Oh That Dreaded Health Care Law - Obama Cares!

You had better watch out where that takes you. You look to be a bit overweight. With your logic, why should I pay for you heart repairs, your diabetes, .... And then there is your exercise. If your don't, it is more heart, diabetes, etc., but if you do, then it is your knees, hips, etc. AKA death panels, right?

 

Under your proposal, what happens to the smoker who can't afford to pay?

 

Pain meds baby, pain meds.

 

I think you're being facetious.

 

Obamacare is not now. Nearly all has not gone into affect yet and a big chunk has not even been written. I cannot fathom how anyone can think that mandate is constitutional. On the other hand, the proposals I put forward are not new. All were presented to Obama, Pelosi, and Reid. I wonder why they have not become law?

 

Being a bit overweight as you say would disqualify most people in this country from health care including many children. We are a fat lot us Americans. Smoking is just a filthy personal habit that is purely a choice. I'll let you in on a secret. My mother died of lung cancer after smoking for 55 years. She knew what she was doing. She didn't seek treatment to cure her advanced stage cancer and managed her final days with pain medications. She accepted her responsibility and knew her fate. I wonder if you'll have the courage of this little old lady when your time comes?

 

You actually got some of my point. Remember, that slippery slope can get very steep!

BTW, do you realize that what you are talking about is setting up "death panels" just like in Obamacare (eventually will)?

 

Do you realize that was the biggest lie of the year for 2009? But for some reason, the truth seems to be less preferred than ideology to you.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/dec/18/politifact-lie-year-death-panels/

 

Seperate health insurance covergae from one's employment and watch how fast the competition decreases premiums! Not only will our premiums go down but pressure on the healthcare providers will lead to lower healthcare costs overall.

 

First off, my reference to you comment equating to "death panels" is the absolute truth. Please explain how your advocating "self inflicted" diseases should not be covered is anything other than a "death panel". As for saying Obamacare has or even will have "death panels", that is neither a lie nor the truth. It is a forecast. Since the regulations have not yet been written, you can scream all you want, but you cannot disprove it.

And have a very merry Christmas!

 

I don't think that I have to disprove a lie. It is what it is...FALSE! Smoking is a choice. If a drug addict, and smokers are really just drug addicts, decides to abuse their body with heroin, coke, meth, whatever, it doesn't take a death panel to see that this person is a self-abuser and that society shouldn't foot the bill for their drug habits. You do know that you are a drug addict right? Your drug is nicotine and just because we have an industry built around distributing this legal drug, it is still an addictive drug that you have to decide to imbibe. I've never smoked and I've obviously been around smokers most of my life. I decided NOT to become a drug addict. You decided otherwise and now the costs are mounting for the rest of us. How is that fair?

 

I'm not sure what you are advocating for here but since only 45% of the country has company-sponsored health insurance already, we are well on the way to having little in the way of company-sponsored health insurance anyway.

Only 45% of U.S. adults have company-sponsored health insurance, down from 49.1% three years ago, reports the Gallup-Healthways Well-Being Index released last week.
Meanwhile, one in six — 16.6% — have no health coverage, up from 14.8% in 2008, when Gallup-Healthways began tracking Americans’ health insurance coverage.
And who is having the toughest time getting employer-based coverage? Just over a third of blacks (38%) are covered by their employers. Among age groups, just half of those 27 to 35 — 50.6% — have a company health plan.
In terms of incomes, workers earning $36,000 to $89,999 had the lowest percentage of employer-sponsored insurance at 59.6%.
All demographic groups, however, showed a decline in employer coverage since 2008. (Click on chart to enlarge.)

Those who had the most likelihood of company health plans made $90,000 or more — 70.4% — and the highly-educated who had done post-graduate work — 65.3%
Seniors, most of whom are covered by Medicare, and 18- to 26-year-olds are least affected by the lack of employer health coverage.

 

I guess I needn't comment on your lies since "I don't think that I have to disprove a lie." BTW, you do realize that overeating is just as voluntary? And so is exercising? The last time I checked, they were not requirements, but then Obamacare is still a work in progress. Oh! And your supposed biography of me is just as wrong. But then I needn't comment on that either because "I don't think that I have to disprove a lie."

So the net of this whole thing is that you are now proposing that they set up "death panels" from Obamacare. After all your ranting, you are now endorsing them. How interesting.

Merry Christmas to you and yours!

 

Well, GEE! That is exactly what was expected by the sane majority as soon as Obamacare was passed. Are you just now catching on?

Merry Christmas and happy Hanukkah!

 

I'm just endorsing letting drug addicts die from there own choices. Heck, if I'd have said something like that during the Republican debates, I'd have been cheered by the crowd. So you are saying that you can't actually find anything in the new health care law that actually is a death panel but it is not a lie that they do exist because they might exist if there is futher legislation down the road that constitutes death panels? Hard to argue with logic like that since it has nothing to do with logic. By your definition, aliens definitely exist for sure because they might be discovered in the future. What doesn't exist using that logic?

 

Wow . . . how despicable is that statement? You've gone over the top before, but that is such an utter lie and indictment of people you don't even know or care to know. You do realize that you just stated that people approve of murder--and would even cheer it--just by virtue of being Republican?

 

One last time I will try. Obamacare requires many departments/agencies to write further regulations that will be incorporated into the law. There are 1800+ if memory serves me. Since most have not yet been written, you nor I have any idea what they will of will not say. This requires absolutely no further "legislation down the road". Nada! Zip! Zero! However, these regulations yet to be written likely will include some form of "death panels". Since you are advocating them, that ought to make you happy.

Happy Hanukkah!

 

Right there is where you lose all credibility. The regulations don't exist but you know that they will exist and death panels will be the result of these regulations. Hum? I think you're basically trying to pull an argument out of your ass here because your logic really stinks Carnac the Magnificent!

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My, oh my. Had you bothered to read my earlier posts in stead of of assuming you just might have picked that up before. And that I have never said death panels WILL exist, but rather that they will likely exist under Obamacare. However, I do know that the regulations will exist as they are required by the law. The problem with that forecast is that I really doubt that Obamacare will exist next summer.

What I said before was and remains

And have a very merry Christmas!

 

More proof of your unwillingness to behave in a reasonable and respectful manner with anyone that has an opinion contrary to you own.