WHY RON PAUL IS OUR BEST 2012 PRESIDENTIAL PICK!

Hello all!

I urge you to get involved with Ron Paul's 2012 presidential campaign! Dr. Paul is our best presidential candidate because of his consistent commitment to liberty and defense of our Constitution and the rights it secures. Dr. Paul was a military veteran, an obstetrician who delivered over 3000 babies, and has been elected Congressman 11 times. Paul just recently released his economic plan to restore America which essentially consists of getting rid of foreign aid to other nations, keeping our military at home as defense and by not unsustainably expanding our military operations abroad, and by cutting taxes and getting rid of government programs that the people could do better to maintain themselves. He vows to take a salary of $39,000, which is the median American income today! Dr. Paul correctly predicted the housing bubble of 2008 using his love of Austrian free-market economics. Dr. Paul is the only candidate who will work to audit and end the Federal Reserve, whose damaging economic policies stifle our freedom to coin and control our own currency. Dr. Paul will work to remove destructive executive orders which have been issued from the Oval Office and instead allow the U.S. government to operate as the Founding Fathers had asked it to. Dr. Paul's anti-war, pro-life stances are admirable enough to garner the support of both the left and right, respectively! Ron Paul is the champion of liberty and embodiment of American ideals!

Ron Paul has the virtuous character that we need in order to fix this country! His commitment to fostering liberty in government makes him stand out as the frontrunner in this race and he is steadily gaining the support of voters, having won Ohio's straw poll, last week, with double the votes of Herman Cain who took second! Please get involved and make President Paul's message heard and please vote for him and get others to do so!

 

I'm torn when it comes to Ron Paul I'm torn. I appreciate the fact that he is maybe the only honest politician left in Washington, I admire his ability to see the causes of so many of our current problems years before they happened. No doubt about it, he is a much better candidate than anyone else in the field. The only problem I have is I don't know if a totally free market is the correct way to go about fixing things.

For Ron Paul part of being free is the freedom to starve, and to be honest I'm a lot closer to starving than I am of having tons of money. So the idea of having no safety nets available doesn't really mesh with me. If I wanted to live in the jungle where it's kill or be killed I could think of a few places I'd rather live than here.

But the serious question I have about Ron Paul's whole plan is this. Who stops monopolies from forming? Now have I missed something in his message? Does he cover this? Also I dismiss the "philosophy" of Ayn Rand outright and so from a philosophical point of view I have some misgivings as well.

 

Ron Paul's political policies do little for anyone other than those that already have everything. He might as well be the status quo protector. Libertarianism assumes that everyone has an equal chance to achieve and that we all start in the same place. If that were actually true, I'd be all for libertarianism. But I live on this planet and social inequities abound from racial discrimination to treating women like second class citizens. If I had any interest in cementing the positions of those that have gotten where they have gotten through any means possible to the detriment of others, Libertarianism would be the route I'd choose.
I have an idea for Ron Paul. Let's take all the money in the country and pass it out to everyone equally. Those who make it big without the benefit of institutional racism, sexism, corruption, and bribery, get to keep all the money they earn. That would be a Libertarian test I'd be willing to participate in.

 

Ron Paul problem is not that he is Libertarian, it is that he is too far Right in his economic beliefs.

 

Ron Paul's opinion represent the voice of most Americans. That's why he always won big in straw poll.

But he has no chance. Because this country is a covert totalitarian. The election machine is controlled by the Feds. They will use all their resource to suppress Ron Paul.

You seldom saw Ron Paul's winning news in mainstream media. They only report Romney, Perry or Bachmann. The ruling class have their own candidates. They regulate the game. You only learn Paul's news in Internet.

The ruling class takes care for their own interest - war profit. They rule the country by controlled intelligence and media. They select politicians through rigged election and justify the election result through the fake poll done by media.

Unless you reform the election system, the real popular Ron Paul will never have a chance.

 

Actually, straw polls are about as far from a gauge of the 'voice of most Americans' as you can get. Some are won by the candidate who feeds people the best or trucks the most people in. And very few people participate. Ron Paul won the Illinois straw poll, a state with a population of about 13 million people, with a little over 1800 votes total.

The rest of your post I actually agree with parts of.

 

It's a shame there isn't really anyone I want to vote for in 2012. The Republican field is terrible and Obama hasn't been much better. I vote but only out of principle, and I'm not sure I'm willing to do that any more. I live in Tennessee so I'm pretty sure my vote will be outweighed here. But when the choice is between a well spoken articulate person who caves to every demand or a clown who proudly promotes actions that are contradictory to my well being why bother making a choice?

 

Because things can always get worse.

 

IndigenousThinker Check out Mises.org. The PEOPLE stop monopolies from forming by exercising to create their own small businesses to oppose the ones they don't like as well as not patronizing businesses that have immoral or unfavored practices. You cut of the blood supply to a vampire, i.e. MONEY, they starve to death!

