Hillary Clinton is Most Admired Woman of 2010

She ran for Senator and won. How is the rabid?

 

I'm going to guess by your overt sarcasm that you can't articulate how Hillary Clinton is "Hitler-esque" and that your belief is more likely just an unsubstantiated Right-wing talking point you heard someplace and that you are just content to parrot it but fully unprepared to explain it when challenged.

My advice is that instead of just parroting Right-wing nonsense, you either learn how make an intelligent argument or simply keep your half-baked ideals to yourself. In a forum like this, you will be challenged by those that do not share your point of view. What many Right-wingers do is simply revert to one or two sentence drive-by sniping when they realize that they can't just saying anything that comes to the tips of their tongues without being challenged.

I welcome other points of view but uttering nonsense like Hitler comparisons is just lazy slow thinking and we are all capable of better discourse. I hope you do stick around and bring your A game to the table in the future.

 

I feel like I'm beating a dead horse. How many times must I answer the question? Oh well... some people just have thick skulls.

 

I hate to be a pain in the ass, but I can assure you that its ''-esque''. Hitler-esque.

 

Sarcasm is a nonanswer, therefore, you haven't answered anything. I do realize that you are incapable of defending your comment but I was hoping that at some point you might realize it too. Mindlessly parroting talking points is no way to go through life.

 

Point taken.

 

Try to goad me if you wish, but I'll not continue repeating myself. I don't like Hillary and see her grab for power as "Hitler-esque". You like Hillary and don't see her grab for power as "Hitler-esque". I guess that's what makes the world go 'round.

 

Maybe you should just stop saying "Hitler-esque" if you can't explain what you mean by it. There's a thought. I've already stated that I'm more or less neutral on Clinton and have never voted for her. It is more likely the case that you don't like her and exaggerate her accomplishments as a "Hitler-esque" grab for power.

If you'll remember, I posted a positive article about her that demonstrated just how many people have admired her and for quite some time. You have done nothing but attack her since. It doesn't seem like I am blinded by my "like" for her nearly as much as you are blinded by your hatred of her. All I and others have asked of you is to explain your comments. I have not heaped any praise on Hillary Clinton but you have equated her with Hitler himself from the very first page. You simply can't recognize your own extreme position. You're just used to hating her and you can't even explain why. That is what comes from being a product of Fox News. Inarticulate rage by any other name. Smooth move Chester.

 

Very well, for your edification I'll repeat what I've already said:

"I question why Hillary wants to bring about the change she speaks of and why she would want to be the harbinger of this change. I think she truly believes her drivel and will not stop at anything to promote it. I have no doubt that she would go to any lengths to achieve power in order to promote her philosophy regardless of the effects it would have on society."

"I believe that Hitler thought he was doing the right thing just as I believe Hillary thinks she's doing the right thing. But is she? I think not."

"I'm saying that she is comparable to Hitler in the way she attempts to gain power. As First Lady she had no real power, but was fairly influential. Even as an unelected person, she attempted to force her version of health care upon the country. She seized more power by moving to New York where she could be easily elected to the U.S. Senate thereby gaining even more power and influence. In that position, she was able to push her agenda even more (immigration reform for illegals, gay marriage, abortion, etc.) She attempted to obtain the most powerful position in the country, the presidency but was thankfully denied that. She's now obtained a very powerful position as Secretary of State and with her track record it scares me. I don't agree with her political agenda nor her seemingly desperate grab for power."

"The only comparison I made was that she and Hitler are power hungry."

"Indeed I've compared Hillary to Hitler. But, you have to ask yourself, HOW I've compared Hillary to Hitler? Did I say that Hillary:

- Is an anti-semite? NO
- Has an army of thugs at her disposal? NO
- Is a mass murderer? NO
- Uses subjugation and fear as weapons? NO
- Is a megalomaniac? NO
- Advocate genocide? NO
- Believes in Aryan superiority? NO
- Is power hungry? YES"

"I think you could classify many politicians as "Hitler-like" in their unbridled quest for power. In my opinion, Hillary is one of them."

"I've stated multiple times that I believe she compares to Hitler in the way she has rabidly sought power."


Now, you must realize that these are my opinions.. much similar to the opinions you form going about your daily life in a delusional liberal haze. But, I still respect your opinion whether they're formed from fact, observations, personal experience, bias, MSNBC dogma or Democratic propaganda.



