"Don't Ask, Don't Tell" finally repealed!!!

Thanks it was meant to be humorous with a little bit of sarcasm thrown in. The problem I see is that people like you for instance feel discomfort around gays but the typical reaction is no different than it was to freed slaves, immigrants, women's rights, etc. Restrict the rights of those we feel discomfort over rather than dealing with our own discomfort. Is the gay person’s constant discomfort in a world that marginalizes their lifestyle any less real? My guess is that given the rate of gay teen suicides, it is more so. The only thing that could motivate someone against a reasoned argument such as this is total indifference. And if someone finds themselves at the stage of total indifference, why bother expressing a view when all they really have is an unreasonable hatred and fear. So as the antigay people always say, it comes down to a choice. That’s more than gay people have.

 

They are human beings who had their brains scrambled in the womb. I pity them because all of the joy they are missing but that is their lot. However, that is a great argument that cannot be denied. I just don't want one of those types of people in my foxhole, unless I see great bravery under fire, like shown during the Battle of Thermopylae.

 

You have no idea as to what sort of reaction you are going to get under fire from any one no matter what there orientation is, hell the same could have been said about any soldier before they experienced combat, and I will add this you woudnt give a monkeys fart what the person next to you is if he is helping to keep you alive. Dont ever assume that simply because someone is gay that they are all limp wristed etc

Gay soldier becomes Armed Forces' magazine's first homosexual pin-up | Mail Online

Friends honor gay soldier Maj. Alan Rogers, killed in Iraq, after repeal of 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

How long ago was it that you finaly intergrated Black troops into the mainstream army ?

 

Well, you are honest and civil and even though we have vastly different opinions on the subject, I respect that you didn't lower yourself to some of the childish rehotic that these controversial subjects seem to elicit from members here in prwe. I may not agree with you but at least we both know where each other stands. Maybe we are finally attracting a better group of people here in prwe. LOL!

 

Here's another scenario Moen. You want to go out Friday or Saturday night, hit a bar, club or whatever. You're taking your family. There are two or three to choose from. Maybe a lesbian bar, a gay guy bar, and a standard, non defined bar with a mix of whomever is there. Which one are you going to go to, knowing before you get in there, what the majority of folks preferences are ahead of time? That's mostly what I'm saying. Dude, I respect your opinion and your comments are most always well thought out and non offensive. Plus you generally know what you're talking about and make sense. I don't know what you think about me (though I can imagine), but I express my opinion in the extreme most of the time, because that's the world we live in today. Extreme, reality based tv shows, etc. People don't notice simple opinions because they are too distracted with whatever and only notice extreme views or events. That is the world of stupid we live in today. Anyway, I hope you understand my point of reference a bit. I hear what you're saying on the gay thing, but there is a fine line between what people will accept in the mainstream in the privacy of their own homes or wherever, and what people actually will accept wholeheartedly in their personal lives, and the situations those personal lives extend into.
Gays deserve to live however they choose, do whatever the hell they want, same as me or anybody else. But, I shouldn't have their values/morals/ideals jammed down my throat to the point where it impedes my values/beliefs/standards. I don't want to shower with gay men. Women don't want to shower with men. Same damn thing. Either both points of view are valid and should be accepted or rejected equally. Not into the gay thing, and don't want me or my family to be forced to accept their lifestyles to the point of it being personally invasive to myself or my family. Showering with a gay is personally invasive and I choose not to do so. You want to? Knock yourself out.

 

BTW - DADT isn't repealed. Congress has passed the bill, but the President hasn't yet signed it. And even then the policy remains in place until the Sevice Chiefs (Army C/S, CNO, CMC, etc.) certify the military is ready for repeal. And then there's a 60 day waiting period. THEN, and only then, will the policy be repealed.

Matter of time? Yes. Could someone still get administratively seperated from the military for confessing homosexuality today? Yes again.

So let's get beyond the "it's right - it's wrong" argument and deal with the logistics of implementing the policy.

 

I'd go to the eatery with the best food and the best service regardless of the clientele. And the world we live in is the world we make so taking the extreme viewpoint ends up only becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. My suggestion to you is that if you don't want to shower with a gay man you shouldn't do it. I wouldn't have a problem with it and I'm sure I probably have showered with someone gay at the YMCA at some point but since I am comfortable with my heterosexuality, I don't really have to worry about such nonsense. Try it some time.

 

Why do you feel uncomfortable around gays? Are you homophobic?

 

Why are you so sure any gay guy would ogle you anyway?

 

Like it was stated before; you only group shower in basic. What do you mean by accept? Like watch two guys having sex? Would you watch a man and woman having sex?(In real life not a porno) When you were in the service man, did you ask every guy who went into the head if they were gay? And for a guy who accuses Republicans for being narrow minded you sure have some conservative hang ups.