The free market is NOT kill or be killed, without safety nets! With today's legislation, we can have FAR FEWER safety nets than we could have in a FREE MARKET! Safety nets created by government are firstly immorally STOLEN from citizens, "TAXATION IS THEFT", and secondly are LESS EFFICIENT, BENEVOLENT, ABLE TO APPLY CUTTING EDGE PRINCIPLES than FREE CHARITIES can do! There is always danger in the world but there is FAR MORE SAFETY with those who pursue FREEDOM! When a government protects the liberty of citizens, THEY CAN INVENT THEIR OWN SOLUTIONS! Government-controlled charity devolves into a POLICE STATE - sometimes, yes, SECURITY IS MUCH WORSE THAN THE "FREEDOM" TO STARVE TO DEATH! Why do you think that Patriots like PATRICK HENRY spoke, "GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH!" ?! That's because living in tyranny is WORSE than being dead! We need people to defend the liberties that America has fought for and none will do better than that than RON PAUL!

MOEN1305, RP'S Policies do EVERYTHING for "those who don't already have everything"! Or, maybe, in answering what you're saying, yes, in the free market there are no hand-outs - BUT ABUNDANT OPPORTUNITIES! The government doesn't "DO THINGS FOR YOU"; YOU DO THINGS FOR THE GOVERNMENT! The free market is a bastion of SELF-RELIANT INDIVIDUALS who work with LOCAL COMMUNITY AID and don't look to live in a NANNY STATE WHERE THE GOV'T TAKES CARE OF YOU! Libertarianism DOES NOT ASSUME that everyone starts off at the same place - THE STRONG can help THE WEAK exercise the liberty respective to their ABILITIES! You want to PASS OUT ALL THE MONEY EQUALLY?! That would be the destruction of MERIT, which is the moral rewarding of people based on the EFFORT THEY PUT IN! That destroys INCENTIVE to act! No, instead we should focus on JUST WAGES to people based on how well they work and how often, etc.! Equality of persons is a FANTASY, but equality of OPPORTUNITY is certainly DESIRABLE! Only a free market can give that equality of opportunity; when people try to FORCE women and men to be equal or other races, we don't allow the FREE COMPETITION of individuals to allow them to PROSPER or FAIL. Women and Men, Races - they are NOT EQUAL! I say this with a respect for differences that seems to be FORGOTTEN today! If women and men were entirely equal, we would NOT HAVE women's and men's sports teams SEPARATELY! But each person should have the OPPORTUNITY to compete to show how good they are at given actions - SOME GIRLS ARE SMARTER THAN GUYS, VICE VERSA! But without liberty, in the future we could get a WORSE KIND OF SEXISM: Government mandated equality when some men or women try to show off their SUPERIOR TRAITS, etc. THE WEAK and DISCRIMINATED AGAINST should enter into the DAVID AND GOLIATH struggle of life and ALWAYS REMEMBER: It was DAVID who won, NOT GOLIATH! Anyone who reads or listens to what RON PAUL says consistently understands he is the COMMON PERSON'S CHOICE! Liberty has its burdens, but TYRANNY IS LESS PREFERABLE THAN DEATH!

RON PAUL will only not win if we keep THINKING he won't. I REFUSE TO THINK THAT WAY ANYMORE! Many who I talk to say, "I love RON PAUL, but I don't think he'll get elected..." WELL, STOP SAYING THAT AND YOU REVERSE THE TIDE, SELF-FULFILLING PROPHECY! I've seen a LOT of successful enthusiastic grassroots support and DR. PAUL is making MANY WAVES in policy and getting out the message of liberty! KEEP UP THE FIGHT! RON PAUL CAN AND WILL GET THIS NOMINATION IF WE STICK TO THE PURSUIT OF EXCELLENCE, OF VICTORY!

Don't let BERNANKE BANKRUPT AMERICA! END THE FED, VOTE FOR RON PAUL! LET'S FIGHT FOR LIBERTY AND NOT BACK DOWN!


“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, — go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!”
-SAMUEL ADAMS!

 

I learned that lesson in 2000.

 

And you honestly believe that there actually is a free market? Really? How do you explain the tax payers bailing out the financial industry? Was that the free market? How do you explain the government bailing out the auto industry? Was that also the free market at work? America, a country where there is socialism for the rich, the well-connected and Wall Street - where profits are privatized and losses are socialized. Don't go around touting free markets as the answer to every one of our social ills until you've actually lived in one.






“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, — go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!”
-SAMUEL ADAMS![/quote]

 

Once look at our tax code is enough to say we do not have, nor want, a free market.

 

But if a monopoly has been formed then someone has a strangle hold on that market. What if it's something really big and complicated like telecommunications? How do you compete with that at a local level? What about energy costs? Fuel? There needs to be some policing done at some level.

