So what was BO doing.........?

He did the right thing and made the right decision...especially since it worked and with no casualties. Hindsight, 20/20 and all that

But, yeah, I think we could have hit it with a missile or bomb if he had chosen that route. Not like it is in a row of apartments in that 'residential district'...



But, of course, it is not sure fire that a bomb would have killed him. But it was not sure fire that there wouldn't be an Iran Hostage Mission-like failure with a strike team.

 

Speaking of crickets, dr moen, you never have explained what you meant by our money "being in the wrong hands"?

 

Since we thought he was in the Afghanistan/Pakistan border mountains for most of that 10 years and then found out he was actually 30 miles from the Pakistan capital, I think that might be worth a little extra reflection before invading a nuclear power. 16 hours seems to have done it.

 

Here’s something for you libs to chew on. Could Obama and his advisors try to put this off as long as possible to get that spike in approval numbers a little closer to the election? And could the October surprise be Osama’s death pose?

 

That would probably only work if some opposing candidate is as dumb with the deather thing as Trump was with the birther issue...and that kind of stupidity doesn't come along every day.

 

I think your appraisal of the situation is both blatantly partisan and extremely naive. You pretend to be able to second guess a situation you don't have an iota of information about and question those that knew everything there is to know about what was involved. Why do I think value judgments like dithered and wasn't capable are just the sour grapes from an uninformed hack? Oh, because they are exactly sour grapes from an uninformed hack.

 

Hey wait a minute EDITED. Where did I say they werent ready? Show me the post where I said that spec.ops. werent ready. All I asked was how do you know they were ready. I partied with some UDT(now SEALS) guys in the Navy and not just drinking. Some wouldnt be ready for a few days afterward. But you wouldnt know that. You think you know what youre talking about but you dont. So dont go casting aspersions, EDITED. Youre just talking garbage. If OBL was kiled four months ago, you'd still be bitching. He's dead now, so you can unload your piece. And show me where I said his killers werent ready. And Obama is a military leader. So I guess they werent ready.

 

So, dr moen, exactly what did you mean in the other thread when you claimed our money was "in the wrong hands"?

 

So sod buster. Where in post #18 did I say special ops werent ready? I mean exactly.

 

Agreed upon Peter. He took his time but in the end it all worked out.

 

Sorry David, but I'm not ready to concede the point yet. I still need to know why Obama needed to "think more on it", but until I know THAT info I can't give you the point. It's a close one though, as from everything I understand ...the only thing necessary for the "Go!" order was verifications of identity and location (at least for me, but I'm not the prez). IMO. Now there's another issue not addressed in here yet (from what I can tell), was it legal to kill Bin Laden (vs capture if unarmed/not resisting, etc.)? IMO, yes. Others?

 

Legal under what system of law? Ours? Saudi Arabia's? Pakistan's? International? In an operation like this....does 'legal' even really have a meaning?

 

Well, Georgey said he didn't think that much about him. He didn't......THINK...

 

What an interesting post. I don't sense any "jealousy" from anyone who opposes Obama. A majority of people oppose his policies, but that really has nothing to do with the opportunity Obama was given to snuff bin Laden. I'm elated that our intelligence agencies gathered the data on bin Laden's whereabouts and relayed them to Obama. Also, I couldn't care less that Obama is crowing like a rooster as if he'd actually hunted down bin Laden himself. If he wants to take credit for the hard work of all the individuals who labored on this for years, well, that's his business. It doesn't matter to me; bin Laden is toast and that's what counts. I especially applaud our SEALs who risked their lives and would have gladly killed bin Laden - with or without any presidential directive.

 

What was GWB doing?

Reports are saying bin Laden had another house and had probably been hangning out in Pakistan proper....and not in cave...since 2003.

How does GWB go for a term and a half with bin Laden hanging out in Pakistan without us figuring it out and getting him? Makes the current President look like a finely honed OBL finding/killing machine by comparison.

 

Did Bush have this data? What info was being supplied to him? I also question our intel agencies and wonder how we didn't "figure it out". Perhaps we did, but were always one step behind. Who can say? Not being a member of the NSA or the CIA I'm not really privy to the info that was gathered. Any of us can second-guess all day long, but when it boils down to it unless we were actually involved, we'll never really know.

 

Apparently, Bush was unable to obtain or develop (or act on?) this data in almost a term and a half (since 2003) of hunting bin Laden. By comparison, the timeline makes it look like Obama had been honing in on OBL's real location since not that long after taking office. Who knows who knew what? Maybe GWB was just unlucky instead of incompetent. Maybe Obama was lucky and not just looking harder and smarter and putting the resources where they needed to be to locate him. Who can say? But, to me anyway, it makes 16 hours not seem like much time.

 

Was just reading Time and according to that report, the President spent those 16 hours 'dithering' after being told that there was a 50 to 80% chance the intelligence was correct. 50-80%. Not exactly the 'slam dunk' being referenced in some parts of the interwebs. Better than a 3 pointer, but not even close to a free throw (unless your Shaq) or an uncontested layup. 16 hours to decide on whether to invade a nuclear power and risk American lives to get one man on intelligence that is 50-80% sound. Dithering? Seriously?

 

Snuff. Ha! Spoken like some cheap hood from an Elmore Leonard novel. What a buffoon.