Occupy movement magnet for violence.

I hear they're not received by any family with reputation in the whole of Charleston, and perhaps all of South Carolina.

 

Too many Rhett Butlers and not enough Ashley Wilkes-es?

 

Football attracts the worst elements of society. Some of them have been arrested for drug abuse, rape, gambling and steroid abuse. Football should therefore be restricted or eliminated.

There is plenty of evidence that football attracts criminals so why aren't people trying to get their right to play restricted. It could be because that line of thinking is retarded just like painting all OWS protesters as criminals because some of those involved are criminals.

 

Are you still hanging on to the belief the Flea Baggers are non-violent?

 

Good point. For every Michael Vick, there is a Drew Brees. For every OWS protestor who tears down a fence, there is at least one that peacefully chants and holds a sign. That doesn't change the fact, however, that Vick is a violent ex-con and that some OWS protestors do engage in violence. You can't choose to focus only on the charity-supporting family men and sign-holding peaceful chanter and deny the violent criminals just because they are inconvenient and interfere with the desired narrative.

 

Until you can provide evidence that all protesters connected to the movement are engaging in violence then they are. Once again. Just because a few people who have connected themselves with the movement have engaged in violence does NOT make the movement violent.

 

Yeah, keep telling yourself that.
Judging from the way lib leaders are now distancing themselves from the chaos it would seem you are desperately hanging on to a belief most of your peers have long since abandoned. Heck, Queen Lib & OWS leader Roseanne Barr hasn't even shown her mug on tv in weeks and where's Michael Moore been? Back at the mansion with his servants?

 

I don't know of anyone who has pretended that there haven't been violent people attaching themselves to the movement. Is the number of violent actors within the entire population of the OWS movement worldwide statistically relevant enough to declare the movement violent? The answer is no. Just like the number of sex criminals within the entire population of the Republican/Democrat Party or drug abusers within the entire population of sport players isn't statistically relevant enough to declare the parties/sports themselves as criminals.

However, in my discussions in many areas I find that the overwhelming majority of comments against the movement are attempting to do just that. It seems the only response that certain portions of the populace have. At the moment anyhow. In the beginning, they tried insisting that the movement didn't have any concrete ideas, but that idea was debunked pretty quickly. The next reply was that it just wouldn't last, but that didn't work. It became they will never be able to survive the winter after that, but the movement started making preparations to do just that. Finally, the opponents settled on the fact that some crimes were taking place and managed to blow that into a full-blown condemnation against the movement. The last one worked because you could find evidence that some of the protesters were engaging in those things. The corporate owned government was happy because they could use that small percentage of bad actions as a rationale to move in with force. However, that is actually just causing changes to the mechanisms and actually causing the movement to grow. This is happening because the movement is organic instead of mechanical. It is also why the corporate owned government will eventually fall because an organic movement will just adapt to the stresses just like a species adapts to changing environmental forces.

 

Perhaps this change of opinion is a result of what is happening? Can you deny the crime & violence is getting worse the longer this element lingers?

 

Here is what you don't get. We don't care about who you consider to be the Lib leaders. We don't care about Roseanne Barr or Michael Moore. We don't care about Nancy Pelosi or Dennis Kucinich. They are part of the corrupt system the OWS movement is trying to remove and/or fix.

I can't say for sure, but I can hazard a guess why people like Moore and Barr disappeared as quickly as they appeared. They saw the stuff on TV and thought that they could latch on to the movement. However, when they got to the protest they found that their reception wasn't as rosy as they hoped and they left. Do you know why they didn't get the reception that they expected. It was because a person willing to spend a million dollars on a car has nothing in common with the protesters and are, instead, one of the people they are protesting against.

Try and remember that when you listen to talk radio and the figureheads are talking about people like Moore, Barr, Kucinich and Pelosi. They are a part of the problem and they aren't going to get any long term traction with the movement.

 

Define worse. Is the percentage of acts increasing or are the numbers of incidents adding up as time goes on? I haven't seen any evidence of an increase in occurrence on a daily basis. O'Reilly saying it doesn't make it so.

 

More occurences of crime?

