Soooooo...When Will the Republican Controlled House Start Working on Job, Jobs, Jobs

You can tell me what your beliefs are but you may not tell me what my beliefs are. MY belief is that everyone that uses the health care system in this country should help pay for it and as I have said before, show me someone who has never used it and they can make the argument for not being forced to participate that you don't have the high ground to make because you DO use the health care system. And by the way, you and your Right wing buddies have no trouble forcing your abortion beliefs on pregnant women. And let us not forget current events such as the U.S. House of Reps. trying to redefine rape so that rape is only really rape if it involves force at least according to the new House Republican majority as it now moves to change abortion law.

Yeah, talk to me about forcing your beliefs on others when you actually have a leg to stand on.

 

I'm happy that you can believe that, but please don't force your beliefs on me.

But, it's OK for you to force your beliefs on everyone else. You're a hypocrite.

I'm not that familiar with this proposal, but playing Devil's Advocate for a moment, is it considered "rape" if the act is consensual? I mean, by definition, it's not rape unless the act is forced or performed against someone's consent or will.

 

It's not a belief system, it's the law!

 

Well, maybe not for long if keener minds prevail.

 

You mean like those that want caps on their benefits when they find out that they have cancer. Those that want to be denied coverage for pre-existing medical conditions. Those that do not want to reap the tax benefits for insuring their employees. Those that want their children to be thrown off of their insurance when they turn 18. Those 45 million people that have no access to the health care system because they have been priced out of the market. Are those the keener minds you think will prevail? I'm not sure keener is the word that comes to mind.

Remember, you can always pay more so you don't have to participate in the new law. Nobody will tell you that you can't. All you have to do is cap your own insurance coverage during your next long term illness and simply pay whatever portion your insurance company doesn't want to pay. I'm sure that they'll work with you on this one.

 

I don't believe corporations are good for the non wealthy. Please don't force your beliefs on me.

 

And yet you DO have health coverage? Hum? I think the point that goes right over your head is that you have health coverage and don't want to be forced to have it while there are approximately 45 million people in this country that are forced out of the current health care system and really don't have the privilege that you have to both stand on principle and have health coverage at the same time. Is it just possible that you are blinded by your own privilege? Is it just possible that your mind immediately turns to blaming those 45 million people for their own plight? Is it just possible that the system that works for you right now is broken and getting worse?
Try to force your brain to think about a few of these questions. Oh yeah, I forgot how much you hate to be forced to do something but I suppose no one can really force you to think anyway.

 

You assume too much. I haven't had health care coverage since 2004.

 

Because you're on Medicare at your ripe old age? Or are you just lying as usual.

 

Nope, not on Medicare. Nor am I lying. I left my job in 2004 to take care of my elderly father instead of putting him in a nursing home. I've been taking care of him until last month when we finally put him in a nursing home. During that time, I contracted pneumonia and was in the hospital for over a month and underwent two surgeries to save my life. I'll let you imagine what the hospital bill amounted to. I dealt directly with the hospital and set up a payment plan in order to pay back my expense. The amount I pay each month keeps me from enjoying a lot of niceties in life like a large flat-screen TV, a new car whenever I want one or having the ability to dine out all the time.

The point is, I'm not asking for a handout. I'm not asking you to pay my bills. I'm not asking anyone to pay my bills. You might say, "Well, would you rather have paid into a big pot along with everyone else if it meant not having to pay a big amount instead"? No, I wouldn't. That's because you and everyone else would have to pay my bill. Maybe it's a foreign concept to you, but there's something called "individual responsibility" and I adhere to it. You may enjoy living in the collective commune, but I want no part of it.

 

Your portfolio's doing very well I'm sure. The commune is only for "other people". You're safe. AT&T is up 3 points and "the market" seems to be working well for you. Congratulations your highness.

 

You're senseless, as usual.

 

I can respect that you wanted to take care of your father in his twilight years but I also know that one month in a hospital and two surgeries without any kind of medical insurance would put you in debt in the 100's of thousands of dollars in today’s market. Neither you nor anyone else could afford to pay that kind of medical bill no matter how long you live nor is it reasonable to expect anyone to pay it. The average cost for a 5-day hospital stay, not counting surgery, is 24,000 dollars. Tack on 50-60 thousand for each of the surgeries and you are well into the 300 thousand dollar range. You're trying to tell that you expect other Americans to make payments on a debt like that because you were too shortsighted to buy medical insurance? Isn't the better solution to make the medical system more affordable so that the number one cause of bankruptcies (Medical costs) doesn't destroy a family's finances?

