Occupy movement magnet for violence.

Brainwashed? Hardly lol ...I am, and always have been, and individually-minded person. I take nothing for granted and I don't immediately believe everything I see or hear... ever. I fact-check as much as I can, and for almost everything, I look at it from a 'more-likely-than-not' point-of-view. So bite me, oh spreader of right-wing propaganda lol

Now, I asked to see the evidence and said I'd comment on whether or not I believe it was true or not. From what I have seen and read so far, your accusation... that the Occupiers "knocked an elderly woman down a flight of stairs" is false.

I found that the Occupiers had clasped each others arms together on the stairs as the woman was attempting to go down those stairs. That the Occupiers blocked access to the building that Dolores (the elderly woman) was attempting to leave was wrong, and I believe some of the Occupiers realized it as well, as the woman (with assistance from someone from the building) began to try to push her way through. At one point the Occupiers unclasped their hands and the woman tumbled down the stairs. Now, if your right-wing propaganda meter is working correctly you'll notice I said blocking access was wrong, and that's what you should be complaining about. I'd also say not catching Dolores as she fell was wrong too. I wasn't there though, and seriously doubt the Occupiers intentionally caused her harm. The Occupiers are wrong for blocking the doors (they had surrounded the Koch building) and not guiding Dolores out through the crowd safetly.

Since you like bold-type, and because I feel it is necessary: The occupiers did not knock an elderly woman down a flight of stairs... they did not do what your right-wing masters have said they did to make a statement. Your right-wing masters are spreading lies again. That you spread this kind of propaganda as truth is why you lack credibility with myself and Moen.

See?

 

I won't even try to play semantics with you, but if it happened exactly as you describe, they would be guilty of obstruction, trespassing, and assault.

BTW, how do you explain this?

http://politicons.net/occupy-dc-pro...d-woman-down-cement-stairs-at-afp-conference/

 

...guilty of obstruction? Yes. Trespassing? Not necessarily, the stairs may have been private, but that hasn't been established as fact. Assault? Absolutely not.

Additionally: I do find them guilty of not helping her safetly through the crowd, but that isn't a crime in and of itself.

What? You want me to debunk this too? (shrugs) Why not?

One: The AFP are a group that despises the Occupiers, they don't agree with the Occupiers goals and dislike that the Occupiers are 'stealing some of their thunder' in the Press. So, here's Ray, a confirmed member of the AFP giving an account of the incident via an email. The email doesn't state whether Ray is giving a first-hand account, or a second-hand account, or even a third-hand account. What he's relaying is information about "the second woman the police are helping up" in the video filmed on-scene.

Now, what "explaining" do you think I need to do here? Are you representing that this is absolute proof that the Occupiers pushed an elderly woman down a flight of stairs, as has been suggested by the right-wing propagandists (who used the term "kicked" in some instances instead of pushed), and debunked by myself here in this thread? If so, do you believe I've incorrectly debunked this video or email?

Explain yourself.

 

If the truth were known, the members of the Flea Party probably brutally kicked the elderly woman down the stairs and, based on behavioral reports at some of their protests, probably raped her, stole something from her, infected her with tuberculosis and norovirus, urinated and defecated on her, stabbed her, shot her, left trash on her and infested her with fleas.

 

I hear they do that. Must be true since it's being said... I mean look, there it is in print! It must be true!

 

The Corporate Storm Troops, obviously threatened by the violent and and aggressive behavior of the UC Davis protesters, attempt to protect themselves.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6AdDLhPwpp4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmJmmnMkuEM

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/19/uc-davis-to-probe-use-of-pepper-spray-on-students/

 

"You just don't get it. Those protestors had thoughts of pushing an old lady down some stairs and that spray actually kills fleas."

OMG, if I had known that.... We'll, I mean that changes everything doesn't it? Bad Protestors. Vicious Protestors. Soon to be Flea-free Protestors.

 

Let's, at least, try to look at this objectively. Say that there is a crazy man sitting in the road on a street and blocking traffic. Just sitting there perhaps singing to himself or chanting. The police come out and try to talk him into moving not only for his own safety, but to allow free access to the road for the drivers. But, the man continues to sit there... and sit there... and sit there. Would you agree with the use of Pepper Spray in an effort to get the man to move? What about a fire hose? What about bean-bag bullets? What about physical force?

 

Pepper spray incapacitates people and makes them unable to move. It seems like if you want peaceful people to move, pepper spray is the wrong way to do it. Pepper stray was way over the line. Do these people look aggressive to you? Hardly! The part where they fight you and then you win has begun and the end is near for the powers that be.

 

Any action by another private individual that prevents another person from having freedom of movement is probably illegal. You have students blocking the walkway and two walls of people I presume to be students blocking the sides of the walkways. There are ways of being passively aggressive and threatening. I don't see how anyone can possibly justify these "Occupy" movements any longer. I agree that they may have had a purpose in the beginning--although I still maintain that they had no unifying message. In my opinion, all they are now is a collection of bullies and thugs--and they still have no unifying message.

 

I've been sprayed with Pepper Spray and, believe me, the very first thing you want to do is move. It certainly does not incapacitate or make you unable to move.

Additionally, I just can't agree with those protesters blocking that road and inhibiting free passage for all persons. I can just imagine what these protesters are costing the taxpayers just in police presence alone!

Also, it appears that most people are getting tired of their antics. The Flea Party is losing popularity with the American public:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/11/occupy-wall-street-favor-fading.html

 

See what I mean. You can't attack the argument. Instead you fall back on petty insults.

Thank you for providing proof to back up my statements.

 

Is that what you would have told African-Americans during the 60's? Just because something is legal does not make it right. It was legal to arrest African-Americans for drinking from the wrong fountain, using the wrong bathroom or riding on the wrong part of the bus. Would you have told Rosa Parks to just move along because she was violating the right to access for the white people on the bus?

Here is what you probably would have said back then.

I don't understand why that black woman doesn't just move. She is violating the laws by not giving that white person her seat. I don't understand why these black people just don't give up. They aren't going to change anything. There aren't enough of them to make any real change. They should just give up. Anyway they are just a bunch of dirty black people who really should be at work washing my clothes and cleaning my house.

Where would society be today without the great Civil Disobedience actions of the past? The fact that you really don't have a valid argument says it all.

 

The fact that people like you all can sit here and justify attacking peaceful protesters with pepper spray is amazing. It is actually pretty sad and shows, to me, that you are the one without compassion for other people. Ya'll will set here and cry fowl every time someone post some little thing about a illegitimate actions by the OWS people, but justify it in your mind when the police do something wrong.

I guess you are OK with the police in Berkelely beating them with baton's, too.

 

Just for grins, which of your petty insults don't you think she answered?

 

I would like for you to point out where I insulted anyone. Anyone on the entire forum. If you can provide evidence for me calling someone a name or attacking their intelligence I will make a thread just to say I am sorry. C'mon. I dare you.

 

FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE I ATTACK FOX TOO MUCH: I just watched some of the news-team on FOX denounce the act. Now, that's some members of the FOX news-team... is it too much to hope that more people will denounce this too? Or are you too brainwashed into hating the Occupy Movement in general to even try?

 

I can't say that myself... ... I'm guilty lol

 

The exact quote she responded to;

Just which line in there is a supportable fact? Every line I read as nothing more than an insult to the right.