Conservative Kristol Takes on Beck BUT... Why Have the Liberal Pudits NOT!!!

You can be above the fray for just so long before it looks like you are just afraid of the fight. The liberal news media needs to call Beck out on his wild conspiracies as Kristol has recently done. I have said that Conservatives need to police their own for like ever but here we see that Bill Kristol is actually stepping up to the plate to do just that and it begs the question; why haven't the more liberal networks and pundits been doing this all along? Jump onboard you Johnny-come-lately cowards. Lies must be addressed or they grow and fester into bigger lies.

ABC News: Conservatives "Taking Sides" On Egypt, Setting Up "Rift" Between Beck, Kristol
February 10, 2011 8:20 pm ET

From a February 10 item on ABC News' The Note:

Conservatives are taking sides, lining up behind two of the biggest names on the American right as a tiff over the crisis in Egypt this week turned into a national debate about who speaks for the movement.

In one corner, Bill Kristol, editor of The Weekly Standard , Fox News contributor and dauphin of American neoconservatism. In the other corner Glenn Beck, the emotive host of his own Fox News program and Tea Party standard bearer.

[...]

Conservatives are taking sides, setting up a rift between old-school neocons like Kristol and Tea Party types like Beck.

Predictably, it’s those old-school conservatives who are glad to see Beck taken down a notch.

Writing in the National Review, Bill Lowry said Kristol took “a well-deserved shot at Glenn Beck’s latest wild theorizing.”

In Commentary, Bill Whener called Beck’s attack “childish and churlish” and compared the talk show host’s theory about an international caliphate to a “fever dream” that connects the dots “of a massive and astonishingly well-organized conspiracy.”

On the other side, Aaron Klein writing for arch-conservative website WorldNetDaily wrote simply: “I feel compelled to join Glenn Beck’s side.”

The rift comes as Beck has seen a dramatic drop in his ratings and other feuds – most recently between Sarah Palin and former Sen. Rick Santorum – expose fissures in conservative America’s usually lockstep message.

 

Beck has shredded Kristols argument with actual history. Look into it

 

Yeah..Beck always mixes in some truth with his propaganda. People are too lazy to look, as usual.

 

Can you post Beck's response? I doubt Beck has the ability to beat Kristol at anything except lying. I don't even like Kristol but he is one of the few on the conservative side that has called out Beck. Somebody needs to before Beck has another crazy driving his way one of Beck's targeted organizations to shoot it up. I can't wait for the day when one of the victims family members sues Beck and Fox for their irresponsible rhetoric after one of these Beck inspired violent acts.

 

I know this has been asked before (but I don't think it was ever answered)...what has Beck said that is so outrageous? People always accuse him of lying & being inflammatory but the few times I have heard him that hasn't been the case. What did I miss?

 

I think the violence you're referring to was Obama's comment about "bringing a gun" if they "brought a knife".

 

No, he's referring to the talking points he hears from the liberal left...the same folks who tried to blame the right for the shootings in AZ- remember, the one by the liberal loon?

 

Oh, thaaaaaaaat's right! The act committed in Arizona by the liberal psychopath. The one who enjoyed reading Mein Kampf and the Communist Manifesto.

 

Then you think incorrectly. I was referring to was Byron Williams.

Glenn Beck and the Oakland shooter
By Dana Milbank

Late on a Saturday night two weeks ago, an unemployed carpenter packed his mother's Toyota Tundra with guns and set off for San Francisco with a plan to kill progressives.

When California Highway Patrol officers stopped him on an interstate in Oakland for driving erratically, Byron Williams, wearing body armor, fired at police with a 9mm handgun, a shotgun and a .308-caliber rifle with armor-piercing bullets, Oakland police say. Shot and captured after injuring two officers, Williams, on parole for bank robbery, told investigators that he wanted "to start a revolution" by "killing people of importance at the Tides Foundation and the ACLU," according to a police affidavit. His mother, Janice, told the San Francisco Chronicle that her son had been watching television news and was upset by "the way Congress was railroading through all these left-wing agenda items."