If you actually are paying off 100’s of thousands of dollars in debt because you didn’t have medical insurance, 1. You were an idiot for not having medical insurance, 2. You are bitter because you have so much debt and your credit is destroyed, and 3. You can’t expect that anyone else would want to fall into the same situation you are in and think that they should respect you for wanting to pay off a debt you couldn’t possibly pay off.

…Or you are simply lying about the whole situation or leaving out details.

 

Someday, just by accident, you might manage to get some facts right. My wife's 2 surgeries and 3 weeks in the hospital ran about $60,000. My major surgery (lung removal), pneumonia, 3 weeks in the hospital ran a total of $69,000.

 

Moen, first of all I'm not lying, so let's set the record straight. I've never lied to you about anything. My expenses are my business and I don't believe you need to know how much they cost. I'll say that it was considerably less than the "hundreds of thousands" of dollars you've referenced. The point of the matter is that the hospital and I worked out a payment plan that was reasonable to both of us and didn't affect my credit score one iota. It's between the hospital and me. Not you. Not the government. Not my neighbors nor anyone else.

If people want health insurance, they should buy it. But, how dare one American citizen force another American citizen to buy it!

 

One more , oil independence . We have the product in many forms,the way and means to keep our money at home !
Sending money to those who are very near the root of terrorism we supply both sides of the equation. We have vast amounts of coal , oil , natural gas and green waste to produce ethanol.
The greenies have convinced Mr. Obama , that Tonka cars, and wind mills are the future. Instead they create a situation where narco drug growing units are using land taken from states to grow drugs in America .
Actually Mr. Obama came to office with those notions planted between his ears.

Pep

 

First off, my wife is a health policy analyst. She graduated with her PhD from the RAND Corporation. It is possible that I have better access to the health care data than you do in Podunk Nowhere USA. I think your anecdotal story is fine but really isn't the standard nor is it applicable to all areas of the country. One day just by accident, you may realize that everything else in the world doesn't revolve around your experiences.

One source states:
Hospital stay is an expensive prospect, no matter what the reason behind it. The average cost of hospital room, board, and care is about $4,350 per night. A 5-day stay, the average time spent in a hospital for most patients, is $24,000. The exact cost of your stay will depend on time, the type of treatment, and the level of monitoring and care required. The more serious the illness, the more expensive the stay will become.

Go ahead a google your own source. They are all pretty close to the 20K range depending on illness.

 

Your stories never seem to add up in the end. You've always got the perfect example for any topic that just happens to be from your own life. I may have been born at night, but it wasn't last night. You really aren't telling me much if you admitted that you have 100K in medical expenses after a month in the hospital and two surgeries. I'd be shocked if it were that small of a number so telling me what the final bill was isn't really prying into your business. Even if my wife wasn't a health policy analyst, just from my own personal experience, which I realize is regionally different, my hospital bill 10 years ago to remove a kidney stone was over 10k and it was outpatient. I also know that the cost of health care rises about 10% annually so your story just doesn't make logical sense and I know that you are leaving details out or it is a total fabrication.

I really don't care what your situation is but I am smart enough to know when someone is trying to play me. You simply don't quit a job in 2004, take care of someone until a month ago, and then make payments that have to range in the 100's of thousands and still have good credit ta boot. If you are implying that you had enough cash saved up when you quit your job in 2004, you could have easily afforded health care insurance BUT CHOSE NOT TO? You see why your story doesn't add up. Everything is just too convenient. Play someone else. Sorry I'm not buying your story.

BTW My household income is near 200K annually and I have health insurance. Am I stupid or were you stupid?

 

Are you even in the right thread??????

 

Goody, goody, for you and your wife. It ain't data access I need. Those were my bills from my own personal experience. You can scream all day long and until the cows come home that my numbers don't meet your averages, but you cannot even begin to show my numbers are wrong. I guess that is something we poor southerners got right and you haughty taughty northerners got wrong despite your superior educational system. Just to confound your info, my stay included about 12 days in ICU. Not too much more expensive than that. And then to top it off, my wife spent another 3 days in a Dallas hospital including 1 day in ICU and her total bill including the emergency room was about $6000.

I guess this is just a great example of why one-size-fits-all Obamacare should not be permitted, implemented, or so much as begun.