Trump sounds serious!

I really wasn't trying to rationalize anything, but you knew that, right?. My point is simply that polls can be self serving and aren't always gospel, unless of course they justify the point you wish to make. A random sampling of 419 Iowans hardly speaks for all Republicans in Iowa much less the entire country.....and from the comments posted here your poll doesn't support what the Repubs on this forum believe.

 

I still think you're rationalizing. The comments HERE do not represent a poll yet they are enough to convince you of the falseness of a real poll. Funny huh?

 

You can get a poll to say just about anything you want it to say - all you have to do is change a couple words in the questions asked.

 

Welcome aboard the rationalization bandwagon. Don't forget to buckle up!

 

Your stats were from Iowa... so what?

 

Random is one thing. Your post indicates you've had many pollsters over many years. Unless you live in the Poll Belt of America I find it unlikely you'd be contacted that much. And why couldn't you just say no thanks and close the door or hang up the phone? You said yourself you had fun with them which implies false answers. Is that a lesson you want to teach your children? "Look kids this is how we have fun at someone else's expense.". I mean they are only seeking the truth, why humiliate them?

 

Unless you actually read paragraph 3. Geeesh!

 

What is "PPP" anyway?

 

Piss Pants Party?

 

Pumpkinhead Poll Postulations

 

I'm not sure where I stand on the birther argument at this point. I'll repeat what I've said in the past though. If somehow the true, honest to God answer of where he was born was locked in a box and you had to pick from a list of options, WITH CONSEQUENCES, I'd bet the percentages that would refuse to do it would be shocking. Let's play! The real answer's in the box. You pick "he was born in the US". If you're correct, your mortgage is paid off. If you're wrong, you die. How many here would be confident enough to take that chance!? I sure as hell wouldn't. Who knows what paperwork could have been fabricated to get him in there.

What pisses me off is that this has to be an issue at all. Whoever's right, this is a controversy that was not needed. There's over 300 million people in the US. We couldn't just have a John Smith who grew up in Kansas with a normal life. Or a Tyrone Jackson that grew up on the streets of Detroit. Nothing simple. That'd be too easy. It had to be a F'd up mess.

Moen prefers to analyze and languish over polls based on obvious, predictable, public doubts, than worry about the root of the problem.

 

It's funny how upset you are by a mess your own party created for itself and of course your Right wing mouthpiece the so called Fox News Channel. Yes, this nonsense is coming back to bite you in the ass and I can have no pity for your party or your base's ignorance. You made the bed and now you have to lay in it. Congratulations! You've succeeded in convincing your own of something that they cannot let go of and now people look at them like they are carrying the plague. Doubt is one thing but the relentless droning of a 24-hour news cycle pushing the same birther nonsense for 2 years is a whole 'nother animal. All that is left to do at this point is to try and blame the Left for creating this birther nonsense with yet another little history rewrite. I can't wait, oh wait, already started.

P.S. Global warming is real too! Shhhhhhhh!

 

My question wasnt rhetorical. Why would you get pleasure out of humiliating someone you dont even know?

 

The terms of that bet are stupid. Put up immortality versus death and see how many immediately take the bet, myself included.

Hey Moen,

I checked some of the other polls completed by PissPantsPolling and found something interesting. In a National Republican Presidential Poll conducted on 4/15/11 only 23% of Republicans polled said they "would be unWilling to support a candidate for the nomination who firmly stated they believed Barack Obama was born in the United States."

I guess that means that about half of the Republicans who say the don't believe Obama was born in the US are doing so simply so they can attack him. It definitely proves that this is not a serious issue.

 

PPP States:

23% of these voters say they would not be willing to vote for a candidate who stated
clearly that Obama was born in the U.S. 38% say they would, and a 39% plurality are
not sure. Among the hardcore birthers, Trump leads with 37%, almost three times as
much support as anyone else. He comes in only third at 17% with those who are fine
with a candidate that thinks the President was born in the country. Romney, who recently
stated he believes Obama is a citizen, leads with 23% with that group but gets only 10%
with birthers.

 

Moen. Just join the dark side. You'll feel better. You're going to have to sooner or later. C'Mon; "One of us, one of us.".

 

You're proving my point. Why does the reward have to increase in order to make it worth taking the bet? If it's such a "sure thing", like the sun rising in the east tomorrow, then there should be no qualms about going for it.

The point is, I don't care what the reward was. There's no way I or most people here would risk death for being wrong because enough doubt exists! I've seen nothing that makes me confident enough to believe he was guaranteed born in the US and his actions have only raised my suspicions. I'm saying I'd rather pay my mortgage for another 20 years than take that gamble. Keyword: gamble.

 

Do I need to explain odds to you? Paying off a mortgage is not life changing. Make it $10 Million tax free and watch the numbers rise. But nobody is going to risk there life for a few $100K even if the odds are 100 to 1.

 

Paying off a mortgage is not life changing? Maybe not to you but to most it would be. No, I understand odds perfectly. I'm asking why there are any odds involved at all? Someone like moen believes there are no odds on this. If people like him (and maybe you) assume there is no doubt Obama is a US born citizen then he should be willing to take that bet over ANY sized amount of personal gain since there's no risk of losing (death). In his opinion. There are no odds.

Anybody that questions it even a little, has to put odds on it with varying degrees of reward before they would risk taking the gamble over it. Which you have proven. I'm asking why this issue is a gamble at all? This is normally a simple issue. You know me less than Obama. I have nothing to gain. If you ask for a signed BC from me and really wanted to know, JUST FOR THE FUN OF IT, I wouldn't have a problem e-mailing you a copy. Would it involve the same cloud of controversy that B.O.s does that hasn't been seen? Could you take it for face value? With the same bet in play, would there need to be any odds concerning the validity of mine?

 

The problem with your analysis is that you are putting money up against someone's life. People will value their life much more than money (typically). You are not going to get any takers on the bet unless you give them ridiculous odds. Why don't you make both parts of the wager monetary, and then test your little theory? You will find that most are very willing to gamble on the issue.

Moen is right about the birther issue. Republicans who believe it make themselves look very foolish. In my opinion, the chances that Obama is not American are about the same as any other ridiculous conspiracy theory, including 9/11. But unlike Moen, I will criticize anyone who is wrong regardless of their party affiliation. Birthers are clowns!