How Does Anyone Justify Locking People Out of the State Capitol???

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Moen1305, Mar 2, 2011.

  1. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    I guess Governor Walker up in Wisconsin doesn't want to hear what the people of Wisconsin have to say. He has ordered the capitol building locked, refused to allow even some people that work there access, and had the windows welded shut, and now is defying a judge’s orders to open the public building up to the citizens of Wisconsin per the Wisconsin State Constitution. I'd say that dictator Walker has shot himself in his webbed lame duck foot for his remaining few months in office while he waits for the inevitable recall. The longer this goes on, the less support he has. What an ideologue.
     
  2. Stujoe

    Stujoe Well-Known Member

    I can see not allowing groups of angry protestors access to the state Capitol. But, from what you are describing, the Governor is overstepping that by a long ways.
     
  3. jth

    jth New Member

    One good reason to close the capitol is because the liberal union thugs protestors are a bunch of slobs. State Senator Glenn Grothman says We're trying to keep some people out of the building because right now the building is becoming a pigsty. The building smells. We used to have nice little groups of fourth grade children walking through the building. All that's being shut down by a bunch of slobs taking up the building! We can no longer continue to have all these slobs in the building. College students who are having a fun party, that's largely who's in the building overnight.

    It's just a bunch of rabble-rousers, plus union thugs join together in creating a pigsty -- and we know that they create pigsties, especially compared to Tea Party rallies. You look at any public grounds where these people have been: The trash is littered everywhere, trash cans are overturned, beer cans, bong pipes. These leftist protesters, leave used Kotex! The Tea Party people, you don't find anything. Not even a discarded tissue.
     
  4. CoinOKC
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    CoinOKC T R U M P

    The State House IS the People's House, but I can understand keeping them out if they're messing up the place. The concept is no different than blocking access to a public restroom (or park, community center, etc.) if it becomes offensive...
     
  5. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    I haven't seen any angry protesters in the State Capitol. The police have twice issued public "Thank you's" to the protesters for their civil behavior. The people own the State House, not the Governor. He has no right to ban them from entering the building. He just doesn't seem to care about the rights of the people and looks very similar to a petty dictator.
     
  6. Stujoe

    Stujoe Well-Known Member



    People's house or no people's house, that is a security nightmare. I think it would be idiocy to let that go unchecked inside a Capitol.
     
  7. CoinOKC
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    CoinOKC T R U M P

    Youre kidding, right? What Teletubbies channel have you been watching if you haven't seen angry protesters? You might be right in saying that you haven't seen something like excessive violence from the crowd, but to not call them angry shows that you're not paying attention, Tinky Winky. Those cheesebaggers are pretty rowdy!!

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  8. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    My favorite image from the situation is a young boy 8 or 9-years old carrying a sign that said, "Union Thug".

    I don't know where you came up with your graphic description of the inside of the capitol building but they colorful if not entirely fictional. I have seen no mess at all in all the camera shots from inside the capitol. One story had a janitor coming through to clean and wax the floors as was his job and he was thanked by the protesters who moved out of his way so that he could do his job.

    What do you have against working people who just want a voice in their own work situation? Why should some petty elected Tea bagger Governor get to shut their voices down with a trumpted up excuse? What happened to all the dictators ala Obama? This is about as dictatorial as it gets. Why the double standard?
     
  9. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    Insults aside, I've seen loud, passionate, vocal protesters but calling them angry is just missing the point that they have something to be angry about and haven't resorted to violence. Are you expecting them to sit around and sing until the idiot governor finally listens?
     
  10. CoinOKC
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    CoinOKC T R U M P

    I'm just seeing a bunch of angry cheesebaggers....
     
  11. Stujoe

    Stujoe Well-Known Member

    If they aren't angry about what is happening to them, they are none too bright. I understand their anger. I just don't understand anyone thinking it is a good idea to have that kind of protest inside a Capitol building. On the grounds, whatever. But, not inside a Capitol building.
     
  12. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    Excellent video! Thank you. To quote the Right, I think the government should be a little afraid of the people. Grothman will never forget that trip to the capitol I'm willing to bet. Right on Democracy!
     
  13. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    I think V said it best, "The building is a symbol. As is the act of destroying it. Alone a symbol is meaningless. But with enough people, blowing up a building can change the world." Also, "This country needs more than a building right now. It needs hope"

    Not that they should blow up the building or anything but if indeed it gets a little messed up while the people are fighting for a voice in a democracy, so be it. You hear what I'm saying?
     
  14. CoinOKC
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    CoinOKC T R U M P

    I'm all for the right to speak, but not for the right to destroy (or a "little messed up" as you put it). The property belongs not only to them, but to all the citizens of Wisconsin and they need to respect that.
     
  15. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    Sorry, there is just a greater principle at stake here than littering if it is happening. If the property belongs to the people of Wisconsin, then the protesters are just exercising their right to use the property for the purpose they deem necessary.
     
  16. CoinOKC
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    CoinOKC T R U M P

    I disagree. The principle to which you refer is their right to speak. No one is impeding that right. I wouldn't want the State Capitol smelling like a bunch of cheesebaggers, either. They can speak, but don't mess up the place.
     
  17. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    Wrong! The principle to which I speak is the right to be heard. Under this bill, government does not have to listen to anything the workers are saying. Tyranny! Plain and simple. We are seeing a tyrannical dictator grab power here. If you objected to it when you thought you saw it in Obama, why side with it when it is one of yours?
     
  18. Stujoe

    Stujoe Well-Known Member

    Hate Speech! Violent Rhetoric! Seize him! ;)

    But, in all seriousness, there is no way those people or any group like that, regardless of politics or worthy cause, should be allowed in a building like that, in my opinion. It is dangerous, not in a symbolic way, but in a real way. And in many ways.
     
  19. rlm's cents
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    rlm's cents Well-Known Member

    You really think you have the right to walk into any publicly owned building when ever you want? Really? Just think of that a minute. Prisons are publicly owed. Try to walk into Manson's cell. The Pentagon is publicly owned. I would love to see just how far you could get there. The White House is publicly owned............
     
  20. CoinOKC
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    CoinOKC T R U M P

    Uh uh... we're talking about the rights of the people to speak in the State House. Nothing gives them the right to destroy property and if they're doing so (and I'm not saying they are) then they should be blocked (just as if they're tearing up a public restroom). They certainly have the right to peacably assemble and they have the right to speak. Nothing gives them the right to be heard.
     

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