Trump sounds serious!

Well, whatever. I'm not going to argue it anymore here. I'd just like to know how confident some of you are on the topic and where that confidence comes from? The media is trustworthy enough? Too impossible to happen? Does Moen believe 100%, no other possibility that he was a natural born citizen? (Which isn't realistically possible for him to know.) Or 85% sure so that's enough to where it's not worth worrying about because he supports him?

I can tell you with complete confidence that the sun will rise in the east tomorrow. Where was some stranger born with a foreign father and a sketchy past, including going to school in Indonesia as a youngster? I have to take somebody else's word on it. That includes the authenticity of "Certificates of live birth" and newspaper announcements. If my grandparents had that newspaper from 61 tucked away in the basement and I could look it up for myself, maybe I'd give.

If somebody could prove 100% without a doubt that he was not a natural born citizen, it wouldn't get anywhere anyway, so it's a moot point. It's too late. They'd be viewed as a crazy birther with another 'fraudulent' story.
No way they'd risk the uproar, outrage and embarrassment over continuing forward with business as usual. True or not, you have the good fortune of being right without the worry of being proven wrong. Congrats.

 

Thats a helluva way not to argue about it.

 

I don't even know where the doubt of Obama being a natural born U.S. citizen comes from. He has a certificate of live birth from State of Hawaii. That is the only proof anyone born at that time in that state has. His birth announcement was in the local paper at the time. No one ever disputed his birth prior to the nutty Right. Where does the source of the doubt even come from? I just don't get it. What reason is there to even cast doubt?

 

Not entirely accurate. What has been shown is a Certification of Live Birth. And that is not the only proof anyone born at that time in that state has. There are copies of Hawaii 1961 Certificates of Live Birth images out there on the internet if anyone cares to see the differences between the 2 documents. Not that it makes much difference.

 

I think the Clintons started in it when they were running against BO.....you know, part of the Fairy Tale BJ Clinton talked about?

 

Again, not sure what you're saying here. Yes, what has been shown is a certificate of live birth. If others received, let's say a birth certificate, and were born at the same time in the same hospital and only baby Obama received a certificate of live birth, that might be suspicious. Is that what you are saying??? Then you are saying that the certificate of live birth differs from other certificates of live birth issued...from the same time, the same hospital, same group of medical people???? Again, what is the reason for the suspicion?

This spells it out pretty clearly: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

 

I think where the suspicion lies is in the fact that the "Certificate of Live Birth" that Obama has produced differs from an actual Birth Cerificate created on the day he was born.

For example, here's a copy of a "Certificate of Live Birth" from a person born in Hawaii in 1961:


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Now, here's Obama's "Certificate of Live Birth" which was created much later than 1961 (in fact it had to be created after 2001 because that's the date of the revision of the document - see lower left hand corner):

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What the birther's want to see is Obama's actual birth certificate from the day he was born, not a "Certificate of Live Birth" obtained at least 40 years after the fact. The problem is that only Obama can obtain and subsequently release the actual birth certificate (something he has, so far, failed to do).

 

I am saying that what you posted was not entirely accurate.

The one the President has shown is a Certification of Live Birth document and the other document that I refer to is a Certificate of Live Birth document. So, to say that the Certification of Live Birth document is the Certificate of Live Birth document and to say that the document the President has shown (Certification of Live Birth document) is all anyone born at that time has.....is not entirely accurate.

I left it up for anyone who was interested to search out the knowledge on their own but CoinOKC has posted (spoonfed ) the images so it is pretty obvious to see that they are different documents. Hint: Look at the titles of the documents...


But, like I said, it doesn't make much difference since HI says they both prove the same thing.

 

I think it's a dead issue that only a fringe holds on to.

If Hillary Clinton had such news does anyone think she would have used it to the full extent? Darn right she would.


Stop beating the dead horse. It's pathetic.