 

10 Reasons Not To Vote For Ron Paul

1. Ron Paul does not value equal rights for minorities. Ron Paul has sponsored legislation that would repeal affirmative action, keep the IRS from investigating private schools who may have used race as a factor in denying entrance, thus losing their tax exempt status, would limit the scope of Brown versus Board of Education, and would deny citizenship for those born in the US if their parents are not citizens. Here are links to these bills: H.R.3863, H.R.5909, H.J.RES.46, and H.J.RES.42.

2. Ron Paul would deny women control of their bodies and reproductive rights.Ron Paul makes it very clear that one of his aims is to repeal Roe v. Wade. He has also co sponsored 4 separate bills to “To provide that human life shall be deemed to exist from conception.” This, of course, goes against current medical and scientific information as well as our existing laws and precedents. Please see these links: H.R.2597 and H.R.392

3. Ron Paul would be disastrous for the working class. He supports abolishing the Federal minimum wage, has twice introduced legislation to repeal OSHA, or the Occupational Safety and Health Act and would deal devastating blows to Social Security including repealing the act that makes it mandatory for employees of nonprofits, to make “coverage completely optional for both present and future workers”, and would “freeze benefit levels”. He has also twice sponsored legislation seeking to repeal the Davis-Bacon Act and the Copeland Act which among other things provide that contractors for the federal government must provide the prevailing wage and prohibits corporate “kick backs.” Here are the related legislative links: H.R.2030, H.R.4604, H.R.736, and H.R.2720

4. Ron Paul’s tax plan is unfair to lower earners and would greatly benefit those with the highest incomes.He has repeatedly submitted amendments to the tax code that would get rid of the estate and gift taxes, tax all earners at 10%, disallow income tax credits to individuals who are not corporations, repeal the elderly tax credit, child care credit, earned income credit, and other common credits for working class citizens. Please see this link for more information: H.R.05484 Summary

5. Ron Paul’s policies would cause irreparable damage to our already strained environment. Among other travesties he supports off shore drilling, building more oil refineries, mining on federal lands, no taxes on the production of fuel, and would stop conservation efforts that could be a “Federal obstacle” to building and maintaining refineries. He has also sought to amend the Clean Air Act, repeal the Soil and Water Conservation Act of 1977, and to amend the Federal Water Pollution Control Act to “restrict the jurisdiction of the United States over the discharge of dredged or fill material to discharges into waters”. To see for yourself the possible extent of the damage to the environment that would happen under a Paul administration please follow these links: H.R.2504, H.R.7079, H.R.7245, H.R.2415, H.R.393, H.R.4639, H.R.5293, and H.R.6936

6. A Ron Paul administration would continue to proliferate the negative image of the US among other nations. Ron Paul supports withdrawing the US from the UN, when that has not happened he has fought to at least have the US withdrawn from the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization. He has introduced legislation to keep the US from giving any funds to the UN. He also submitted that the US funds should not be used in any UN peacekeeping mission or any UN program at all. He has sponsored a bill calling for us to “terminate all participation by the United States in the United Nations, and to remove all privileges, exemptions, and immunities of the United Nations.”Ron Paul twice supported stopping the destruction of intercontinental ballistic missile silos in the United States. He also would continue with Bush’s plan of ignoring international laws by maintaining an insistence that the International Criminal Court does not apply to the US, despite President Clinton’s signature on the original treaty. The International Criminal Court is used for, among other things, prosecution of war crimes. Please see the following links: H.R.3891, H.AMDT.191, H.AMDT.190, H.R.3769, H.R.1665, H.CON.RES.23, and H.R.1154

 

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7. Ron Paul discriminates on the basis of sexual orientation and would not provide equal rights and protections to glbt citizens. This is an issue that Paul sort of dances around. He has been praised for stating that the federal government should not regulate who a person marries. This has been construed by some to mean that he is somewhat open to the idea of same sex marriage, he is not. Paul was an original co sponsor of the Marriage Protection Act in the House in 2004. Among other things this discriminatory piece of legislation placed a prohibition on the recognition of a same sex marriage across state borders. He said in 2004 that if he was in the Texas legislature he would not allow judges to come up with “new definitions” of marriage. Paul is a very religious conservative and though he is careful with his words his record shows that he is not a supporter of same sex marriage. In 1980 he introduced a particularly bigoted bill entitled “A bill to strengthen the American family and promote the virtues of family life.” or H.R.7955 A direct quote from the legislation “Prohibits the expenditure of Federal funds to any organization which presents male or female homosexuality as an acceptable alternative life style or which suggest that it can be an acceptable life style.” shows that he is unequivocally opposed to lifestyles other than heterosexual.

