HR 3261 - Internet Blacklist Bill

Discussion in 'Politics' started by PTD, Oct 27, 2011.

  1. PTD
    Fiendish

    PTD Administrator Moderator

    Anyone heard of this? From what I've heard, it's going to put websites like this one out of business.
     
  2. rlm's cents
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    rlm's cents Well-Known Member

    How interesting. Seems someone else is upset about copyright infringements.
     
  3. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

    The internet is one of the last places where people can freely communicate their political views. It can be used to organize mass protests. I just see it as another step to limit democracy and free thought in this nation.
     
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  4. DeeNeely

    DeeNeely Well-Known Member

    Yep, its going to be a disaster if it makes it through Obama. Another blow against freedom of speech in the name of the almighty corporations.
     
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  5. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

    More like another step to limit free speech and dissent. Democracy and free thought is in real trouble. Wish people saw that. Instead they get caught up in the phony Rep. against Dem. battles but they have been pretty much the same for awhile now. The Unions who have the organization need to start a third party, "A workers party", but their leadership is too fat and comfortable.
     
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  6. Stujoe

    Stujoe Well-Known Member

    It is only a matter of time before the government regulates, taxes and generally screws up the entire internet for the good of the people.
     
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  7. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    An offshoot of the left's Fairness Doctrine?
     
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  8. PTD
    Fiendish

    PTD Administrator Moderator

    To me, it's not really about copyright infringement, it's about organizations like the RIAA and MPAA paying our Senators and Representatives to be able to bypass the judicial system. There's a huge risk for websites such as this one, for example if someone like David who has a grudge against me wanted to he could post some copyrighted materials here, then notify the copyright owner, who could in turn use the powers outlined in this bill to get this website blacklisted. It's going to be a Chinese style system of censoring the web, except in this case every single corporation will have the power to censor whatever they see fit. Anyone with a grudge could get a site shut down just for fun, and there will be no legal recourse.
     
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  9. DeeNeely

    DeeNeely Well-Known Member

    I fail to see how you can connect the two. One is designed to give everyone equal access to communication channel and the other is designed to shut down access to communication. Please, explain how this works because I can't see it.
     
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  10. DeeNeely

    DeeNeely Well-Known Member

    They just keep missing the point. The RIAA and MPAA have completely lost their minds. When they started wanting to charge people for the song happy birthday I knew they were nuts. It is just another symptom of the corporations and their insane insistence on maintaining complete control over everything.
     
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  11. CoinOKC
    Fiendish

    CoinOKC T R U M P

    If you owned the copyright to Happy Birthday, wouldn't you want to be paid for its use? Just sayin'.
     
  12. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    Don't give me any ideas now...
     
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  13. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    Actually both are artificial controls on free speech.
     
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  14. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    Simple from now on any one who wishes to post something that might or might not be under copyright has to post a link and nothing other than a very brief outline
     
  15. DeeNeely

    DeeNeely Well-Known Member

    Actually, no I wouldn't. I think copyright is extremely overused and counter to progress. I feel the same way about patent law. I think that copyright and patents should be severely time limited and after that time period they should be released into public access. When we have reached the point where someone else can patent your genes without your permission things have went way overboard.
     
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  16. Takiji

    Takiji Well-Known Member

    I think that the original intent was to give the inventor or creator a chance to make some bucks off his or her work and inspiration. But it wasn't intended to provide a protected income stream for decades and decades if not indefinitely, which seems to be where it's heading.
     
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  17. Stujoe

    Stujoe Well-Known Member

    If you create, say, a song, why shouldn't it be yours for decades and decades? Or yours to sell to someone else? It doesn't effect anyone's ability to sing Happy Birthday to their kids or friends. But if you want to make money off of a song that someone else created, it seems simple to me that you should have to pay the person who created the song (or the person they sell it to). If that wasn't the case, it would just make corporations able to use someone's work without compensating anyone at all.

    There are things going on in the Patent arena that I do not understand at all but, for copyrights, I think about a hundred years or life plus 70 years is fine for a duration.
     
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  18. CoinOKC
    Fiendish

    CoinOKC T R U M P

    How magnanimous of you. Fortunately, that's not the way it works. If you create something, such as a song, it's yours to do with as you want. If you want to give it away, sell the rights to it or keep the rights and charge for its use from now on, that's the way it should be. Don't force something on, say, a musician in this case and make him relinquish his copy rights.
     
  19. DeeNeely

    DeeNeely Well-Known Member

    Incorrect
    It's copyrighted. Usually that would only affect people who are singing it while attempting to make a profit (the lady your dad hired to jump out of your birthday cake, for instance). However, the American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers (ASCAP) requested that the Girl Scouts pay royalties for "Happy Birthday to You," and other songs they'd been singing around the campfire without a single stripper, or paying customer in attendance.

    Presumably thinking that this was a prank by the girls from the camp across the lake, the Girl Scouts consulted an attorney who found that the law applied to any "public performance." Going by the strict letter of the law, you have to pay anytime you sing the song "where a substantial number of persons outside of a normal circle of a family and its social acquaintances is gathered."

    Read more: 6 Laws You've Broken Without Even Realizing It | Cracked.com http://www.cracked.com/article_1945...-without-even-realizing-it.html#ixzz1cCbgCXkI
     
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  20. DeeNeely

    DeeNeely Well-Known Member

    The greatest power that humans have is the ability to cooperate and share knowledge. Without the ability to share knowledge creativity comes to a standstill and innovation suffers. When a company, or a person, insist in keeping secrets to themselves over a prolonged period of time he is willing choosing to restrain humanity. All the things you rely on daily are there because someone built on the work of another and created something new. It only came about because the knowledge was shared.
     
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