 

I too think it is a dead horse except for the fringe elements out there. Which, I also think, is exactly how the Obama camp likes the status quo. Only reason I even posted about in this birther conversation at all is to clear up some inaccuracies. I tend not to argue religion or conspiracy theories...because they are way too much alike.

 

I agree completely that it is little more than conspiracy theory, I just didn't know what it was based on. I'll rely on the opinions of the experts and let the nuts have their day on their own little planet with their own little reality.

 

After reading all this & hearing what Trump & others are saying, why wouldn't BO just release his actual birth certificate? No certificate of live birth or certification of live birth, just the real deal. That would put everything to rest wouldn't it?

 

If he did that, the birthers would disappear overnight. With the birthers raising a stink, the Obama camp can point at them and say, "Look how crazy they are". So, it works to Obama's advantage to keep the birth certificate hidden.

 

I don't know that one exists. I never had a birth certificate just a certificate of live birth. I don't know if my parents ever had a birth certificate for me be they did have a document that looks a lot like the first one Okie posted. I think I'll request one and see what shows up in the mail.

 

A few people claim to have seen it so I don't see how "it doesn't exist, maybe" could be the answer.
He needs to do the whole country a service & just release it. It would eliminate a lot of dissention & uncertainty....it would be the responsible thing to do.

 

Yeah. That's the link that'll bring us all together.

 

Maybe only the certificate of live birth exists. Maybe there is no actual "birth certificate".

I just pulled out My "birth document", my wife's, my three kids, and my decesed father-in-law's. Here is what I found.

Mine "certificate of live birth" (minnesota)
My wife "record of birth" (new jersey)
My first two kids just "vital statistics record" (california)
My youngest kid "certificate of live birth" (illinois)
My father-in-law "certification of birth" and "birth certificate" (new york)

Point is that I think that there is no standard all states adhere to or at least there wasn't decades ago.

 

Yeah, states call them all sorts of different things. The birthers are wanting Obama to produce the document created in 1961. The administrators at the Vital Statistics Bureau (or whatever they call it in Hawaii) have said that they've seen the actual 1961 document and, in turn, issued the "Certificate of Live Birth" that's floating around all over the internet and news media outlets. That's good enough for me, but others still want to see the 1961 document.

 

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It's another puppet show. Trump is a puppet being used to extort Obama.

The birth certificate question is how they haven’t asked this case in 2008 election? All the candidate should have been screened through the background security scrutiny.

This is another extortion on President. What is their demand? Likely it is the war on Iran. To justify the war, the President must allow a 911 alike “terror attack” going through the US, possibly a nuclear attack this time. If Obama refused to let go the plan, he would have been ousted or even been assassinated.

Quote, “CIA Spy Captured Giving Nuclear Bomb To Terrorists

Most ominous in this SVR report, though, is Pakistan’s ISI stating that top-secret CIA documents found in Davis’s possession point to his, and/or TF373, providing to al Qaeda terrorists “nuclear fissile material” and “biological agents” they claim are to be used against the United States itself in order to ignite an all-out war in order to reestablish the West’s hegemony over a Global economy that is warned is just months away from collapse.

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“Operation Northwoods, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war.”

Though Operation Northwoods had the “approval” of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, it did not have the approval of their boss, President John F. Kennedy (1917-1963), but who barely one year after his outright rejection of this monstrous plan to kill thousands of innocent Americans was gunned down as an example to any future US leader what would happen to them if they dared go against the wishes of the Military-Industrial Complex (MIC).

Today, as the US Department of Homeland Security has just issued a grim warning that the threat of terror strike on America is at a higher level than it has been since September 11, 2001, and the WikiLeaks release of secret US government cables reveals that al Qaeda is on the brink of using a nuclear bomb, a new President stands between his people and the CIA warmongers with the only question being will he protect them like Kennedy did?

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Source
CIA Spy Captured Giving Nuclear Bomb To Terrorists | EUTimes.net