Obamacare is UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by rlm's cents, Jan 31, 2011.

  1. rlm's cents
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    rlm's cents Well-Known Member

    The entire heath care act has just been ruled unconstitutional and void!!!
     
  2. CoinOKC
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    CoinOKC T R U M P

    Overlord Obama just got it thrown back in his face! Pelosi is probably sitting in her bedroom crying right now.... hahah!

    Socialists have never believed in the constitution and the judge today brought it home to them. I love it.
     
  3. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    Hardly guys! But remember, see a doctor if it lasts longer than 4 hours.

    Federal judge says key parts of health care reform unconstitutional
    January 31st, 201103:01 PM ET

    A federal judge in Florida has struck down as unconstitutional key parts of the sweeping health care reform bill championed by President Barack Obama. Officials in Florida and 25 other states are challenging sections of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, including the "individual mandate" requiring most Americans to purchase health insurance in four years or face stiff penalties.


    A lower court no less. Big deal! Chalk up a temporary small victory for the American Fascists. May your thousand year Reich be as successful as the last one.
     
  4. rlm's cents
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    rlm's cents Well-Known Member

    Can the judge spell it out any clearer for you?
     
  5. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    I don't remember you getting such a strong physical reaction down south from this story:

    The next stop is likely the U.S. Supreme Court. Two other federal judges have upheld the insurance requirement, but a federal judge in Virginia also ruled the insurance provision violates the Constitution.

    I hate to burst your, you know, but you may have shot your wad for nothing.
     
  6. rlm's cents
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    rlm's cents Well-Known Member

    Burst my bubble? Sorry, but;
    "struck down as unconstitutional key parts" - Oops! Wrong.
    "The next stop is likely the U.S. Supreme Court." - Oops! Wrong again.

    BTW, just how did I get physical?
     
  7. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    Oops!

    Fla. judge strikes down Obama health care overhaul
    By MELISSA NELSON, AP

    PENSACOLA, Fla. — A federal judge ruled Monday that the Obama administration's health care overhaul is unconstitutional, siding with 26 states that sued to block it. U.S. District Judge Roger Vinson accepted without trial the states' argument that the new law violates people's rights by forcing them to buy health insurance by 2014 or face penalties.
    Attorneys for the administration had argued that the states did not have standing to challenge the law and that the case should be dismissed.
    The next stop is likely the U.S. Supreme Court. Two other federal judges have upheld the insurance requirement, but a federal judge in Virginia also ruled the insurance provision violates the Constitution.
    In his ruling, Vinson went further than the Virginia judge and declared the entire health care law unconstitutional.
    "This is obviously a very difficult task. Regardless of how laudable its attempts may have been to accomplish these goals in passing the Act, Congress must operate within the bounds established by the Constitution," Vinson wrote in his 78-page ruling.
    At issue was whether the government is reaching beyond its constitutional power to regulate interstate commerce by requiring citizens to purchase health insurance or face tax penalties.
    Attorneys for President Barack Obama's administration had argued that the health care system was part of the interstate commerce system. They said the government can levy a tax penalty on Americans who decide not to purchase health insurance because all Americans are consumers of medical care.
    But attorneys for the states said the administration was essentially coercing the states into participating in the overhaul by holding billions of Medicaid dollars hostage. The states also said the federal government is violating the Constitution by forcing a mandate on the states without providing money to pay for it.
    Florida's former Republican Attorney General Bill McCollum filed the lawsuit just minutes after Obama signed the 10-year, $938 billion health care bill into law in March. He chose a court in Pensacola, one of Florida's most conservative cities. The nation's most influential small business lobby, the National Federation of Independent Business, also joined.
    Other states that joined the suit are: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, Indiana, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, North Dakota, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Washington, Wisconsin and Wyoming.
     
  8. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    What you dumb-dumbs don't realize is that our president could simply make Medicare open to all or simply institute a public option without going through congress by issuing an executive order. He is a lot smarter than any of you and you should really be careful what you wish for. You have been warned.
     
  9. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    Yeah, how about the "key" part that forces me into a system doomed to fail???
    That's the key point I want to see addressed.
     
  10. rlm's cents
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    rlm's cents Well-Known Member

    Lets see. I quote the original ruling and you prefer somebodies twisted version. Gee, this kind of sound familiar, doesn't it?
     
  11. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    BO and his handlers are smart enough to know that would never work & it would spell the end to any shred of credibility they have left.
     
  12. CoinOKC
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    CoinOKC T R U M P

    Oh, Mr. Overlord is smarter than us rubes! You won't admit that this health care debacle is unconstitutional even if it's staring you in the face, will you? Well, a federal judge decided otherwise and he's obviously a lot smarter than you. No, I think Obama has realized he's not the socialist dictator everyone wanted him to be and that he's going to sit on his thumbs for the remainder of his two years in office until he's replaced in 2012. I'm confident the Supreme Court will find it unconstitutional also.
     
