I Swear, Michelle Bachmann Could not Be Dumber.

You pretty much can’t read can you... ?? I mean you over and over completely miss things in very short posts and then forge on undaunted by your own inadequacies. If you’re not going to take the time to read and understand the posts you’re commenting on, you have to realize how dumb you sound, or maybe realizing it isn’t within your abilities either. Geeeesh!

 

Well, PHD, you are wrong again, aren't you? I didn't argue any of the points you try to make...I simply said if believe Bachmann is stupid for getting John Wayne's hometown wrong you have to be honest and call BO stupid for claiming there are 57 states. This isn't a defense of any politician, it's merely attempt to curb and counter your out-of-control far left talking points.

 

The problem I have is when the left refers to abortion as a woman's "reproductive right". The woman is not removing a cyst or a tumor from her body, she's removing another human being. That is too delicate an issue to just say, "all abortion is legal". I'll agree that in some cases abortions should be performed. But, it's going too far to give anyone carte blanche in deciding when to terminate a human life.

If you would give a woman the right to terminate the life pre-birth, would you also give her the right to terminate the life post-birth? After all, it's still her reproductive creation whether or not it's traveled the birth canal (or C-section as the case may be).

I suppose the question becomes "when does the merging of sperm and egg become a life and is therefore protected by the Constitution"? Some say it happens at the moment of conception. Others say it happens at the moment of birth. There are some who believe it's not a life until it's two years old. While I don't adhere to the last theory, I think life begins somewhere between conception and birth. But when? Who decides when life begins? You? Me? The mother? The doctor? Society? A jury? I don't know the answers to these questions. I don't believe you do either.

If we're going to live under a form of government that guarantees our "right to life", then we need to adhere to that philosophy.

 

I take the time to read your post, but to understand. I am sorry, but you logic is so out of whack with reality it is not worth trying to understand.

Aside from that, you say that I am saying that both sides have shortcomings and I am wrong. That implies that you think only one side has shortcomings and you are correct. A simple reality check would bring most sensible people back to some version of sanity, but apparently that does not work for you.

 

I don't see the equivalency. Obama was weeks on the campaign trail hours into his daily schedule and certainly knows that there are 50 states. Michele Bachmann just says one dumb thing after another. The only reason she doesn't say even more dumb things is that she rarely goes off script and has learned to limit access to her campaign to conservative outlets and she still says dumb thing after dumb thing. If you want to keep throwing this 57 states quote out as a defense for everything Michele Bachmann says, you had better type the quote into your computer’s clip board. You’re going to need it a lot.

 

We rightly so give the greater rights to the person that already exists, not the potential person. The vast majority of abortions are not late-term as the anti-abortionists would have you believe. The fertilized egg is a blastocyst or a zygote approximately the size of a grain of rice or smaller during most the abortion processes. Are there late-term abortions? Yes and nobody is very comfortable with the choice to abort a 2nd trimester pregnancy least of all the mother. The anti-abortion people claim that life begins at conception which is something that the medical community can’t even determine. They simply believe it based on their own religious beliefs. Why should anyone have to be held to a faith-based conclusion and be forced to bring another human life into this world if they do not wish to add another life to the billions already here? You could say that they shouldn’t have sex and in some cases they didn’t choose to have sex but for those that have had birth control fail or just were careless you can’t legislatively do away with a person’s sex drive especially for you adults. It comes second right after survival instinct.
The best solution that I have ever heard is the middle ground approach. If you are against abortion, adhere to your religious beliefs and don’t have one. If you consider abortion a reproductive medical procedure and want to terminate a pregnancy, then you should have that right. When abortion advocates start forcing the belief that abortion is a simple medical procedure on people that believe that abortion is murder then we’ll have an honest national conversation about abortion rights. So far, it is only the anti-abortionists trying to force their religious beliefs on people that want to have the right to access abortion services. I have yet to see an abortion advocate force an anti-abortion supporter to actually have an abortion.

