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WASHINGTON— According to a new report, over five million voters could be denied the right to vote under new laws adopted in a dozen states.
The study released Sunday night by the Brennan Center for Justice in New York said that new laws regarding photo identification requirements for voting, eliminating same day voter registration in several states, requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote, changing requirements for voter registration drives, reducing early voting days and restoring the right to vote for convicted felons will make voting harder for the five million people in the 2012 election.
“The report also projects that the new laws will have an impact on minority voters. According to the Brennan Center, African-Americans and Hispanics are more likely to register to vote during voter registration drives in Florida, and new photo I.D. requirements in Texas do not include forms of identification heavily used by minorities. The report points to new laws requiring photo identification to vote in Alabama, Kansas, Tennessee, Texas and Wisconsin that would limit voting to up to 3.2 million citizens who do not have government-issued photo I.D. The report did not include Rhode Island’s new photo identification law, which allows for non-governmental photo I.D.s to be used for voting, saying that the state’s law does not have the same requirements as measures elsewhere. Prior to 2011, only Indiana and Georgia had photo I.D. laws on the books.”

 

Map of shame...

http://www.lawyerscommittee.org/page?id=0042

 

Not being registered keeps people from voting...being under age keeps people from voting...being in jail keeps people from voting...I can go on...and failure to abide by the law certainly keeps people from voting. It doesn't exclude any certain group except those unwilling to abide by the law. The rules are the rules & they are not designed to disenfranchise anyone.

 

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"I can go on"

I've noticed that you generally do. I've already pointed out that the turnout in US elections is abysmally low, so simplifying the registration process would be an excellent idea, rather than going in the opposite direction and putting yet more hurdles in the way of voters. I personally think people in jail should be allowed to vote (as is the case even in parts of the US), and while I obviously wouldn't suggest that underage people should be allowed to vote, there's a debate to be had about what that cut-off age should be.

As for this curious phrase you keep using "failure to abide by the law certainly keeps people from voting", it might be an idea to elaborate at what you're getting at. Far be it from me to call it a "vague intimation", but...

 

[quote="James Kelly, post: 73641
As for this curious phrase you keep using "failure to abide by the law certainly keeps people from voting", it might be an idea to elaborate at what you're getting at.[/quote]

What I'm getting at is simple, the law says you must produce ID when voting therefore you must produce ID when voting- it's no different than any other law pertaining to the vote. The left has seized upon the issue & somehow twisted it to make it seem certain groups are being discouraged from voting, which isn't true.

 

I figured I would get a response like that for my second comment, but you seem to have avoided my first comment. Still no proof?

 

Personally, I don't see an ID Card for voting as a big deal. But my opinion is that the requirements to register to vote should be the same as needed (aka good enough) to issue any state photo ID card. So issue a voter photo ID card when the person registers to vote. Paid for through tax revenue, of course, since it would be part of registering for the electoral process.

 

Good idea, Stujoe! Then again, why not just make the voter registration card a photo ID?

 

"What I'm getting at is simple, the law says you must produce ID when voting therefore you must produce ID when voting- it's no different than any other law pertaining to the vote."

So you're saying the law must by definition be OK because...it's the law? Brilliant argument, David. Say no more.

rlm's cents :

"but you seem to have avoided my first comment. Still no proof?"

Oh, just the reams of proof Moen has helpfully provided in the interim. Better luck next time, eh?

 

Sorry, but I don't accept undocumented BS especially one that encourages felons and aliens to vote. BTW, the report states "States have changed their laws so rapidly that no single analysis has assessed the overall impact of such moves". Self admitting defeat?

 

Why are you so angry?
I agree with the law, so yeah, it's okay. I don't see how anyone could possibly take issue with requiring voters presenting proper ID before casting their vote. I am suspicious of one's motives if they believe otherwise. I'll repeat....obtaining acceptable ID is easy & hassle-free regardless of whatever "group" you happen to belong to. It in no way disenfranchises a single voter (or prospective voter)...arguments to the contrary are concocted by the left for some unknown reason. Opposition to requiring proper ID before voting is idiotic.

 

The left knows that voter fraud is easily committed if people don't have to show ID. Perhaps that's what they want? How else can they get dead people to vote???

 

"Angry"? We may not have established much on this thread, David, but we've established that psychoanalysis is probably not your calling. And you're suspicious of my motives? Well, I'm suspicious of your motives. You can characterise the obtaining of ID as "easy" and "hassle-free" until you're blue in the face, but it won't change the observable facts that - a) many people do not obtain it, b) those people will be disenfranchised, and c) those people would have been disproportionately likely to vote in a particular way had they not been disenfranchised.

 

Once again, apologies are unnecessary, although I would point out that if you demand proof but then dismiss any attempt to provide it as "undocumented BS", this could be a long evening.

 

Considering it is nothing more than his word without a link. Additionally, it violates the copyright laws. So, yes, it is "undocumented BS".

 

Iidentification is necessary to obtain Food Stamps:

http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/outreach/Translations/English/need.htm

If people want Food Stamps, they have to provide ID. I think the government asks for ID to help alleviate fraud.

I encourage people to vote, but I want to alleviate fraud (e.g., non-citizens or minors trying to vote). Don't you?