Senator Lindsey Graham Wants to Trash the 14th Amendment?

I don't have an issue with someone proposing an amendment or even proposing to repeal an amendment as long as they are honest about what they are doing, heck there's a process in place for doing it- let the people decide, right?
Where I take issue is when one wants to repeal, say the 2nd amendment, but won't admit that's what the goal is. if the libs want to repeal the 2nd amendment why not simply announce the intention, put the process in motion & take it to a vote?

 

Yeah & surprise, surprise, you twisted my words. Hmmmmm??
I never said whether I supported him or not, I simply pointed out that there was a provision in place to allow a change and it would be up to the people if put to a vote, but you knew what I meant didn't you? I respect someone more who comes out & clearly states their intentions rather than someone who would subvert the process. That has to make sense even to you.

When was the last time you can recall a lib (favoring the repeal of the 2nd amendment) actually came out & professed their intention to do? You know many of them do they just don't have the nerve to say it in public (think: Dr moe).

 

WRONG! Curious, do you know how many other nations have a law making all born on their nation's soil citizens of that nation? BTW, I have direct experience with the other side of this since my daughter was born overseas - in a nation where neither she not I could ever become a citizen. As discriminatory as that is, I have never heard a peep from anyone objecting.

 

Changing the Constitution from time to time is probably a good thing since it was written a couple of hundred years ago and couldn't possibly have anticipated the future with respect to our society. Nobody could have done that. The Republicans are desperate for any issue to run on since they have had nothing for almost two years other than let’s go back to the Bush policies. The funny part is that if you talk about amending or changing the Constitution in any other situation, they whine and complain and pretend to be strict constitutionalists. However, when they can get something they want, they are perfectly ready to use the Constitution as toilet paper. A little consistency on their part would lead to a heck of a lot less cries of hypocrisy.

 

Actually, I never read their constitution, but I am pretty sure that they DID. You see their constitution was patterned after ours.

How many rights do I think are OK to give up? NONE. One of those rights was the ability to change the constitution following the correct procedures. Neither the senator not I are proposing short circuiting that procedure. Also, neither of us want to "trash the amendment", merely to change a bit of it.

 

Actually the roots of the US Constitution go back as far as Rome. The Magna Carta predated the US Constitution by centuries.

Magna Carta: Cornerstone of the U.S. Constitution

We will sell to no man, we will not deny or defer to any man either justice or right.

—Magna Carta (1225)

The "Great Charter" drawn up on the field at Runnymede on June 15, 1215 between King John and his feudal barons failed to resolve the crisis that had been brewing in England ever since the death of John's brother King Richard I. Over the long term, however, Magna Carta served to lay the foundation for the evolution of parliamentary government and subsequent declarations of rights in Great Britain and the United States. In attempting to establish checks on the king's powers, this document asserted the right of "due process" of law. By the end of the 13th century, it provided the basis for the idea of a "higher law," one that could not be altered either by executive mandate or legislative acts. This concept, embraced by the leaders of the American Revolution, is embedded in the supremacy clause of the United States Constitution and enforced by the Supreme Court.

 

And the history lesson means that all Romans are American citizens?

 

Nope means that all Americans are Romans LOL Ave Caesar morituri te salutant

 

It just means that our Constitution is hardly an orginal ideal. It is just the latest version. It helps if you know the history of something when speaking about it.

 

It sounds to me as if Lindsey Graham is following the law. At least he has the nerve to come out & proclaim his intentions. When a lib decides they want to abolish the 2nd Amend they typically begin with a statement similar to ".....I'm not saying we should abolish the 2nd Amendment...." when in fact that is exactly what they want, right Dr Moe?

 

I did not realize that our constitution was an ideal anything - let alone an "orginal" one. BTW, what is "orginal" mean?

 

Indeed. What exactly is this "higher law" to which you ascribe loyalty, and which you claim executive mandate or legislative act cannot change? Roosevelt stole the gold of Americans in 1933 by executive mandate, Johnson and Kennedy ordered troops to Vietnam (the Bushes at least had a nominal action of the UN in sending troops to Iraq) by executive mandate and legislative act regularly "adjusts" the Constitution. If we don't like the laws, we change them. Did in 1066. Did in 1225. Did in 1534. Did in 1688. Did in 1776. Did in 1789. Did in 1865-8. Did in 1920. It helps if you know the history of something when speaking about it.

Unless you're declaring loyalty to a DIVINE higher law! In which case, I can only say, "AMEN!"

 

Would that mean that she is a person with out a country? I mean by law she isnt an American. Well at least she isnt entitled to all the benefits afforded a US born or naturalized citizen according to the 14 Admendment. Is she naturalized or is she here illegally?

 

Wow. I havent done that in quite sometime. But its ok if you do it. Just to be clear, it would be ''what DOES orginal mean?''. Ha. And I'm accused of arguing just for the sake of it.

 

I think it should be repealed. Maybe then we can de-citizen all the pains in the ass whining hypocrites. 'Welfare sucks. Social Security sucks but I'm old and still want it. Arizona sucks. They hate Mexicans, except for the ones they like. Obama sucks. He wants to blow up the Librty Bell.'' ''The VA wont pay for my viagra, and I want a bo---, cause I fought for my country.''. Bitch Bitch Bitch. KLJ, Eisenhower sent military advisors and personnel to Vietnam way before Kennedy. Do you think that mightve been the powder flash?

 

You are right it is obvious, but unfortunately it seems that 1. It seems to be politically incorrect to actually try and stop them. 2. Even if we did stop the flow of illegals into the country we need to find a way to stop the financial burden that already exists with 12 million or so people here, most of whom do not contribute to the social services that they are entitled to under the existing laws.
I think that tax paying citizens are really getting fed up and politicians are scrambling to do something...anything to maybe win a small battle in our favor.
something needs to be done. Illegal entry is against the law......Why do so many people choose to ignore this fact. And people come here illegally with the intention to have a child so the American Taxpayers can take care of them...I really don't think this is what our founding fathers had in mind.