But what television news show could have directed the troubled man's ire toward the obscure Tides Foundation, which sounds as if it's dedicated to oceanography, or perhaps laundry detergent, but which is in fact a nonprofit that claims to support "sustainability, better education, solutions to the AIDS epidemic and human rights"?

A week after the incident, the mystery was solved. "Tides was one of the hardest things that we ever tried to explain, and everyone told us that we couldn't," Fox News host Glenn Beck told his radio listeners on Monday. "The reason why the blackboard" -- the prop Beck uses on his TV show to trace conspiracies -- "really became what the blackboard is, is because I was trying to explain Tides and how all of this worked." Beck accuses Tides of seeking to seize power and destroy capitalism, and he suggests that a full range of his enemies on the left all have "ties to the Tides Center." On Monday, he savored the fact that "no one knew what Tides was until the blackboard."


For good measure, Beck went after Tides again on Fox that night. And Tuesday night, Wednesday night and Thursday night. That's on top of 29 other mentions of Tides on Beck's Fox show over the past 18 months (two in the week before the shootout) according to a tally by the liberal press watchdog Media Matters. Other than two mentions of Tides on the show of Beck's Fox colleague Sean Hannity, Media Matters said it was unable to find any other mention of Tides on any news broadcast by any network over that same period. Beck declined comment.

It's not fair to blame Beck for violence committed by people who watch his show. Yet Williams isn't the only such character with a seeming affinity for the Fox News host. In April 2009, a man allegedly armed with an AK-47, a .22-caliber rifle and a handgun was charged with killing three cops in Pittsburgh. The Anti-Defamation League reported that the accused killer had, as part of a pattern of activities involving far-right conspiracy theories, posted a link on a neo-Nazi Web site to a video of Beck talking about the possibility that the Federal Emergency Management Agency was operating concentration camps in Wyoming. The killings came after Beck told Fox viewers that he "can't debunk" the notion that FEMA was operating such camps -- but before he finally acknowledged that the conspiracy wasn't real.

Beck has at times spoken against violence, but he more often forecasts it, warning that "it is only a matter of time before an actual crazy person really does something stupid." Most every broadcast has some violent imagery: "The clock is ticking. . . . The war is just beginning. . . . Shoot me in the head if you try to change our government. . . . You have to be prepared to take rocks to the head. . . . The other side is attacking. . . . There is a coup going on. . . . Grab a torch! . . . Drive a stake through the heart of the bloodsuckers. . . . They are taking you to a place to be slaughtered. . . . They are putting a gun to America's head. . . . Hold these people responsible."

Beck has prophesied darkly to his millions of followers that we are reaching "a point where the people will have exhausted all their options. When that happens, look out." One night on Fox, discussing the case of a man who killed 10 people, Beck suggested such things were inevitable. "If you're a conservative, you are called a racist, you want to starve children," he said. "And every time they do speak out, they are shut down by political correctness. How do you not have those people turn into that guy?"

Here's one idea: Stop encouraging them.

 

He's not a Right winger BUT he IS a Left winger? I see. Whatever it takes to let you guys sleep at night I guess.

 

You seem eager to condemn someone who doesn't agree with your point of view. But, you're strangely silent on the matter of the nutjob who shot Rep. Giffords. Glenn Beck no more caused that whacko to try to harm the Tides Foundation than Ed Schultz caused Jared Laughner to do what he did.

I happen to like the First Amendment and applaud Beck's attempts to expose the corruption of the Tides Foundation. Would you rather he remain silent? Don't answer that, I already know the answer...

 

Ah, short memory or revisionism to save face? Which is it? I can't find the link but I did post it here...an interview with one of the shooter's lifelong friends confirmed he was a liberal. It may not mesh with with your marching orders and you can say whatever you want but once again it's those pesky facts that are your downfall my good dr.