  13. arizonaJack

    arizonaJack Well-Known Member

    Anybody care to post the list of exemptions/waivers to this law that the current administration has granted to some 200+ unions and companys ?
    Of course, this will end at the SCOTUS level, that is guaranteed.
     
  14. rlm's cents
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    rlm's cents Well-Known Member

    The biggest is AFGE. (I think that is the right government employee union, anyway.) However, you are way behind, Jack. There are over 800 granted now. They were granted in December but not announced until after the State of the Union address
     
  15. Stujoe

    Stujoe Well-Known Member

    It is far from over but it is also far from being a sure bet either way.
     
  16. CoinOKC
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    CoinOKC T R U M P

    To those who've supported the health care law, if the Supreme Court finds it unconstitutional, would you still support it (at least in theory)? I'm not talking about a revised or reworked version, I'm talking about the law as it stands now.
     
  17. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther

    The Supreme court is anything but not influenced by corporate cash, so, yeah I'd still support it. Those "honorable" are simply corporate "plug-ins". Nobody there representing the average person.
     
  18. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    Ooops! Now the entire thing ISN'T unconstitutional

    Judge stays healthcare ruling, gives White House deadline
    By Tom Brown, Reuters

    MIAMI — A judge on Thursday put on hold his ruling that President Barack Obama's healthcare overhaul was unconstitutional, allowing the White House to continue implementing the landmark legislation for now.

    But U.S. District Judge Roger Vinson failed to dispel widespread uncertainty about the fate of the highly-politicized healthcare reform law. He gave the Obama administration seven days to ask an appeals court to quickly review his January 31 ruling and said the law could be declared void if it failed to meet the deadline.

    The administration had said it would appeal the Florida judge's previous ruling. It had warned that the "sweeping nature" of the judgment posed a risk of "serious harm to many Americans" benefiting from the new law, the cornerstone of Obama's domestic agenda in his first two years in office.

    It also said it could hamper efforts to combat fraud and waste in Medicare and Medicaid, the massive federal programs that provide healthcare to the elderly and poor, and "impose staggering administrative burdens" on the government and its fiscal intermediaries.

    "We appreciate the court's recognition of the enormous disruption that would have resulted if implementation of the Affordable Care Act was abruptly halted," Tracy Schmaler, a Justice Department spokeswoman, said in a statement after Vinson's ruling on Thursday.

    "We welcome the court's granting of a stay to allow the current programs and consumer protections, including tax credits to small business and millions of dollars in federal grants to help states with healthcare costs, to continue pending our appeal in the Eleventh Circuit," she said.

    REPUBLICANS OPPOSED

    In his January ruling, Vinson sided with the governors and attorneys general from 26 U.S. states, almost all Republicans, in striking down the healthcare law. He ruled its so-called individual mandate went too far in requiring that Americans start buying health insurance in 2014 or pay a penalty.

    Republicans opposed the overhaul, which includes provisions allowing young adults to remain on their parents' insurance and prevents insurers from denying coverage for pre-existing medical conditions, using the issue to make big gains in the November 2 elections.

    While Vinson, who was appointed to the bench by Republican President Ronald Reagan, and a federal judge in Virginia have ruled against the law, judges in several other states have dismissed challenges.

    Vinson is alone in having ruled that the entire Affordable Care Act should be struck down.

    In his ruling on Thursday, Vinson agreed that halting implementation of the law would be "extremely disruptive and cause significant uncertainty."

    He also said the case was expected to reach the U.S. Supreme Court, where either side could prevail and the court "may eventually be split on the issue as well."

    The most important thing, he said, was that it be resolved as quickly as possible.

    "The Act seeks to comprehensively reform and regulate more than one-sixth of the national economy. It does so via several hundred statutory provisions and thousands of regulations that put myriad obligations and responsibilities on individuals, employers, and the states. It has generated considerable uncertainty while the constitutionality of the Act is being litigated in the courts," Vinson said.

    "The sooner this issue is finally decided by the Supreme Court, the better off the entire nation will be."
     
  19. rlm's cents
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    rlm's cents Well-Known Member

    I guess I am missing it, but I see nothing in there that says the law is constitutional nor that in any way undoes any of his previous ruling. Al he has done is give "the administration seven days to ask an appeals court to quickly review his January 31 ruling and said the law could be declared void if it failed to meet the deadline".
     
  20. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Clown Hater

    That is every Obama haters dream, dumb-dumb.

    Let's see if we can predict what will happen.

    Obamacare gets repealed because it is unconstitutional.
    Obama with his superior intelligence institutes a public option for Medicare through an executive order.
    Obama gets tossed out of the white house in the 2012 along with the the democrats in the Senate.
    The republicans take over both the executive branch and the legislative branch and proceed to pass every republican policy unimpeded for at least two years.

    You have been warned.
     

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