I believe that Hillary compares to Hitler which is evidenced by her quest for ultimate power in order to promote her twisted ideals. I don't think she believes in traditional free-market capitalism. I believe that she wants to gain power so that she can change America into a landscape that reflects socialism and progressivism. Comments from her such as, "We’re going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good", "(We) ....can't just let business as usual go on, and that means something has to be taken away from some people." and "We have to build a political consensus and that requires people to give up a little bit of their own turf in order to create this common ground." reveal that. Well, I don't want that kind of change and I'd appreciate it if she'd keep her Hitler-esque ambitions to herself.

 

Alright, I guess this will have to suffice for an answer. It's pretty vague and generalized but I am sick and tired of asking for a little deeper connection than just your opinion. By your definition, any political figure is Hitler-esque. It's just that general.

But, as I pointed out before, you complain about Hillary Clinton being anti-capitalistic, a socialist, a liberal, etc., but Hitler was an out-and-out fascist which is a pretty Right leaning philosophy. How can she be both Left and Right at the same time?

 

If I were going to compare Hillary's political ideology to an historical figure's, I would have chosen Chairman Mao. Since I wasn't comparing political ideologies, but was instead comparing their quest for power, I chose Hitler. That's certainly an appropriate comparison.

 

I guess that makes Sarah Palin Hitler-esque too. Although I wouldn't have put it that way, she fits your definition.

 

You have stated she has no Brownshirts, she is not anti semitic, she did not write any books such as Mine Kampf,she has not commited genocide! therfore the only remining similarity is she has been elected to office !! (and so I believe has every other American Politician)

 

I'm starting to think I'm talking to a brick wall. Obviously, you've read very little of what I've said.

 

If Sarah Palin believed in Socialism and Progressivism then wanted to gain power in order to re-shape America into her version of those ideologies, only then would I believe your statement. Palin wants to retain a constitutional form of government, believes in the free market and individualism and wishes to keep our Republic the way it is. Using the analogy of Hitler, what is she wanting to change?

 

So you believe Hitler was a socialist? Progressivism has more than one meaning. How are you using it here? And again, please don't use words you can't explain or articulate. I don't want to go down that road again.

As far as Palin and Hitler goes, Hitler was a populist candidate that rose to power outside of the aristocratic establishment like most populism candidates do. Palin has done exactly the same thing with Tea Party movement. (This is how you draw an analogy between two individuals). Populists tap into those that feel they are disenfranchised by the established political hierarchy. They both use slogans simple enough that even the dumbest voters will relate to on an emotional level. They both appeal to nationalism. They are/were both anti-intellectuals. Here is an excerpt from Mein Kampf. It quite easily could be compared to the current Tea Party movement:

Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler
Volume One - A Reckoning
Chapter VI: War Propaganda

“All propaganda must be popular and its intellectual level must be adjusted to the most limited intelligence among those it is addressed to. Consequently, the greater the mass it is intended to reach, the lower its purely intellectual level will have to be. But if, as in propaganda for sticking out a war, the aim is to influence a whole people, we must avoid excessive intellectual demands on our public, and too much caution cannot be exerted in this direction.
The more modest its intellectual ballast, the more exclusively it takes into consideration the emotions of the masses, the more effective it will be. And this is the best proof of the soundness or unsoundness of a propaganda campaign, and not success in pleasing a few scholars or young aesthetes.
The art of propaganda lies in understanding the emotional ideas of the great masses and finding, through a psychologically correct form, the way to the attention and thence to the heart of the broad masses. The fact that our bright boys do not understand this merely shows how mentally lazy and conceited they are.
Once we understand how necessary it is for propaganda to be adjusted to the broad mass, the following rule results:
It is a mistake to make propaganda many-sided, like scientific instruction, for instance.
The receptivity of the great masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, but their power of forgetting is enormous. In consequence of these facts, all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands what you want him to understand by your slogan. As soon as you sacrifice this slogan and try to be many-sided, the effect will piddle away, for the crowd can neither digest nor retain the material offered. In this way the result is weakened and in the end entirely cancelled out.”

Mein Kampf: War Propaganda

 

Like "HOPE"..... and "CHANGE"? Wait a minute... are you talking about Barack Obama?

You can be the judge whether or not Hitler thought he was a Socialist. I'm not saying he was, but let's listen to him:

Hitler's own words (spoken to Otto Strasser, Berlin, May 21, 1930:

I am a Socialist, and a very different kind of Socialist from your rich friend, Count Reventlow. . . . What you understand by Socialism is nothing more than Marxism.

F.A. Hayek in Road to Serfdom:

The connection between socialism and nationalism in Germany was close from the beginning. It is significant that the most important ancestors of National Socialism—Fichte, Rodbertus, and Lassalle—are at the same time acknowledged fathers of socialism. …. From 1914 onward there arose from the ranks of Marxist socialism one teacher after another who led, not the conservatives and reactionaries, but the hard-working laborer and idealist youth into the National Socialist fold. It was only thereafter that the tide of nationalist socialism attained major importance and rapidly grew into the Hitlerian doctrine.