Oh yeah, it was also dr moen who condemned the filmmaker for catching a Planned Parenthood manager advising, who she thought was a pimp, on how to circumvent the law & obtain abortions for his child prostitutes.

 

I rather Beck stopped encouraging nut jobs like Williams who confirmed his motivation was Beck's program and William's mother also confirmed the same thing. Cause and effect! I know that you have the ability to blind yourself to the truth but the rest of us don't have that problem.

 

Being a liberal does not make you a murderer. He shot a Democrat Einstein! He didn't shot anyone for political reasons but Williams did.

 

Oh, but he is a liberal & he is a murderer. Don't forget the fact that so many of you lefties were quick to claim a connection to this act & the right's rhetoric only for it to be proven that he is a liberal. This fact makes most of your accusations about the right's rhetoric quite questionable.

 

I swore off a week or two from politics, but I guess I am an addict. Anyways,

Moen, there is a website csalled the blaze, yes owned by Beck. He totaly dismantles Kristols argument with facts from history and folks in their own words.

the problem is, so many judge beck without even listening to him. are you willing to give it a read or a listen?

 

Welcome back, Jack!

 

Moen, here's background on George Soros and his involvement in the Tides Foundation (no they're not into oceanography or laundry detergent, just so you'll know). Sorry if you have to read so much"

BACKGROUND (George Soros)
“Messianic Fantasies”

• “It is sort of a disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out,” (The Independent, June 3, 1993)

• “I admit that I have always harbored an exaggerated view of self-importance –to put it bluntly, I fancied myself as some kind of god or an economic reformer like Keynes or, even better, a scientist like Einstein,” (The Alchemy of Finance, George Soros)

• According to friend Byron Wien (now with the Blackstone Group), “You must understand he thinks he’s been anointed by God to solve insoluble problems. The proof is that he has been so successful at making so much. He therefore thinks he has a responsibility to give money away,” (Time Magazine, Sept 1, 1997)

• “If truth be known, I carried some rather potent messianic fantasies with me from childhood which I felt I had to control, otherwise I might end up in the loony bin. But when I made my way in the world I wanted to indulge myself in my fantasies to the extent that I could afford.”

• George Soros 60 Minutes Interview – 12/20/98 / Transcript:

KROFT: Are you religious?
Mr. SOROS: No.
KROFT: Do you believe in God?
Mr. SOROS: No.
KROFT: (Voiceover) Soros told us he believes God was created by man, not the other way around, which may be why he thinks he can smooth out the world’s imperfections.



“THE MAN WHO BROKE THE BANK OF ENGLAND”

• “As September 15 wore on, George Soros’s confidence that Britain would pull the pound out of the ERM was growing. It had been Stanley Druckenmiller who had thought the time ripe for making a bet against the sterling. He talked to Soros about doing something. Soros gave him the green light but urged his head trader to bet an even larger sum than Druckenmiller had in mind. And so Druckenmiller, acting for Soros, sold $10 billion worth of sterling… The next morning at 7:00, the phone rang at Soros’s home. It was Stan Druckenmiller with news… While George Soros had slept, he racked a profit $958 million. When Soros’s gains from other positions he took during the ERM crisis were tallied, he racked up close to $2 billion… It was this bet, this single act of placing $10 billion on the fact that Britain would have to devalue the pound, that made George Soros world famous,” (SOROS THE UNAUTHORIZED BIOGRAPHY, pgs 5-6).

• “He famously shorted the British pound in 1992, wagering $10 billion on a drop in its value. In a desperate bid to keep its currency afloat, the Bank of England tried to buy up pounds as fast as Soros could dump them. However, as more and more investors followed Soros’ lead and joined his efforts, the Bank of England eventually gave up. The British pound was devalued, launching a tsunami of financial turmoil from Tokyo to Rome. When it was over, millions of hardworking Britons confronted their diminished savings, while Soros counted his gains. He had personally made nearly $2 billion on the catastrophe,” (The Shadow Party, pg. 4).