Now, I see who is buying into the far left talking points....just because I don't agree with your flawed ideology doesn't mean my opinions come from talk radio, FOX or any other outlet. In fact, I'll state this again since you are new here....I don't watch FOX and I don't listen to talk radio (except for Dave Ramsey who is on in the mornings when I take the kids to school & on my commute to work). So, you can stop believing those lefties who tell you otherwise.

 

Yes, more occurrence of crime. Is the rate of crime increasing among the participants? Simple question. Provide evidence of an increase in crime rate among OWS protesters. Not the amount of crimes that have occurred in total, but proof that the groups are becoming inherently and statistically more violent.

The attempt to paint the OWS as a bunch of violent criminals started with Glen Beck and O'Reilly in October. If you are using that line of argument you are relying on an idea created by them which has infiltrated the political right. They started the conversation, the Internet pundits spread it and eventually the entire right has started relying on this argument.

 

Okay, so Beck (who is off on his own little tangent) and O'Reilly have their talking points. What about actual news reports? You can counter talk show personalities all you want, but where is your counter of actual news reports?

 

I don't deny that there have been criminal and violent acts. I do not agree that they are significant enough in number or participation to classify the OWS movement as violent as is being done in the media or by people like David. The majority of the protests and protesters have been non-criminal and non-violent. I haven't seen any information that counters that opinion. However, if someone can point out the data that confirms that the protest and the protesters are all violent and/or criminals then I would change my mind. There is no data that does this. The same goes for arguments that they are all unemployed, lazy, unsanitary, selfish moochers who don't want to exhibit any responsibility. BTW: All which have been used to write off the movement instead of addressing the issue they have raised.

 

I think the much, much greater issue is the First Amendment right to free assembly and free speech not whether or not there are petty crimes being committed by or inflicted on the OWS protesters. More specifically, it states, that:
The First Amendment prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.

The erosion of this preeminent right vastly outweighs any consideration of criminal behavior real or imagined by the Right-wing media. The same people that slap us all in the face with the Constitution every chance they get seem perfectly willing to ignore the most basic right we as citizens have for the sake of over emphasized, isolated, overblown incidences that attempt to hide a very political agenda that protects the 1% above all else. Let’s see how that works out for them.

 

The "majority have been non-criminal and non-violent"! Wow! 51% are non-criminal and non-violent! Great criteria you are hold them up to. My guess is that if you were to poll the prisons, you would find a higher percentage purporting to be "non-criminal and non-violent".

BTW, so far today they have only arrested 25 in NYC. http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/11756737/occupy-wall-street-activists-plan-new-rally/

 

Do you by any chance have any actual facts/figures to back up your claim that 49% of those involved are criminals/violent or are you simply plucking numbers out of thin air? if so please do provide links so the rest of us can share

 

Nonsense. I've said from the very beginning that I encourage the Flea Party protesters to assemble. I don't think anyone on this forum is against the Flea Party's right to freedom of speech. I don't like their message, but I would never deny them the right to speak.

 

Oh, dear God! An officer was slashed at the NY OWS protest:

Violence Escalates at 'Occupy' Protests in New York City

A New York City police officer was slashed during Thursday's "Occupy Wall Street" action-- and a second cop was taken to a local hospital with an eye injury-- after clashes between protesters and activists across lower Manhattan, sources told FoxNews.com.

Both officers are said to be in stable condition, although the incident marked an escalation of tension in the uneasy give-and-take between NYPD officers charged with maintaining order, and protesters determined to be heard. The officer sustained the injury after a long day of marches and demonstrations by protesters across Manhattan's Financial District. Here's what happened, according to law enforcement sources.

Prompted by unknown reasons, a single officer, on-duty at the time, waded into a mass of protesters in Zuccotti Park. Once there, the officer called for back-up. Two additional officers responded to the call for help and joined the original one. Something was thrown at eye of the original officer, perhaps an irritant, said law enforcement sources at the scene. Then, moments later, something "sharp" was thrown at one of other officers providing back-up, causing a deep gash on this thumb, the source said.

The officer hit in the eye was taken to Bellevue Hospital, where his injured eye was "flushed out," said a law enforcement source. The second cop was taken to an as-yet unidentified local hospital, where he was due to receive numerous stitches to close the gash on his hand, law enforcement sources told FoxNews.com.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/17/occupy-protestors-march-on-new-york-stock-exchange/#ixzz1dzmeLyTH​