1.) I do NOT want our troops hestitating for one second as they fire on islamic jihadists walking around wearing dirty night shirts armed with, for instance, AK-47's. Asking permission to return fire is insane. I believe you even think this "rule of engagement" is crazy. You punch first...you do not wait to be punched before takiing the fight to these islamic animals. 2.) Offering Geneva conventions and/or constitutinal rights to jihadists that do not fight for a country nor a soverign nation is insane. We are not fighting against a country as we did against Germany and Japan back in WWII, we are fighting against an idealogy. Islam is clear on the subject as to why these people are fighting and killing infidels: "Convert to Islam, or submit to Islam (pay taxes or ransom), or fight". The koran is clear on this mandate, the actions of this religion are clear on this madness, and 1,300 plus years all point that Islam is at war with all those that don't buy into this 5 times per day head banging madness. 3.) When those from Germany and Japan committed war crimes against humanity, they were held accountable. They paid for their actions. The big differance is that the people of Germany/Japan eveutually laid down their arms and policed their own and the fighting stopped. With Islam being a religion versus a central government, the muslim population is not willing to police their own and denounce all of the hate and fuel found in the koran and history of this religion. Do you see the world wide muslim population becoming enraged for acts like 9/11 or in your country 7/7?? Hell no! But draw an editorial cartoon about their prophet and all hell breaks lose. Actions speak louder than any lip service...and the actions of islamic madness since its inception to present day speak VOLUMES of who and why we must fight these bas-tards.
Those damn animals. If it weren't for the animals. Animals are just animals. Blast them there animals Jethro! Somebody call a veteranarian..and get me one of my shotguns. All this talk about shootin' animals is gettin' me rite excited!
What are you talking about? 2.) Offering Geneva conventions and/or constitutinal rights Were have I said they should be offerd either??? also who is offering them constitutional rights?? They have no rights under the Geneva Conventtion I believe I allready stated that. I have said they are common criminals and therfore should be dealt with in a court of Law What part of that dont you understand?? Now were have I said that they should not be allowed to return fire or to engage people carrying arms??? Exactly how many Japanese were convicted of War Crimes??? What about shooting a Terrorist in a suit?? or is it just someone in a nightshirt you object to?? Now I asked you do you want our troops to behave in the same manner as German forces did in occupied terrotories during WWII and you have still not answerd the question. You have admited to wanting our troops to carry out torture which goes against International law, you are fine with them beating up prisoners in the custody of the armed forces and LYING to superior officers, You appear to want to abrogate Millitery Law and order I did not notice you saying anything much about the war in Afghanistan when the stupidity in Iraq was going on Why is that Midas!! Yet it was from Afghanistan and NOT Iraq that the attacks against the USA were launched was it not?? I failed to see your support for President Obama when he stated quite catagoricly that the enemy of America was based in Afghanistan and should be hunted down why was that Midas?? I have yet to see one word congratulating your President on incresing troop numbers to Afghanistan were these jihadists are based, Why is that Midas?? You spout a lot of hot air but seem unwilling to support any effort by your goverment to defeat these Terrorists, WHY IS THAT MIDAS????
Don't worry...Obama & Eric Holder will make sure they get acquitted of the charges (or at least get a lenient sentence).
Most Japanese were not tried as war criminals as it was deemed politicaly incorect to do so, including there Empror the supream leader. President Obama raised the need to put Afghanistan 1st long before he ever became President and was ridiculed for doing so. As someone who has served and been in positions to be attacked by Terrorists I know I woudnt condone Torture Midas and I can just imagine your reaction if we had waterboarded Irishmen and women to gain information!! The outcry from the US of A was bad enough when we used white noise and sleep deprivation against them. You have admited to wanting our troops to carry out torture which goes against International law, you are fine with them beating up prisoners in the custody of the armed forces and LYING to superior officers, You appear to want to abrogate Millitery Law and order THIS IS NOT A ANSWER MIDAS Again...if your son or daughter were in harm's way and you had a muslim jihadist in custody that knew of his/her whereabouts, I have no problem with water boarding to ascertain vital information. Again you refuse to answer a simple question by trying to change the emphasis, do you want our troops to act in the same way as Nazi soldiers did in occupied countries during WWII and for them to ignore orders from superiors and ignore International laws?? A Simple YES or NO will do