8. Ron Paul has an unnatural obsession with guns. One of Paul’s loudest gripes is that the second amendment of the constitution is being eroded. In fact, he believes that September 11 would not have happened if that wasn’t true. He advocates for there to be no restrictions on personal ownership of semi-automatic weaponry or large capacity ammunition feeding devices, would repeal the Gun-Free School Zones Act (because we all know our schools are just missing more guns), wants guns to be allowed in our National Parks, and repeal the Gun Control Act of 1968. Now, I’m pretty damn certain that when the Constitution was written our founding fathers never intended for people to be walking around the streets with AK47′s and “large capacity ammunition feeding devices.” (That just sounds scary.) Throughout the years our Constitution has been amended and is indeed a living document needing changes to stay relevant in our society. Paul has no problem changing the Constitution when it fits his needs, such as no longer allowing those born in the US to be citizens if their parents are not. On the gun issue though he is no holds barred. I know he’s from Texas but really, common sense tells us that the amendments he is seeking to repeal have their place. In fact, the gun control act was put into place after the assassinations of John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr., and Robert Kennedy. Please view the following links: H.R.2424, H.R.1897, H.R.1096, H.R.407, H.R.1147, and H.R.3892.

9. Ron Paul would butcher our already sad educational system. The fact is that Ron Paul wants to privatize everything and that includes education. Where we run into problems is that it has been shown (think our current health care system) that this doesn’t work so well in practice. Ron Paul has introduced legislation that would keep the Federal Government “from planning, developing, implementing, or administering any national teacher test or method of certification and from withholding funds from States or local educational agencies that fail to adopt a specific method of teacher certification.” In a separate piece of legislation he seeks to “prohibit the payment of Federal Education assistance in States which require the licensing or certification of private schools or private school teachers.” So basically the federal government can’t regulate teaching credentials and if states opt to require them for private schools they get no aid. That sounds like a marvelous idea teachers with no certification teaching in private schools that are allowed to discriminate on the basis of race. He is certainly moving forward with these proposals!Remember his “bill to strengthen the American family and promote the virtues of family life.” or H.R.7955? Guess what? He basically advocates for segregation in schools once again. It “Forbids any court of the United States from requiring the attendance at a particular school of any student because of race, color, creed, or sex.” Without thinking about this statement it doesn’t sound bad at all. But remember, when desegregating schools that this is done by having children go to different schools, often after a court decision as in Brown Vs. Board of Education. If this were a bill that passed, schools would no longer be compelled to comply and the schools would go back to segregation based on their locations. Ron Paul is really starting to look like a pretty bigoted guy don’t you think?

10. Ron Paul is opposed to the separation of church and state. This reason is probably behind every other thing that I disagree with in regards to Paul’s positions. Ron Paul is among those who believes that there is a war on religion, he stated “Through perverse court decisions and years of cultural indoctrination, the elitist, secular Left has managed to convince many in our nation that religion must be driven from public view.” (( Koyaanisqatsi Blog: Wrong Paul Why I Do Not Want Ron Paul to be My President )) Though he talks a good talk, at times, Ron Paul can’t get away from his far right, conservative views. He would support “alternative views” to evolution taught in public schools (i.e. Intelligent Design.) We’ve already taken a look at his “bill to strengthen the American family and promote the virtues of family life.” or H.R.7955Besides hating the gays he takes a very religious stance on many other things. He is attempting to force his beliefs on the rest of America, exactly what he would do as president. Attributed to http://madmikesamerica.com

 

Eh... Paul is rarely even mentioned now as it is, why he even thinks he's in the race is beyond me. I think it'll come down to Romney and Newt in the end... both will be calling in favors from their contacts in the political world. Neither is loved by large portions of Republicans, but IMO Romney has an edge on Newt.

 

Yea, I think it will come down to Romney & Newt too. Newt has been rising in the polls as people get to hear him speak rather than merely hearing what people say about him.
How do you think BO would do debating Newt one-on-one? It's gotta be BO's worst nightmare.

 

I think Moen has pretty well summed it up. Paul is probably more honest than most of them and is right on a few issues but that doesn't change the fact that he's an extreme Libertarian nut job except apparently when it comes to religion

 

I think he'd do fine, and we may get the chance to see a debate between the two if Romney stumbles near the end and Newt capitalizes on it.

 

I think Newt first came onto the political scene as a liberal but lost his first election and then decided that being conservative is what was needed for his area to win. If my memory is correct then he is a phoney opportunist. As for Romney, to many people in this nation would not go out to vote for him for he is either too status quo or the morman thing. As for Ron Paul, I agree with you that he does not get the media attention nor the money so how can he pull it off. Was interested in Cain even if his last name was a bibical warning but now he is either being politically lynched or is just another idiot. So who does that leave for someone who hates obama>and I am sure I am one of tens of milliions.