Should the government decide where companies operate?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by rlm's cents, May 5, 2011.

  1. rlm's cents
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    rlm's cents Well-Known Member

    Maybe (hopefully?) that sounds a bit foreign to most of us, but that is exactly what they are doing, or trying to do.

    http://www.salon.com/news/the_labor.../htww/2011/04/25/boeing_south_carolina_unions
     
  2. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    As long the union gets what it wants, right? Screw the company, screw the other employees, screw the other states involved, screw fair enterprise, screw the customer, screw everyone else just as long as the union gets their way.

    By the way, I heard Boeing lost several, if not all, of the orders BO supposedly secured for airliners from India...remember BO & Michelles grand tour de force a few months ago?
     
  3. PTD
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    PTD Administrator Moderator

    South Carolina is taking a beating recently. This wasn't the only bad decision that's caused South Carolina to loose new jobs. South Carolina's state government put the quash on a new Amazon.com fulfillment center that would have created around 1500 jobs. South Carolina wanted to place an extra tax on Amazon.com, which is funny because I thought that South Carolina was a Republican state and that Republicans were anti-tax. It was surprising to read that they put new taxes over new jobs.
     
  4. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    I think that these large companies should just keep playing one state off of another endlessly. The logical conclusion is that they will end up paying no taxes, continue to ship jobs overseas, keep pouring their profits into Cayman Island accounts, let the tax payers (if there are any left) pay for the air, water and soil pollution clean up left by these industries, and bankrupt the U.S. government so that they can become the only power that matters in this country. We have the National Labor Relations Act because of robber barons like Boeing that have no interest in labor, this country, or America in general. All they care about is their own interests. Why would I respect that?
     
  5. rlm's cents
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    rlm's cents Well-Known Member

    You did not specifically say that you agreed or disagreed, but I think I get the general tenor of your post.

    You bitch about companies continuing "to ship jobs overseas" yet you want the government to decide where they can do business in a less efficient operation. And then you wonder why companies continue to ship jobs overseas where they can work without interference.
     
  6. PTD
    Fiendish

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    Dunno what this has to do with shipping jobs overseas, in both of these cases the jobs went to Washington state. I guess that means that those jobs, most of the at least, went to genuine US citizens.
     
  7. rlm's cents
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    rlm's cents Well-Known Member

    My guess is that if they go back to Washington (the only other option they have at the present) they will move elsewhere in the near future. If they cannot move to a desired location in the USA, they will go where the atmosphere is more conducive. And, they just spent $2 Billion here only to have it taken from them, would you really expect them to want to stick around so we could take some more money from them?
     
  8. PTD
    Fiendish

    PTD Administrator Moderator

    Well, I think Boeing tried to shift some manufacturing overseas once before and it didn't go too well for them. And, as far as Amazon.com goes, it wouldn't make much sense to have a fulfillment center overseas.
     
  9. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    Are you just ignoring that fact that Boeing broke the law in this situation and openly admitted doing so? Kind of dumb on their part eh?

    As far as the NLRB is concerned, Boeing broke the law.


    Boeing executives had publicly said they were making the move to avoid the kind of strikes the airplane maker had repeatedly faced in Washington; Lafe Solomon, the labor board's acting general counsel, said the company's motive constituted illegal retaliation against workers for exercising their right to strike ...

    Mr. Solomon, who has worked for board members of both parties, said this case was straightforward: Boeing had retaliated against workers for exercising their federally protected right to strike. "They had a consistent message that they were doing this to punish their employees for having struck and having the power to strike in the future," he said. "I can't not issue a complaint in the face of such evidence."
     
  10. rlm's cents
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    rlm's cents Well-Known Member

    That is an opinion - at best. Even if you could find the law you are referring to, my guess is that we will not have a definitive answer for several years. However, the mere fact that there is any doubt that Boeing can move to anywhere it pleases severely offends me and I will bet a lot of others out there. Obviously it does not offend a conspiracy theorists who believe that the Reps and all companies are out to bankrupt this country.
     
  11. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    An opinion eh?

    You did read this part then...

    Boeing executives had publicly said they were making the move to avoid the kind of strikes the airplane maker had repeatedly faced in Washington; Lafe Solomon, the labor board's acting general counsel, said the company's motive constituted illegal retaliation against workers for exercising their right to strike ... Seems like more than an opinion. It seems like they are being charged.

    Mr. Solomon, who has worked for board members of both parties, said this case was straightforward: Boeing had retaliated against workers for exercising their federally protected right to strike. "They had a consistent message that they were doing this to punish their employees for having struck and having the power to strike in the future," he said. "I can't not issue a complaint in the face of such evidence." Seems pretty strongly worded for an opinion.
     
  12. rlm's cents
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    rlm's cents Well-Known Member

    Still did not find a law they broke, right?

    And to top that off, you have them guilty until proven innocent. God old liberal law, huh? Why don't you come join the rest of the country.
     
  13. Stujoe

    Stujoe Well-Known Member

    Should the government decide where companies operate? I think that would depend upon whether the company gets any public funds, or subsidies, or bailouts, or loans, or tax breaks - and other things like those - things which all other businesses don't get.
     
  14. PTD
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    Of course, through our zoning laws, the government has always decided where businesses can operate, so the whole point of this thread is a bit silly. Can government take things too far out of their own personal interest? Of course, they always have and always will. That goes for both sides. But you know, I don't think I'd be enough of a libertarian to say we should trash ALL of our zoning laws. I wouldn't be too happy if someone wanted to build a factory next door, for example. The whole playing one state against another, though, sounds awfully counterproductive and really defeats the whole idea of a free market.
     
  15. Stujoe

    Stujoe Well-Known Member

    There is little to nothing 'free market' about Boeing. Subsidies, loan guarantees, Presidents and diplomats selling their goods for them and making bargains and brokering deals for the company. Maybe Boeing needs to learn that when you make a bargain with the devil, he is going to want something in return.
     
  16. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther


    Aren't they??
     
  17. rlm's cents
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    rlm's cents Well-Known Member

    The NLRB dropped its suit today - apparently at the request of the IAM.
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/nl...-boeing-over-scfacility-2011-12-09?siteid=rss
    I guess the law is dependent on how bad their (the unions) ox was being gored rather than whether or not the law was actually being broken.
     

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