Occupy movement magnet for violence.

Up to now I've been somewhat dismissive of RW claims that the OWS camps are not only hotbeds of rudeness and bad attitudes but magnets for those bent on violence and confrontation. But my mind is changing after reading the story of how the Metropolitan Police in London dealt with the threat of violent activity which they had reason to believe would break out at the Occupy London camp in front of St Paul's Cathedral.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/nov/11/edl-arrests-london-occupy-armistice-day?newsfeed=true

 

Huh??? They looked like British Brown Shirts. First threaten them with violence and actually give it a date. Then on that date get a couple hundred of your closest friends and march down in mass to attack the protesters you disagree with. So incompetent are these thugs that they didn't even realize that the police had a plant in their midst and they were ambushed just before they were about to commit violence against the protesters. My guess is British football fans one and all.

 

I'll bet BO-mentor Bill Ayers is sitting back, just licking his chops, waiting for an opportunity to strike. Remember, on 9/11 he publically stated we wished the Weather Underground had "done more".
Wonder if the admin has him & his wife on a watchlist for domestic terrorists (and prospective dinner guests)?

 

I know. Very Left Wing, don't you think? <sarc>

 

The EDL is to the right of the British political spectrum, normally they have confined themselfs to fighting the Muslim counterpart organisation the "Muslims against Crusades" who have been outlawed and declared as a terrorist organisation by the Goverment so the EDL is looking for a new adversary

 

I know. I read a little bit about them before making the post. Saying that they are to the right of the British political spectrum seems like kind of an understatement.

 

Not really, there is a fringe element that is quite extreem but the majority of those in it do not belong to the far right, nor are they all white. The media has painted them as been the new right wing bovver boys but in reality the BNP and it's ilk still hold that mantle

 

Wait. How does the actions of an extreme right wing group with a history of police involvement in the past serve as any indication of anything about OWS? Also the police arrested this group of right wing extremist because they were threatening to harm innocent peaceful protesters. Good. Attacking someone be it verbally or physically for an idea or argument is tantamount to admitting you lack the cognitive abilities to state your opposition rationally. Glad no one got hurt.

 

Thank you De Orc. More stuff to Google. Need to catch up on the BNP.

 

I think what's being missed here is the sarcastic intent. I had no idea I was so subtle

 

This is a rarity though... that the police actively protected an Occupy group. Usually the police are unhappy with their presence, and probably are in this case, but that they focused on the anti-Occupy element's attempt at violence is a rare positive moment for the two groups (police and Occupiers).

How long will cities tolerate the Occupiers has always been a difficult question. While peaceful, the Occupiers are essentially engaging in an unlawful protest. As I understand it the usual way is to purchase permits that allow protest in certain locations for a limited amount of time. With these protests it appears the cities either have giving exceptions to those permits or are allowing it to continue because of the public response to them. Either way though, that the Occupiers have been tolerated this long shows a restraint on the cities part I didn't think they'd have.

How long can these protests go on? How long can they be tolerated by the cities they're held in? In the North, Winter is coming (or already here, I have snow in my yard) and tents are a misery in Winter for most. Cities might want them out so they don't freeze to death lol

 

Yeah, I guess I watch too much political news. Satire turned reality.

 

Well there are cities that are very welcoming as well. It's different all across the country. As far as wintering over goes I say let them have at it. They have plenty of veterans at a lot of those protests, if they got the same kind of training I did surely they can help figure something out.

 

I agree that the Occupiers can stay there indefinitely...I know I could... but wonder what will happen over time as the cities lawyers get into it more and more. That some cities are welcoming to the Occupiers is a very good sign, but as you said, it varies from city to city.

 

Well some cities will crack down for sure. Look at Oakland, those cops are pretty aggressive to the violent and non-violent alike. The more that happens the more attention it gets. The more attention it gets through social media and people seeing what's going on for themselves they will see it's not this big partisan based thing. It's about regaining control of our government from the seekers of plutocracy. I'll talk morals and governmental spending and all the rest of it later. But right now our country is ran by corrupt men and women. They have even been so bold as to use judges to declare their bribery of public officials a constitutional right!

Or the plutocrats with their mainstream media could win and keep us all divided by confusing the picture and clouding the issues and keeping us fighting amongst ourselves based on our cultural differences. We need to let them stop using us like that.

 

The county where Memphis,TN is located are having "secret meetings" about how to deal with the protesters in Memphis. How you can consider a meeting you announce to the world as secret I don't know. I do expect that a lot of cities are going to start cracking down. They already show evidence of jumping on any excuse to attack.

 

But the police at part of the 99%, right? Plus they are most likely unionized.
Why would the police have any issue with the Flea Baggers other than the fact they have devolved into a criminal gang? You know..the rapes, shootings, theft, drugs, trafficking in minors, mob violence? Yea, that stuff.

 

David you keep bringing this up so I have to ask, at how many of the protests have they developed into criminal gangs/mob violence, at how many have there been rapes, shootings, theft, drugs, trafficking to minors? are you not painting every protester with the same brush based on the actions of a very small minority?
Has there been mass rioting/looting across America as that is the hall mark of criminal gangs/mob violence in these situtions.
Certainly no one would deny that there is a certain element who thrive on joining such events with the sole intention of causing trouble, but you are claiming that all those protesting are such people were is your evidence to support such a claim?

 

How many do you want? I've posted probably 25 different links here myself. Google it, you may be shocked.

 

And than when you go beyond Oakland, there are probably even more.