The burden of student loan debt....

Moen is okay with pedophiles (see the thread about him letting his young son date an adult).

 

Wouldn't a pedophile prey on people younger than 18? Not a whole lot of people under 18 on a college campus if that were indeed my intent. But I'll let your mind roll around in the gutter where it is most comfortable.

P.S. Dating doesn’t constitute pedophilia. Having sex with minors does. That happened only in your vivid sleazy imagination not in my son’s life. Try and pull your mind out of the gutter once in awhile.

 

So you can imagine "something beyond the psychological imperative need for guns", but not what goes on while people date. Maybe that explains your logic.

 

Everything you know about this situation I've told you. I can also tell you that you know nothing. Two factual statements you can't argue with. Anything else you say is just conjecture.

 

I have no idea which situation is "this situation". However, I assure you I can imagine both what happens with gun and what goes on while people date. And, no, I did not need you to tell me either.

 

Yeah but I was just joking. You're filled with hate. And you're the one who'd make their daughter keep a constant reminder of someone who raped and brutalized her. That sounds just as bad.

 

So you admit that it is all in your imagination after all. I see.

 

Sorry, but I am convinced you are real, much to my consternation. I could not dream up anything so absurd as you.

 

And thank God I avoid letting hateful people like you into my life. You seem to thrive on hatred. That explains why your wife left you years ago and your kids refuse to talk to you. Hateful people usually find themselve alone on their deathbeds. You're no exception.

 

You cannot imagine what goes on during a date, but you sure can imagine everything and anything else. I guess you just imagine thing to fit your arguments.

 

When I was young, I enrolled in a local college. I knew that by doing so I would need to be able to pay off the loans. In school I worked, after I left I continued to work and pay that debt. I only went for a year though, the debt was far larger than I could afford. It took me three years of hard labor, no high-paying desk job for my kind, to pay off one year's debt. I simply couldn't trust that, as a laborer, I could expect to continue working at that grueling pace for over a decade. Yes, if I had finished college I may have gotten a well-paying job somewhere in the country (if I was one of the lucky ones that manged to), but when you are poor, and cook sugar for food when your money runs out, the thought of a decade or more of hell doesn't make sense. Very few poor WANT to be poor, but unless you picked YOURself out of the gutter, you really have no idea of the burden it is. Meal-ticket? How about a meal...

 

Hey, I only said you were okay with it...I didn't accuse you of being a pedophile. Why get so defensive?
I don't know where you get things like "sleazy" and "gutter" from my post. You do allow your 14 child to keep company with an adult, don't you?

 

You're new here so please allow me to give you a bit of the "back story" on why I'm no fan of student loan debt.
I grew up very poor, the only way I could go to college was either by going in debt or working my way through. Taking my parents advice, I chose to work. I worked 2 jobs throughout college, sometimes picking up a 3rd when I needed extra money. On the day I graduated I was debt free & had a great job lined up with a well-known bank. My whole life I've encountered people with tales of woe over the mountain of student loan debt they took on. Even BO has complained about student loan debt dogging him well into his 40's. I have absolutely nothing against higher education, in fact both my wife & I went on the earn our Masters, so don't believe dr moen when he tries to twist this into some sort of anti-education thinking. My point is simple:
A graduate is better off if able to start his life debt-free rather than debt-ridden and no matter what some say, student loan debt isn't the only way one can get through school.
**This is one of those issues that causes dr moen to label me a far right winger.

 

Like sand in an hour glass, so are 'The Days Of Our Lives'.

 

A coca cola used to be a nickel. And jeans were $2.50.

 

Yeah, sorry ...It wasn't my intent to rebuke anyone here on their opinions. I thought, since I'm new here, I'd give everyone some insight into my particular situation, and my thoughts on student debt in general. I meant no disrespect.

 

I forgot to mention something that may give everyone a better idea of what I meant here. I have always had bad health, I have chronic pain and have had a constant headache for all of my life. As a consequence, work is considerably difficult for me. I manage, but will never be able to succeed as most here have. I'm not trying to give disrespect to anyone's own success or opinions, or asking for pity, just trying to allow you all some insight into why my own opinions are what they are.

 

Your rant has changed like 6 times now. You started out faulting the institutions themselves for people choosing to take out student loans. Now you have whittled that down to, "A graduate is better off if able to start his life debt-free rather than debt-ridden and no matter what some say, student loan debt isn't the only way one can get through school." which nobody can argue with. If you had stated that in the beginning, I'd have labeled you captain obvious and moved on. But you went on page after page attacking institutions of higher education as the reason for the large debt students are facing even though how a person chooses to finance their education is their own business. Years ago, working your way through college was a lot easier than it is today. Universities were subsidized by the state at a much higher rate than they are today and tuition was low when you and the wife went to school. As I have pointed out, after decades of Right wing attacks on education, states now fund higher learning at very low rates and the tuition burden falls to the individual to pay the difference. Being a Right winger allows you to reap the benefits of your own shortsightedness mainly in the form of high tuition costs for your kids. If you haven't saved a college fund for them, you have actually screwed them twice. That is my point. I'm just calling it what it is and you seem to want to run from consequences of your own ideology. That's so special it make me nauseous.

 

Both David & Moen1305 (as well as a few others) had excellent points throughout most of this thread, though it did get a little dicey in the middle. (laughs) I've thoroughly read all comments (to this point) and I am impressed with both of your knowledgeable viewpoints. I may get slammed for this, but I'm unable to simply pick one side over the other. I wish I could offer more, but both have made points that I also, believe to be true, mixed in with comments I couldn't disagree with more.

My opinion in a nutshell (no pun intended): Debt is definitely a burden quite a few people take on without fully appreciating the difficulties they'll have later paying it off, though most are aware of it on some level and choose to ignore it until later. There are also quite a few who are smart enough to realize it and work their butts off to pay the debt (or costs) off in order to avoid those hardships. I'm not educated enough to comment on the political system's involvement in student loans, so I can't comment on it. Universities do encourage enrollment, but I don't believe they do so maliciously. I believe their intent is as Moen says, to educate the young and help America's future needs. My views on appropriate salaries is prejudiced, so I won't state them here.

...(winces)... be gentle ...(braces himself)

 

No, it hasn't. Student loan debt is the snake oil & the schools hawking their product are the hucksters.
Once again, I accept that you cannot be objective given the fact your livelihood is directly linked to the number of students you can wrangle in the classroom.