New York passes Gay Marriage

I'm referring to the choice that incorporates the lifestyle unto others with the more traditional lifestyles, not the sexuality you're born into. Sorry, but just because one doesn't choose their own sexuality doesn't serve as an excuse to impose it onto others and their institutions. Be gay. Be proud. Just don't force your morality on to me. Marriage is, has been between a man and a woman for many a generation. It still should be. Get legally "whatever" with whomever you like. Enjoy all the legalities, benefits and disadvantages of it all you like. Just call it something other than marriage, because, it isn't. Marriage is between a man and a woman. I'll respect your right to enjoy being gay if you'll respect my right to keep my institutions intact.

 

Separate but equal...

 

In what way is heterosexual marriage harmed if gay couples had the same type of institution straight couples have? Would the divorce rate for heterosexual couple rise above 50% for some reason because gay couples could suddenly marry? What exactly is the impact you are referring to for heterosexual couples that would be impacted by giving gay couples the option to marry? Please list them.

 

There is no impact and Tomc knows it. It's simply his personal prejudice showing through. My favorite line of his argument is:

Gay marriage (or as I like to refer to it: "marriage") is just something else you're going to have to accept like you had to accept African-Americans riding at the front of your bus. Take your medication, calm down and acclimate.

 

I'm uncomfortable with lots things if I actually think about it, but I have no desire to restrict someone else's rights so that I can feel more comfortable. People used to be uncomfortable with interracial marriage but it is common these days. Who really thinks twice about it? When I see a gay couple, I think of them as married anyway. I don't stop and think, Hey, they don't have a piece of paper saying that they are married. If Tom thinks his lifestyle choice is the only acceptable choice, I feel sorry for his lack of open mindedness. Just because it is his choice, doesn't make it the only choice.

 

Tom must've had an experience in the Navy that he's ashamed of. Or perhaps HIS approach was rejected. Either way he seems very prejudice for a liberal.

 

Maybe he is a LINO.

 

What is very left wing on the economic axis and very authoritarian on the social axis equal on the political compass? Hint...it is where Stalin would be found.

 

...and tom claims to be a Libertarian...

 

Well...suppose a group of individuals, let's say 50 plus year old females, marry 18 year old males. This is all legal. All completely acceptable. How about 55 year old males hooking up with just turned 18 high school graduates? It's all perfectly legal. Why shouldn't we ALL celebrate it, regardless of what we think of the idea? Why shouldn't we call that marriage too? I could list more examples but my point is morality is tossed out the window in lieu of....what? If I'm born in a society, and they have a law that says "no marriage between a man and a woman". That's life. That's the way it is. How about born in a land that says "marriage is legally allowed at age 15"? What if...I tell you that marriage can be between 27 people? Some places that is legal, but is it correct? The 27 all demand that they be acknowledge in exactly the same fashion, as any other marriage on the books. The answer is society dictates the manner in which society lives. My contention is that many people in society, don't accept the gay lifestyle, and shouldn't be forced to accept it in exactly the same manner as all that came before them. Gays have every right do as they wish without limits, and also without any special recognition to their lifestyle that is clearly NOT the majority. The minority rules instead of the majority. I think that's wrong. Why am I not surprised though that the minority is allowed to dictate to the majority in capitalist corporate America? A corporation is exactly the same (legally) as a person...Hey...we're all doomed. You all will enjoy the ride I'm sure.

 

I've referenced not being a liberal several times before. What you call prejudiced, I call an honest opinion of the real world.

 

Look out, Tom! Before you know it, gays will completely take over the world and heterosexual couples will be enslaved and only be allowed to procreate and never come out of their caves. If that happens, you can look forward to a much nicer decorated world (if you're ever allowed out of your cave, that is).

 

That's certainly possible. Slavery is making a big comeback in the corporate world.

 

We don't have to celebrate the things in society that adults do that we don't like. But I do not think we have the right to make what they do illegal just because we don't like it.

 

Personally, I believe marriage is between one man & one woman. With that being said, I have no objections to homosexuals and could care less what they do or who they do it with. I think this issue was handled correctly...by that I mean determined on a state level and I applaud the portion of the law that allows a church the discretion to recognize a same sex marriage or not to recognize it without the threat of legal action.

 

Well that is all noble and good of you to not care about people like gays but why should a civil right be left up to the states? Aren't civil rights and freedoms the right of ALL U.S. citizens and not just for those that happen to live outside of the Bible belt? States’ rights are what caused the Civil War. Some states wanted to continue to profit off of the slave trade while other states found slavery contrary to the ideals and promises of a free nation. Why should freedoms be decided on a local basis? That makes no sense at all.

 

Then make divorce illegal. Wouldn't that protect the sanctity of marriage. And you do have objections to homos. Here's a sure way to know. Do you thinks homos should teach in schools?

 

If they want to. If they are qualified. If the school has an opening. Gee, could be talking about anyone here, couldn't I?

 

Just because people have a right to do something doesn't always mean it should be done. They had a right to be gay. Do they have a right to get married? Well, the state says yes so since they made it a law, it's good and everything is right in the world. lol They can't find any reason to deny it. How about 2 men and a goat? If the three love each other, they shouldn't find any reason to deny it! Maybe a woman and a dog will be next? The animals should be provided with the same health care as well because we don't want to discriminate. It's always something else as time goes on. Eventually, some fringe is left out.

Funny how I want the right to carry concealed in Illinois so that maybe I could protect myself, my wife or my kid from certain death some day. I mind my own business. Nobody would know about it. I don't want to hurt anybody. I'm a law abiding citizen. But in this instance, it's OK to DENY ME that right because some f#*%^ing progressive believes they know what's best for me!! Even though they can't guarantee my safety or that of my family at any given moment out in public. Even though I show restraint in owning firearms at my home and not taking them out to commit crimes every day.

F these states. They can't wait to approve some off the wall BS, that most decent people would consider immoral, but the right to self defense? UUH UHHHH. NO way no how. Not gonna happen. We don't have that right in Illinois. The progressives (with body guards) believe we are 'above that'.

As far as gays getting married? I give up. I really don't give a sh$# anymore. I don't want to ever hear about it again. I dont want to ever hear about any problems associated from it. Such a stupid issue for government bodies to waste time on.

 

You're celebrating it by default when you recognize the union in the traditional form of marriage. The legality isn't being debated, is it? The issue also goes back to religious roots, which is also a tradition. We should discard those conflicts too I suppose, in the interests of political correctness. Be gay. Be happy. Enjoy your gayness as much as you like. Don't force the issue down the throats (no pun intended) of everyone else that doesn't agree. Have your rights. Have your unions. They just shouldn't be call "marriage", or celebrated forcibly by the churches. They don't believe it is moral. They have the same right NOT to accept it, it seems to me.