WHY RON PAUL IS OUR BEST 2012 PRESIDENTIAL PICK!

Did I miss something here? When did HollysMom even mention "black people" or the "black community"? Where in the world did you come up with that?

 

No, that was not what I was attempting to do--not at all. I just chose two extreme examples, one black and one white to avoid that kind of argument being made. You chose that negative spin, not me. You made a comment about voters under 30. David called you on it, stating that Obama had chased the young persons' vote. Both Obama Girl (25-year-old Amber Lee Ettinger) and the Detroit woman who was looking for "Obama money" were both under 30 (Ettinger definitely, the other probably) and were both blinded by Obama's ideology. That was the extent of my thinking. I have no problem with the vast majority of people in this world. I certainly do not judge people solely on their race or faith (or lack of faith) and know far too many people of African American descent to make generalizations in any way.

You have no right to attempt to make my argument into a racial thing and I will not dignify your oblique accusation with further discussion after this post. Seeing racial discrimination in everything is your issue, not mine. I would appreciate it if you'd stop trying to project bias onto me where it does not exist. I am not a perfect person and so I do have biases, but I am generally willing to disclose those biases when I make a post supporting an argument.

 

The only reason the Right-wing can't abide any conversations about racial inequality, bigotry, racism, or anything related is because they know before the words are even out of the gate, they already look bad. So instead, they rail against the entire conversation topic rather than admit that they have been on the wrong side of the issue since the days of slavery. If you can't even acknowledge the facts and existence of bigotry, racism, and racial inequality, you certainly have no right to attack others for not only being on the right side of the issue but also you can't speak with any credibility on the issues either. Even if you yourself do not believe that you are racist in any way, you support an ideology that actively supports racism and that makes you at a minimum an indirect racist. Deal with it.

 

So, because people disagree with you they are racists and bigots? (Please don't push my buttons today--I am not interested in dealing with ideological claptrap and honestly don't want an involuntary vacation from the forums.)

 

I thought that you were already done anyway. If you incorrectly paraphrase what I am saying, and you certainly are, that really isn't refuting my points. My point was that when you have so many prominent RW'ers making openly racist statements with impunity, and you have one party that works in concert to disenfranchise minorities, and you have people like Christie saying that the civil right movement should have been put to a referendum, and you have Colorado republicans calling the president a tar baby, and you have Gingrich saying that blacks have no work ethic and equating them with welfare recipients, and you have people like Breitbart creatively editing videos to make black women sound racist, and.... well there just begins to be an undeniable pattern whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. Like I said, that doesn't make every single RW'er a racist nor does it mean that being a Democrat makes you automatically not a racist, but racism is far, far more tolerated and played to, and as we've seen here, never acknowledged for what it is by those supporting the RW. Your lack of being able to see something does not translate to the rest of us not being able to see it. Do you even acknowledge that this country is one of the more racist countries in the industrialized world? Can you even see that? Probably not.

 

HM, that's the way Moen operates. One can't say "Good morning" without him labeling one a racist. He will respond with something like, "It's only 'good' because Republicans built modern society on the backs of African slaves" and "It's only 'morning' because the weight of the dead bodies of slaves killed by Republicans keep the earth in proper rotation around the sun".

 

Perhaps he has his own self diagnosis?

 

Yeah, the racial component of this discussion was raised by moen. Go figure.
I went back & re-read the last few pages & couldn't find anything that had a racist slant to it. It is beyond me why he tries to make everything ultimately about race.

 

And absolutely none of your diatribe has anything to do with this thread or with my post.

I made the mistake of trying to make a balanced observation about the under-30 crowd. I guess he's bigoted and racist, too, because he's assuming that only white conservatives under the age of 30 are stupid and can be misled.

 

To be honest and to also not take back anything I've already said, I took your post to mean that you were talking about the "Obama Girl" only and the money reference was hers not some other person's. I only realized later when you said that you had included one black person and one white person that was your intent, BUT, none of that changes anything I've said.

Even bringing up the topic of race makes the Right just so damn uncomfortable that they have to rail at the topic rather than actually discuss it. There is just so much baggage for the Right to avoid that you can't even acknowledge the questions that I posed at the end of my last post. You guys just can't talk about race issues for fear of the self-realization that your political party is and has been on the wrong side of the race issue forever. Just like your party is on the wrong side of the gay issue, the wrong side of the wealth inequality issue, the wrong side of the women's reproductive issue, and on and on...

It's like when the issue of Romney having a 15% tax rate on millions of dollars in income while people making 40,000 pay far higher percentages of their income. What does Romney do? He tries to change the topic to, "You are envious of the wealthy, you are for class warfare, you are against capitalism, you hate the free market system", when no one is saying any such thing but Romney needs to change the subject to something he'd rather talk about than income inequality. Income inequality is the issue and by income inequality I mean special treatment of the rich while the poor don't have high paid lobbyists to look out for their interests. Romney won't talk about that anymore than the RW’ers here can actually have a conversation about racism in this country. They just can’t do it.

 

Really, and what community were you referring to with this comment? We on the Left understand the dog whistle language of the Right even if they use it without a second thought.

 

If there was a thread about racism, then it would be appropriate to discuss it. However, you can't blame every problem on racism and you can't say that only people on the right are racist. Racism is a huge problem in this country, yes, but it is equally a black on white problem as it is a white on black problem and other races also have prejudices. Same thing with other issues that, while relevant in themselves, are irrelevant to the discussions in which you try to interject them. You have *no* cause to call me racist or anyone else racist unless you know them. You have no right to call me or anyone homophobic, unless you know them. I *completely* believe that these issues are only important to you in their value in terms of derailing threads, since that's how you use them. If I thought for one minute that there was a possibility of reasonable discussions about any "controversial" issues with you, then I'd happily do so. However, there is absolutely no hope of that since you let your hatred of the right overwhelm every idea of value that you might express in such situations. You constantly look for racism in every thread here and *that's why you find it.* You admitted that you fired off your post because you didn't see the point I was making, but it's easier to point fingers of accusation (as evidenced by your avatar) than it is to look for clarification.

So, Moen, going back to the under-30 crowd how do *you* perceive them? Share your thoughts, please, on how you think they will affect this next election and respond to our observations about the last one.

P.S. I think it's mighty odd that you identify yourself as being "from the Land of Lincoln" when you hate the GOP so much.

 

Have a nice weekend.

 

Ron Paul has no chance. The ruler of this country rigged the election to pick up their own puppet because they control the voting system. They justify the result by faked poll because they control media.

Here is the proof. People found Ron Paul is the most popular candidate in Internet. Because Internet is open place. Ron Paul got most support from military, that's can't be rigged because the donation is there.

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I still say Paul has no chance because this is a covert totalitarian. They control election system and play you people fool.
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Just look at how 'successful' Ron Paul was against John McCain and Mitt Romney in his bid for the 2008 nomination. He led all kinds of gallup and straw polls, he even led the way in raising funds via internet campaigning...yet how much success did he have in securing the nomination?

 

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* He has never voted to raise taxes.

* He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.

* He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.

* He has never voted to raise congressional pay.

* He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.

* He voted against the Patriot Act.

* He voted against the Iraq war.

* He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t836078/

 

Ron Paul does NOT want to become President. His intention is to get his message out to the people, but he has NO intention of securing the nomination.

 

This says it all

 

Thousands Gather In Standing room only for Ron Paul in Kansas City Union Station February 18, 2012

 

Voter Fraud Declared at Christian County, Missouri GOP Caucus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OuQIMfMVMYg

 

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