Hitler quotes from Mein Kampf:

In 1919-20 and also in 1921 I attended some of the bourgeois [capitalist] meetings. Invariably I had the same feeling towards these as towards the compulsory dose of castor oil in my boyhood days. . . . And so it is not surprising that the sane and unspoiled masses shun these ‘bourgeois mass meetings’ as the devil shuns holy water.

"Progressivism" defined (per Wikipedia):

Progressivism is a political attitude favoring or advocating changes or reform through governmental action. Progressivism is often viewed in opposition to conservatory or reactionary ideologies.

Also (per Wikipedia):

Some of the more notable progressive members of Congress have included Ted Kennedy, Russ Feingold, Dennis Kucinich, Barney Frank, Bernie Sanders, Al Franken, John Conyers, John Lewis, Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Paul Wellstone.

Sorry, but I just don't agree with the "progressive" ideology nor, for the most part, any of the Progressives listed. Also, please don't think I'm comparing Palin to Hitler. Palin hasn't demonstrated an unbridled quest for power. She was asked to be the candidate on the Republican ticket (she didn't seek it). Additionally, had she felt the need to wield power, she would have kept the job as governor. She hasn't announced plans to seek the presidency or any other political office. How you could possibly compare Palin to Hitler?

 

You're comparing Hitler to Palin based on their method of power ascension. What's next, are you going to say that Palin has an army of brownshirts and that she's an anti-Semite?

 

I'm not sure that you really understand the factors that brought Hitler to power in the least. Like I said, I wouldn't compare anyone to Hitler but you sort of forced me to turn your own words back on you. If it is just as easy to compare Palin to Hitler as it is to compare Clinton to Hitler, maybe the comparisons are just as silly as all other Hitler comparisons? Ya Think?

Hitler was a lot of things in his early days but nobody doubts that he died a full-fledged Fascist Dictator. If you seriously doubt that fact, you simply don't know than man you are running around comparing people to. Here are some interesting Hitler facts:

Once in power Adolf Hitler turned Germany into a fascist state. Fascist was originally used to describe the government of Benito Mussolini in Italy. Mussolini's fascist one-party state emphasized patriotism, national unity, hatred of communism, admiration of military values and unquestioning obedience. Hitler was deeply influenced by Mussolini's Italy and his Germany shared many of the same characteristics.

The German economic system remained capitalistic but the state played a more prominent role in managing the economy. Industrialists were sometimes told what to produce and what price they should charge for the goods that they made. The government also had the power to order workers to move to where they were required.

By taking these powers Hitler's government was able to control factors such as inflation and unemployment that had caused considerable distress in previous years. As the government generally allowed companies to maintain their profit margins, industrialists tended to accept the loss of some of their freedoms.

Under fascism, most potential sources of opposition were removed. This included political parties and the trade union movement. However, Adolf Hitler never felt strong enough to take complete control of the German Army, and before taking important decisions he always had to take into consideration how the armed forces would react.

By the time Hitler gained power he had ceased to be a practising Christian. He did not have the confidence to abolish Christianity in Germany. In 1934 Hitler signed an agreement with Pope Pius XI in which he promised not to interfere in religion if the Catholic Church agreed not to become involved in politics in Germany.

The individual had no freedom to protest in Hitler's Germany. All political organizations were either banned or under the control of the Nazis. Except for the occasional referendum, all elections, local and national, were abolished.

All information that people in Germany received was selected and organized to support fascist beliefs. As Minister of Propaganda, Joseph Goebbels kept a close check on the information provided by newspapers, magazines, books, radio broadcasts, plays and films.

Adolf Hitler, who had been deeply influenced by his own history teacher, was fully aware that schools posed a potential threat to the dominant fascist ideology. Teachers who were critical of Hitler's Germany were sacked and the rest were sent away to be trained to become good fascists. Members of the Nazi youth organizations such as the Hitler Youth, were also asked to report teachers who questioned fascism.

As a further precaution against young people coming into contact with information and the government disapproved of, textbooks were withdrawn and rewritten by Nazis.

Are you going to tell me Mussolini wasn't a fascist either?

 

Moen, if you think Palin has ascended to power via the Tea Party movement, you're sadly mistaken. What power has she achieved through the Tea Party? Has she become a Senator? How about a Secretary of State? Has she announced a candidacy for the presidency? You may be correct, though when you compare Hitler to Palin in the sense that they were both populists. I'll accept your analogy, but I don't think Palin has an army of brownshirts waiting in the wings...