 

It will be a problem only with guys and girls who have questions about their own sexuality. i mean what kind of argument is, ''I dont want to shower with a gay guy.''? No. that guy rather have a straight naked guy in such close quarters perhaps touchong feet or asses. Yea, thats much less gay.

 

Nope. When I was in, they actually booted somebody out during basic for being gay. They ridiculed him (they being the boot commanders), after he couldn't cut it physically (he was overweight). I can say with certainty that if anybody went against the ridicule, your a** was theirs. Nope, didn't ask any such thing. I didn't need to, and I was too preoccupied with completing basic and getting it the hell over with, and it's beyond basic training. Ever served on a warship? Not exactly pleasingly private in the bathroom or anywhere else for that matter.
I'm guilty on the Republicans stereotypical view though to some degree. I would hate to agree with the right on anything but I can see their point of view on that one, at least in the military. Civilian life is completely different and I disagree with them in that vein. The UCMJ doesn't apply to civilians though. You also agree to be bound by the UCMJ and voluntarily give up your civil rights and replace them with that military code. Lastly, by "accept", I mean to allow a gay guy to shower with you/share your personal space in very close quarters. Not the best way to create a "non disruptive" atmosphere by forcing these conditions upon a heterosexual male on a warship. Trust me on that one.

 

I have as much problem with gays in the military as I have with gays in any other facet of life - NONE! If anyone wants to serve in the military and defend their country, I say "more power to 'em"!

Tomcorona, I'm very surprised at your extremely narrow-minded point of view on this subject. You're starting to sound like a lot of liberals that I know. They talk like they're liberal until it impacts them and then they wind up sounding like Rush Limbaugh.

 

It sounds like you might have done some things in the service that you regret now. Ya know I'd believe your story if it were true. I knew a guy in basic who told a few of us that he had enough. He was going to tell one of the CCs that he was a fag. He went into the office, a few moments later he and a CC came out and the recruit got his stuff and left with the CC. Now the Company Commander didnt yell 'Faggot' or 'Homo' while the guy gathered his stuff. So that part of your story is BS. And we saw two other guys who couldnt handle the training. And all the CCs did was yell words of encouragement at them. After three weeks they were gone. But not because they were homos. Because they were unable to keep trying. And I was on a Destroyer. USS Mahan(DDG42). And the division I slept in had 5 showers, all private. And another head in the other end had two showers with curtains. And let me tell you a destroyer is one small ship. I think you once said you were on a sub. and you know for sure that no homos were in that sub with you? Really? I bet you were on at least one elevator in your life that also had a queer in it with you. Did you get any on you?

 

Never in a sub. Surface sonar ops is what I said. I won't tell you the hull number or specific type of ship. Doesn't really matter anyway. My CC was a Chief and mine was his last company he was training. Destroyer has about 180 enlisted. Small, compared to 3-5k on carriers. If you call a curtain private, and you're cool showering with a gay dude right next to you, separated by a curtain hey, knock your socks off. I ain't. I personally had to escort out the gay I mentioned and I remember quite clearly the circumstances and what was said, but if you say it didn't happen, then I guess it didn't happen. "Homo" was the most polite word that was used by the Chief and they hardly encouraged him to do anything except something similar to, and I am paraphrasing but something like, "Get the F out of my Navy you F'n F". Believe what you want dude.

 

And you let that happen? You let that Chief get away with that? Would you have spoken up if the CC called a black guy nigger and coon and the like? I thought you were a champion of the downtroddened, a defender of the uderprivledged. You are no better than the guys you attack in here.

 

Signed, sealed, and delivered! No matter how much the Right wants to push this country back to the old days, the liberal mindset eventually triumphs. With people, when it comes down to power vs. doing what is the right thing to do, the right thing to do eventually wins. Make no mistake about it, this is a repudiation of the conservative agenda. It’s a good day to be an American. You can’t say that every day in this country without closing your eyes to situations like DADT but you also have to celebrate all that this country has accomplished by not being blind to all the things that are good about this country. Nobody that thinks everything about this country is either all bad or all good knows what they are talking about. Today is a good day!

 

Oh yeah. Seaman recruit challenges a CPO in basic. Get real dude and come down off your fake high horse. You didn't have a "1/5 day" during basic? Every name, game, tactic is used during that time to break you. Anyway, you like showering with gays...I don't. Fantastic.

 

You have begun to sound a lot more Right wing all of the sudden. Has your political schizophrenia been acting up?

 

Sometimes it's easier to demonstrate absurdity by being absurd. Those on the right don't seem to relate to any other form of thought.