You wrote: "Most Japanese were not tried as war criminals as it was deemed politicaly incorect to do so, including there Empror the supream leader". Politically incorrect at the time? Are you kidding me?? Do you really think our soldiers who fought the Japanese even KNEW what "politically correct or incorrect" was...or the term was ever used?? Most Japanese solders believed it was total dishonor to themselves and their entire familiy heritage to surrender, so most committed hara-kiri which is their is ritual suicide to save face or honor...you know...grab a sword and impale it into your stomach which is one way to kill yourself if you have a sword on hand Now...the American public largely ignored the war crimes trials in Tokyo and throughout Asia in 1946-1948. Unlike the charismatic Nazi leadership, who were infamous throughout Europe (like Goering), the Japanese leadership was not well known. That was due in part because did not want to criminalize Emperor Hirohito. Remember...after the 2nd dropping of the A-Bomb, we agreed to accept the total unconditional surrender of Japan ONLY if they could keep their Emperor in place for the Japs viewed him as a God. Truman agreed but knew...if the Allied public saw him as a criminal, they would demand his removal, which would have prolonged the war and probably required a full mainland invasion of Japan costing allies well over a million casualties. Hirohito's role in the conflict is not clear. He is generally seen as ineffectual, although I will admit, there was some evidence offered in the 1990's that showed he was an active participant in the war planning. However, to maintain order in Japan, the Emperor was not indicted and the Allies agreed to let him be to end World War II. Now...the Japanese put on trial in 1947 and 1948 were the first of 20,000 civilian and military former leaders who had either killed prisoners or had participated in the vague crime of instigating the war. While many would endure prison sentences of varying lengths, around 900 or so were executed in trials around Asia. Some of the famous names executed included Hideki Tojo, General Masaharu Homma, Tomoyuki Yamashiitaa, and five others who were blamed for atrocities during the war to name a few. You wrote: "President Obama raised the need to put Afghanistan 1st long before he ever became President and was ridiculed for doing so." I ridiculed him for his INACTION. He made Afghanistan priority during his campaign and what happens? Over 3 months ago, 40,000 additional troops were requested by the ground generals to take the fight against muslim jihadists so what does he do? Nothing! He thinks about it for over 3 months and then has the nerve to tell muslim jihadists when he is going to pull these very troops from the theatre of operation. He's an Idiot!! You wrote: "As someone who has served and been in positions to be attacked by Terrorists I know I woudnt condone Torture Midas and I can just imagine your reaction if we had waterboarded Irishmen and women to gain information!! The outcry from the US of A was bad enough when we used white noise and sleep deprivation against them." First..thank you for your service. Second, it is none of the United State's business how your country ascertained information that saved the innocent. Again, if a terrorist knew of information that would save your own son/daughter from harm's way, I firmly believe think you wouldn't think that listening to Brittney Spear's soundtracks or water boarding is "tortue". You would do what HAD to be done in order to save your son/daugher from harm's way. I make no apologies...I WOULD have done it myself!! What do you want to do with these muslim jihadists? Have tea with them and "talkl"?? You wrote: "You have admited to wanting our troops to carry out torture which goes against International law, you are fine with them beating up prisoners in the custody of the armed forces and LYING to superior officers, You appear to want to abrogate Millitery Law and order." Again...it depends what you consider tortue. Water boarding is a far cry from say, any of the Far-East's technigques. Ask a Vietnam Vet what they went through in the "Hanoi Hilton" compared to how prisioners are treated today. Again...if your son/daughter were being held captive by muslim jihadists who probably are going to behead them (as per the koran), what would you do? Answer me that? Be honest with yourself!! As for our soldiers that slap around a jihadists and lie to their C.O. about it, I would let the military handle it...NOT make it a public forum. You wrote: "THIS IS NOT A ANSWER MIDAS" Ah excuse me...yes it is. Every case is differant and you want to make it universal for all. Every battle is differant and yes, every prisoner needs to be handled differantly...especially if the jihadist has info that can save infidel lives! I stand by my answer: Again...if your son or daughter were in harm's way and you had a muslim jihadist in custody that knew of his/her whereabouts, I have no problem with water boarding to ascertain vital information. You wrote: Again you refuse to answer a simple question by trying to change the emphasis, do you want our troops to act in the same way as Nazi soldiers did in occupied countries during WWII and for them to ignore orders from superiors and ignore International laws?? Ahhhhh...the old, "Do you beat your wife?" question. First of all...you have to be specific in "act the same way" because for you to compare how our troops are performing in these muslim hell holes to the Nazis of World War II doesn't warrant an answer to your ridiculous question. First of all...our troops (thank God they are fighting these muslim jihadists THERE instead of waiting for them to hit us HERE) are a far cry from Nazis. Your question to compare what we are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan does not warrant an answer to your stupid question comparing Nazis to today's Allied forces.
Waterboarding? Punching a terror target? I have no concern for the temporary discomfort of these animals. These are the same people who are beheading their captives & dragging their bodies through the street so I really don't think we have to worry about our actions causing them to become more brutal. What about how we are "perceived" around the world? Screw it! Supposedly, we were hated when Bush was Pres but we were safe (I felt safe). B.O. was supposed to restore some sense of love for the US but what has happened? The bad guys are emboldened and wrecking havoc again. The only thing these animals understand is fear & violence...that is the only thing that will keep them in check. Most want to die anyway so you just have to hope you can scare a few of them away from taking part. Before the jokers start in, I'm not talking about all Muslims, just the terrorist or suspected terrorist (the stakes are too high to be wrong).
