside the master bedroom in Randfontein, where two children and a mother were shot by the father in the early hours of Friday, January 13, 2012.
Dad guns down kids
A suburban three-bedroom home in Randfontein looked like a scene from a horror movie yesterday morning after a gruesome family shooting.
Blood-soaked carpets and a mattress with bullet holes were being cleaned.
There was, however, nothing fictional about the father who allegedly shot his girlfriend in the head before shooting his two sleeping children, and finally himself.
There was blood on every wall, from the kitchen where the mother was shot to the baby-blue bedroom where the children were murdered.
Relatives named the couple as Victor Andreans, 50, and Althea James, 32. Their daughter was McKanzie, 5, and their son Crouz, 3.
Happy family portraits were on the fridge door.
Things turned ugly at 7am yesterday.

 

Power Saw Used In Plymouth Murder-Suicide

April 26, 2011
PLYMOUTH (CBS) – Police are trying to figure out what happened after a gruesome incident in Plymouth late Monday night.

Monday, an out-of-state friend called police, asking them to check on 49-year old Keith Lincoln and his wife Jetti.

When the two officers arrived, they apparently saw Keith Lincoln sitting in the front room of the rental home, with a circular power saw. He then turned it on, and in front of police, cut off his own leg.

“This was traumatic for the officers, ” said Plymouth Police Chief Mike Botieri. “To see a man take his own life in such a manner.”

The officers rushed into the home and tried to stop the bleeding, but it was to no avail. Lincoln later died.

But, the horrifying scene wasn’t over for the officers. They checked the bedroom and found Jetti Lincoln dead in a bed, along with the couple’s two dogs, who were also dead. She had been deceased for several days and may have died at the hands of her husband, using that power saw.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2011/04/26/power-saw-used-in-plymouth-murder-suicide/

 

Wow!

Moen and OKC you guys are really going at it on this one.

It doesn't happen often and you both know it but I'm with OKC on this one.

The points are there. Whether or not we agree in a political way this country is over run with guns. Yes, horrible things are done with them by some very sick and violent people.
Innocent people get killed, a madman goes loose on a college campus. Yes, these things happen unfortunately but "getting them off the streets" is not a realistic answer.

When gun bans are imposed in any particular city the "honest, law abiding citizens" may turn them in. I put the "honest and law abiding" in quotes for a purpose. You see, I am an "honest and law abiding" citizen but if the small city I live in decides to impose a gun ban I'll break the law. I will keep my gun for home protection.
I will be a criminal if I ever have to use it for home protection or the law starts going door to door conducting searches and finds it.

Those that are already NOT "honest and law abiding" will keep their guns regardless. Even if they do "lose" them there are other "honest and law abiding" citizens that may help them in replacing their loss.

It has happened recently where I live. THREE County Police Officers have been nailed for selling guns one normally couldn't acquire in, shall we say, an inappropriate manner.

A couple of Chicago cops have recently been nailed as well. Working for a gang basically. Raiding other gang's homes and confiscating drugs and guns and turning them over, not to the authorities, but to the gang for whom they worked.
Heck of a side job.

It's the same old, tired argument that is unfortunately true. Take guns out of people's hands and only the criminals will have them.

I agree with your sentiment Moen.
It would be great to get guns off the streets and out of the hands of the wrong people. Problem is it just isn't going to happen.

 

It's really not a question of totally eliminating guns entirely, it is more a question of not flooding society with so many guns that gun violence is completely unavoidable. I will keep posting stories of gun violence and we’ll see if Okie can keep up with me by posting stories of people saved by owning a gun for protection as the OP of this thread stated.
So far, Okie is being beaten badly and I’m just posting high profile current gun violence stories. If so many people are actually saved by owning guns as the justification for flooding society with guns, then Okie should have no problem matching my posts with current news stories about people defending themselves with guns. We’ll see.

