This is a voter registration drive. This is about amnesty. This is not about immigration. These people are looked as, "We just gotta get 'em legal so they can vote!" These are undocumented Democrats. It's not about anything to do with them improving their lives, having them get a better life. This is about the creation of a permanent underclass. The Democrats have lost millions of votes since Obama was immaculated. They want to try to get some of those votes back with amnesty. It is tough to get into this country as a skilled, educated immigrant. But as an unskilled, southern hemisphere -- or actually even northern hemisphere -- immigrant, it's simple. You cross the border in a car or van or however you can get here. We're gonna become the lowest-common-denominator country. The lowest-common-denominator country is equal to Democrats in power in perpetuity, and that's what this is.
Thats one of the reasons President Bush wanted the amnesty. Grateful immigrants mean more votes. But why would you assume all immigrants would be democrat?
Not sure about 'all' immigrants but the demographic being most pandered to with the carrot of amnesty trend Democratic about 2.5x more than they do Republican when they are citizens.
Thats probably true. But I dont think it will led us to a country of just one party. Like abortion, immigration is just a political flag to be waved to gather support for ones own purpose.
You need to seal your borders then deal with the illigals allready resident in the country, some as I have said previously you realy should give citizenship to, the others ie wasters/criminal elements etc simply ship them back to were they came from and then only allow immigration on a needs required basis. As for who they would vote for that is simply not a issue after all at least they would be willing to go and vote :-O how many Americans do not actualy use the vote they are entitled to?
De Orc; That sums it up pretty well. We need to get like Australia, they require that before your allowed to immigrate that you explain what your profession is, and how exactly you will contribute to their society. I really would love to see that implemented here in the good ol USA. Steve
I'm not sure thats what America is about. "Give me your tired, your poor and only your professionals and journeymen yearning to be free."? How about those seeking asylum? Or trying to escape some type of genocide? How about we dont have room anymore. The population is out of control now with people coming over and burdening the various social systems with their extended families. As to your Military idea, as a combat veteran of the Lebanon situation as they call it now, "82-83" I wouldnt one of your "learning english as a second language" pals next to me, or my son who just got back from Iraq and is redeploying to the A-Stan soon. Come to NJ, Ca., Az., states where you can see the illegal criminal element up close. Thanks, Steve
Ok they arent my pals. But I was in the military with Puerto Ricans, Philipinos, and a great guy from Brazil and he could barely speak English, but I trusted him more than a few of the white guys I knew. And the Flips and Ricans didnt need permission to stay in America and their English was horrible too. In another post, Arizona Jack talks about an illegal stuck in the middle of leaving or going to jail. And I dont think AJ would rent to a criminal. Ive been to AZ and like NV there is plenty of space. Lots of room for more people who want to live here. My idea is just that; only an idea. But this country did something similar during the Civil War. And we turned out ok after that. And it really dont see the difference between illegal criminals and good ole red white and blue criminals. Illegals are a big problem , yeah. Kicking them out or making them acclumate is the dilemma. And I'm pretty sure they all dont burden the government. Theres alot of white trash out there doing that as well.
I served with and supervised many non-citizen military members over 20 years and I can tell you they are actually head and shoulders above our citizen youths. Harder working and less trouble. These were folks from Mexico, the Philippines, and Puerto Rico...and one Jamaican. Their only real downside was their love of soccer. lol I still keep in touch with a number of them from time to time and all of them I have served with directly became citizens and a few have made the military careers. As far as population... In 1850, there were 23 million people. In 1950, there were 161 million people. Today there are over 320 million. Medium projection for 2050 is around 400 million with the high projection being 500 million. In case anyone doesn't know...there is a population problem in the world. And we are not immune from it. This is not the world of the 1700's, 1800's or even 1900's.
QUOTE=craig a;287191]Ok they arent my pals. But I was in the military with Puerto Ricans, Philipinos, and a great guy from Brazil and he could barely speak English, but I trusted him more than a few of the white guys I knew. And the Flips and Ricans didnt need permission to stay in America and their English was horrible too. In another post, Arizona Jack talks about an illegal stuck in the middle of leaving or going to jail. And I dont think AJ would rent to a criminal. Ive been to AZ and like NV there is plenty of space. Lots of room for more people who want to live here. My idea is just that; only an idea. But this country did something similar during the Civil War. And we turned out ok after that. And it really dont see the difference between illegal criminals and good ole red white and blue criminals. Illegals are a big problem , yeah. Kicking them out or making them acclumate is the dilemma. And I'm pretty sure they all dont burden the government. Theres alot of white trash out there doing that as well.[/QUOTE] craig, Your point is well taken, I too served with men who were from the American territories I guess we could call them, and had nothing but a positive experience. In war I only served with white & black Americans so communication wasnt a problem except for the Lebanese we were training and fighting along side of. And your comment about "white Trash" would cut across all racial make ups Im sure. I see it. I dont have a problem with anyone of any color trying to make a living. Im suggesting we have no more room to burden all the many social systems with additional people, and the thought of illegal aliens criminal or otherwise draining the system makes me cringe. Stugo, I also agree that our present generation of American youth is in the dark when it comes to how to work for a living, I get them in my office from time to time and they expect to start at $70,000.00 a year because they have a bachelor of anything and no experience, and the few we do hire bring along a lot of personal problems that arent relevant to our our corporation. A very entitled group. Im very proud my son doesnt suffer from that mindset. Thanks for sharing guys, I am interested in what you think the answer is to these many questions and problems. Steve
I have no problem with them serving in the forces as such but if the problem is language then I am very sure there are areas that they can serve in that this will not be a problem, they dont have to be front line personel do they? This is also something that I would like to see introduced over here in the UK a total ban on Immigration even from within the EU then a amnesty for those who allraedy live here and work. We do have something in place allready that if they have lived here for 14 years without any problems they can come forwards to apply for citizenship.
De Orc, The UK as well as the rest of the EU has a serious problem with muslim immigrants. The US is begining to realize our own problems with mosques being built and run by clerics that preach hate and destruction on the country that has given them shelter. We cant even get past profiling potential Arab terrorists because of a strange issue called political correctness, afraid of hurting their feelings. All immigration should be under scrutiny as we are at war. Thanks, Steve
See you are a racist, the illegal immigrants have every right, if not more of a right than you, a legal resident and citizen in the USA. They only take the meaningless jobs, whilst unemployment climbs, it means nothing. We need to do what the Mexican President tells us cause lord knows we cannot make decisions ourselves. PLEASE GOV'MENT HELP US!!! /sarcasm
De Orc, No these men could serve in rear areas, but that would cause a real problem with the front line people as to why they were allowed to stay in a protected area while the American foot soldier has to stay on the front line. I think your idea as to immigration is very reasonable. Thats all I have ever suggested was to have some kind of requirements on allowing people to come to your, or our countrys, in the first place, and even more stringent rules for who is allowed to stay. Something, anything, just not an jump the fence border, or easy green cards. I think your thoughts on closing all the borders is great. Sort out who is who, get rid of the criminal element and be done with it. People who demonstrate they were law abiding people would be granted a stay. Thanks, Steve