So you are ok with US soldiers disobaying orders and lying to there superiors?? Thats what those seals are charged with Midas, why did they not have the courage of there convictions and admit it when asked by there superiors? why did they request court martials instead of taking company punishment. The Armed forces have rules and regulations for a reason Midas and you cant pick and choose which to obay and which not to, with one exception if the order is illigal ie you can refuse to gun down civilians. Regardless of what a enemy does to you Midas you have to maintain standards or you become as bad as them, do you advocate the wanton killing of civilians just because they do so? Would you condone US soldiers behading civilians workers because the other side does it? And yes I thing I should have said Politicaly Exspedient regarding the persuit of war crimes against the Japs rather than political corect. These are people who it is estimated murderd over 30 million people!! forced prostitution, Allied prisoners of war had a death rate of some 30% compared to 4% in German hands (Not Russians/or slavs) Some commited acts of Canabalism against allied POW's check out the Australian War Crimes Section of the Tokyo tribunal! the Allied powers indicted 25 individuals as Class-A war criminals after the war yes thats right Midas 25 Six defendants were sentenced to death by hanging for war crimes, crimes against humanity and crimes against peace (Class A, Class B and Class C): General Kenji Doihara, Chief of the intelligence service in Manchukuo, later Air Force commander Baron Kōki Hirota, foreign minister General Seishirō Itagaki, war minister General Heitarō Kimura, commander, Burma Expeditionary Force General Akira Muto, commander, Philippines Expeditionary Force General Hideki Tōjō, commander, Kwantung Army (later prime minister) One defendant was sentenced to death by hanging for war crimes and crimes against humanity (Class B and Class C): General Iwane Matsui, commander, Shanghai Expeditionary Force and Central China Area Army Shiro Ishii was given immunity in exchange for data gathered from his experiments on live prisoners
When George Tenet was asked, "How do you win a politically correct war?", He answered honestly..."You don't". Go ahead and have tea and cookies with these muslim animals...I prefer not. As for the SEALS...let the military deal with that. The fact that some muslim jihadist got punched in the gut is no way near how muslims treat infidels: Bottom line...you are NOT going to get too many infidels losing sleep of muslim jihadists who get slapped around or even punched in the gut by our Navy SEALS. Compared to how "true" muslims treat us infidels, we treat our muslim jihadists prisoners like royalty.
A little detour, but back to the topic... Here's a "true" muslim serving as a Major in the U.S. Army with "Soldier for Allah" on his business cards and we are too politically correct to call this guy out?? What else do you need??
And again you side step the question THEY LIED TO THERE SUPERIORS AND DISOBAYED ORDERS NOW ARE YOU OK WITH THAT ! This has nothing to do with what the other side does Midas it is how we react to orders within the service, can you not understand that without Discipline the armed forces are worthless?? are you honestly that dense? If standing orders require a Soldier to behave in a certain manner then that is how they should behave. If a soldier decides one rule dont count then why not another then another, or I dont like that officer so lets frag him, now you ask Vietnam vets about the last one Midas and what happens when a squad/company/platoon starts to loose it. To David I never mentioned that it would make them react in a more brutal manner now did I, I asked if you wanted our soldiers to behave in the same manner as Nazi soldiers did during WWII. you talk about waterboarding as though it is some sort of game! you talk about soldiers disobaying regulations as though that is ok Heck they only slaped him!! Try doing a stint in the armed forces you can not opperate without Discipline it realy is that simple
(Sigh) As stated above back in post #150: "As for our soldiers that slap around a jihadists and lie to their C.O. about it, I would let the military handle it...NOT make it a public forum". Happy now?
Did you hear about this crap from the muslim terrorist who shot up Ft. Hood? Tuesday, December 22, 2009 (AP) Fort Hood (Islamic) Terrorist Claims His Rights Being Violated Only in the PC world of the United States would this even be an issue. Major Nidal Hasan, the Islamist Terrorist who brutally killed 14 people and wounded another thirty-two, feels his rights are being violated. Hasan who is paralyzed from the waist down as a result of being shot by police trying to prevent any further victims, is whining that the military court are are not allowing him to speak to others in Arabic, only in his native language, English. The lead lawyer for Fort Hood shooting suspect Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan said Monday that he believes the Army is violating Hasan's religious rights because it prohibited him from praying from the Quran in Arabic with a relative. Attorney John P. Galligan said he learned that police guarding Hasan at Brooke Army Medical Center cut short a phone conversation Hasan was having with one of his brothers on Friday because Hasan was not speaking in English. “Police at the hospital refused to let him pray, in Arabic, from the Quran with his brother,” Galligan said. “I think it's illegal and a violation of his religious rights.” Hasan practices Islam, a religion whose followers hold that Jumu'ah (Friday) prayers are one of its most strongly affirmed duties. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * I only have two words for Major Hasan: اللعنة المشددة ...which I am told is the arabic equivalent of Tough Sh*t!!! I wish he would have been taken out and killed...now we have to put up with this B.S.!!!!
Dont get all freaky. The Army is going to let him get away with what he did. He isnt a civilian, so the same rights we enjoy dont apply. His lawyer can moan all he wants. Its nothing.