From The Second Amendment Foundation:

Guns are also a valuable tool for self-defense. A gun is an equalizer. This means that a gun allows a small or un-athletic person to defend themselves from a criminal no matter how big or strong the criminal may be. Guns are also a great crime deterrent. When a criminal thinks you might be armed, he is less likely to choose you as a victim. The right to defend oneself from criminals is a basic human right, and a gun is one of the best tools to protect yourself, as well as your family, from crime. Forty-six percent of gun owners report owning guns for protection from crime. ​

 

From the Legal Community Against Violence, The LCAV:




Gun Violence Statistics



Introduction

The United States experiences epidemic levels of gun violence, claiming over 30,000 lives annually, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. For every person who dies from a gunshot wound, two others are wounded. Every year, more than 100,000 Americans are victims of gun violence. In addition to those who are killed or injured, there are countless others whose lives are forever changed by the deaths of and injuries to their loved ones.​

Gun violence touches every segment of our society. It increases the probability of deaths in incidents of domestic violence, raises the likelihood of fatalities by those who intend to injure others and among those who attempt suicide, places children and young people at special risk, and disproportionately affects communities of color.​

Mass shooting tragedies like the school shootings at Virginia Tech in April 2007 and Northern Illinois University in February 2008 – or the 1993 office shooting in San Francisco that led to the formation of Legal Community Against Violence – receive significant media attention. However, gun deaths and injuries in the U.S. usually occur quietly, without national press coverage, every day.​

Dang! That's going to make my part in this thread even harder.​

 

The Second Amendment is what it is. It was created for a reason, which is to be able to defend ourselves as long as we are abiding by local laws because each state is different. We do have the right to bear arms but the law does tell us that it must be unarmed and secured at all times. This is perfectly fine until you find yourself in your own home, in my opinion. The law should stay out of our home unless we are intentionally killing a person. This young mother was obviously taking control to save the life of her child. Who is man to take things out of her hands? At what point should she have waited before she shot him? I live on my own as well and if I were to own a gun, I would always leave it full with bullets. I'm not going to wait for an intruder to threaten my life and be there at their mercy. The law is what it is but it should never go beyond the barrier of your closed door into your home.

 

Mao Zedong famously said that "political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." Which may be the reason why once the Communist took power no one was allowed to own a gun or a bullet.
I believe Moen and I are on the same page with guns. People should have the right to own them but it should not be so easy to get them. I am sure Domestic Shootings would drop if a 60 day waiting period was imposed on anyone who passed the requirements to own a gun before they got their purchase. I am sure accidential deaths would drop if people were required to buy gun locks as well as take yearly gun renewal courses on gun safety to legally keep their guns. I think gun deaths would drop if anyone who did a crime with a gun got an additional 25 year consecutive sentence added to the sentence of their crime. And for Petes sake if someone is declared mentally disturbed or is on heavy anti-psy medication, doctors should be allowed and policed to report it so that it shows on a background check just like a serious criminal record does. Bad stuff would still happen, it always does but perhaps it would be less bad stuff.

 

Police: 2 people wounded in shooting at Mo. mall
Print By HEATHER HOLLINGSWORTH, AP
14 hours ago

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — A young man and woman were wounded Saturday in a shooting that locked down a suburban Kansas City mall and sent panicked shoppers running for cover.

Independence police spokesman Tom Gentry said two young men have been identified as persons of interest in the afternoon shooting at Independence Center. He said the two men had an altercation with the victims while going through a doorway and the shooting happened when the two pairs met up later.

Gentry said the victims were taken to a hospital with wounds that weren't considered life-threatening.

"Everything is fine, everything is secure" at the mall, Gentry told The Associated Press. "No one else is in a position to be harmed."

The mall, located about 10 miles east of Kansas City near Interstate 70, was locked down after the shooting and closed early. Mall officials did not immediately return a phone call to the AP for comment.

Police were interviewing a dozen or more witnesses. Gentry didn't know whether they were talking to the two persons of interest.

He said he didn't know where the shooting happened in the mall. But television station KMBC reported that the shooting happened just outside of the Sears store.

Police Capt. John Cato told the station that two people entering the store got into an argument. "That verbal altercation progressed into a physical altercation and eventually shots were fired," he said.

People left strollers behind in the parking lot because they were in such a rush to leave the mall, KSHB-TV reported.

"We just heard, `Pop, pop, pop,' and I literally just started screaming to my boss, `Run! There was gunshots.' And we just, we grabbed our stuff, shut the alarm on and just took off running," Andrew Boyce told KMBC. "I mean there were probably a couple of hundred people running toward the southeast exit."