• Soros has said of this event: “I had no platform, so I deliberately [did] the sterling thing to create a platform. Obviously people care about the man who made a lot of money…my influence has continued to grow and I do have access to,”(Time Magazine, Sept 1, 1997)

• In 1997, during the Asian financial crisis, the then Malaysian Prime Minister, Mahathir bin Mohamad, accused him of bringing down the Malaysian currency, the ringgit, through his trading activities. In Thailand he was branded an “economic war criminal” who “sucks the blood from the people”.

REVOLUTIONS

• “Just write that the former Soviet Empire is now called the Soros Empire,” (The New Republic, Jan 1994)

• “I am acting out a fantasy and so is Eastern Europe. A psychiatrist once told me how dangerous it is to act out fantasies and I am beginning to see what he meant,” (Postscript)

 

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ANTI-SEMITISM

• In a 1998 nterview with Steve Kroft, Soros was asked if he felt guilty about confiscating property from Jews as a teenager. He responded, “No.”

• “I don’t deny the Jews their right to a national existence–but I don’t want to be part of it.”That experience notwithstanding, Soros has chosen to exclude Israel and Jewish causes, by and large, from his massive philanthropy-a decision that has caused comment among one of his colleagues in the financial community, particularly those who are strong supporters of Israel. In Hungary, Soros has been subject to anti-Semitic attacks. Referring to being a target, Soros, in his book “Underwriting Democracy,” wrote, “I am ready to stand up and be counted.” When I mentioned that rather suggestive line to Soros during one of several extended interviews with him, he responded quickly, “Right. It took me a long time.”
  He continued, “My mother was quite anti-Semitic, and ashamed of being Jewish. Given the culture in which one lived, being Jewish was a clear-cut stigma, disadvantage, a handicap-and, therefore, there was always the desire to transcend it, to escape it.” He confirmed what someone had told me-that his family name had long ago been changed from Schwartz. “So the assimilationist Jews of Hungary had a deep sense of inferiority and it took me a long time to work through that,” he said, adding, however, that he succeeded in doing so many years ago… “I am escaping the particular. I think I am doing exactly that by espousing this universal concept”-of open society. “In other words, I don’t think that you can ever overcome anti-Semitism if you behave as a tribe… the only way you can overcome it is if you give up the tribalness.” (Source: THE WORLD ACCORDING TO SOROS by CONNIE BRUC, The New Yorker, January 23, 1995,)

• “As I looked around me for a worthy cause. I ran into difficulties. I did not belong to any community. As a Hungarian Jew I had never quite become an American. I had left Hungary behind and my Jewishness did not express itself in a sense of tribal loyalty that would have led me to support Israel,” (1 Personal Involvement)

INFO ON NAME CHANGE FROM SHWARTZ TO SOROS

• Born in Hungary in 1930, Mr. Soros began life as George Schwartz. His father, Tivadar, was from humble origins; his mother, Erzebet, from money. Both were Jews, but nonobservant (she eventually converted to Catholicism). Once married, Tivadar had to work just two hours a day managing some of his wife’s family property, which provided a handsome living for them and their two sons, Paul and George. At some point during the boys’ childhood, the parents decided to change the family name and chose the Hungarian-sounding but in fact obscure Soros. It means “soar” (in the future tense) in Esperanto, the made-up trans-European language promoted by those who dreamed of a world free of nationality. Tivadar was among its leading proponents. (Source: The Mind of George Soros; Meet the Esperanto enthusiast who wants to save the world from President Bush, 2 March 2004, The Wall Street Journal)

• Before the end of the war, however, Soros’ upper-middle-class world had inverted. The family posed as Christians and separated to hide from the Germans. They changed their name from Schwartz (considered too Jewish-sounding) to Soros (more reflective of the family’s Hungarian roots and because his father liked the palindrome). (The elusive billionaire: An author tries valiantly to capture the essence of philanthropist George Soros, Vancouver Sun, 20 April 2002)