 

Ah, see you keep claiming I am defending Bachman but I'm not. I am simply calling you on your blind defense of all things Obama. You know, claiming there are 57 states isn't his only foul up. He also claimed to have created jobs in districts that didn't even exist...he also claimed to see some of the people being honored at a memorial for deceased soldiers. So, you see, BO is every bit as capable of saying dumb things. Being tired really doesn't explain it either.
I would be much more comfortable with a President who knows how many states are in the union rather than one who knows where John Wayne was born.

 

OK! You don't like the 57 state thing (it was actually 60, if you listened), how about an intentional lie? Oh, and he repeated it enough to make sure everyone heard it.


Or, if John Wayne's birth is so important to your politics, how about BO's promise to close Gitmo. That was clearly a political move to placate the ultra left made in total ignorance of the American public.

 

Were you comfortable with all the stupid things George Bush said? Did you hold him to the same standard you hold Barack Obama to? I seriously doubt it.

P.S. You'd think that if you grew up in Waterloo Iowa, you know if someone as famous as John Wayne was from your town. Michele Bachmann grew up in Waterloo Iowa.

 

Do you mean that Obama told his base something they wanted to hear? Wow! That's never happened before. He has kept many of his campaign promises but of course not all of them. He is only two years into his first term after all. Name the last president that kept every campaign promise. Don't worry, there never has been a president that has kept every campaign promise. That's not how elections work. You promise them a rose garden and deliver a briar patch instead. Don't be so intentionally naive.

 

I am sure GW made his share of mistakes, but none so important as what you are making out as to where John Wayne was born.

P.P.S. You'd think that you would know that your father did not serve in WWII when he was just 9 years old.

 

And that is why BO will not get reelected!

 

Philosophically speaking, one might say something similar about homicide. "If you are against homicide, adhere to your religious beliefs and don't kill anyone. If you consider homicide a procedure in which to terminate an unwanted life, then you should have that right".

If the medical community can't determine when life begins then when is that life protected by the Constitution? That's not an easy answer. Does it become a Constitutionally-protected life at birth? Five minutes before birth? Six months before birth? I can't say. Even the medical community doesn't know. When do you think it becomes a Constitutionally-protected life?

 

So, let me get this straight. You want to talk about Bush's gaffs now? Your defense of BO is that Bush misspoke too? But pointing out BO's gaffs after you point out a gaff made by Bachmann is the wrong thing to do? Just checking.

What's worse...growing up in Iowa & not knowing which city John Wayne called home or growing up in the US & not knowing how many states there are?

 

I say where a life is concerned, we need to err on the side of life.

 

I don't think there is a constitutionally protected right to be born. At least not one I am familiar with. What the Constitution considers "life" has never been spelled out and I would have a problem seeing abortion as a Constitutional question. If we as a country limited ourselves to only the things the Constitution spells out, we'd all be living like the Amish driving horse and buggies and spurning modern conveniences like electricity. The Constitution was written by people that couldn't even conceive of medical advances like laser surgery, microsurgery, abortion, and organ transplants. Obviously, the Constitution has become dated and less and less relevant to the world we live in today. That leaves us with interpreting the principles set out by the founding architects of the Constitution and it seems that any group that adheres to any particular interpretation does so with a heavy dose of personal biases and self-interests. We don't have a Constitution deciding matters of legality so much as we have special interest factions telling us how they believe the Constitution should be interpreted. The wisdom of the founding fathers was appropriate for their time but in many respects has become stale over time. It simply can’t live up to or be the final word in all situations.

 

Why?

 

Why? Because there are people like you in the world, that's why.

 

I know when someone starts a sentence with, "So, let me get this straight." I'm about to be badly paraphrased. If you read this entire thread, it wasn't me that brought anyone into the conversation as a defense of anyone else's mistakes. I certainly never implied that Obama should be cut slack because Bush made so many verbal gaffs. I simply asked how your standards become so stringent when the gaff is from the Left while the multitude of gaffs from the Right seem to all get a pass. It's a fair question to ask without having to suffer your bad paraphrasing abilities.

 

That's not an answer. Try again. If you can't articulate what you mean be a comment, don't make it.