I could care less if it is the FBI or a school crossing guard who is ORDERED to offer constitutional rights to these muslim terrorists captured in foreign lands...we are fighting these animals on ALL fronts here and overseas against these muslim jihadists that have no desire to live in a world unless it is dominated by Islam. Granting these muslim animals captured on foreign soils any constitutional rights is insane...but go ahead and defend this madness. I just wonder how you would react if your son or daughter was overseas trying to fight these muslim animals with both hands tied behind their backs!! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Reading Miranda Rights to Terrorists Thursday, June 18, 2009 - By Bridget Miller and Edwin Mora (AP) President Barack Obama (AP) – The Justice Department confirmed last week that FBI agents in Afghanistan are reading Miranda warnings to suspected terrorists captured there, a practice that Republican congressmen this week branded as "crazy" and "stupid." Miranda warnings were mandated by a U.S. Supreme Court decision that said domestic law enforcement agencies must inform criminal suspects arrested in the United States of their rights under the 5th Amendment. "You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law," says the typical Miranda warning. "You have the right to an attorney present during questioning. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you. Do you understand these rights?" The Obama administration's decision to make this statement to terror suspects captured on the battlefield in a foreign country has sparked outrage among several Republicans in Congress who spoke with a number of news services. It also contradicts what President Barack Obama said in March, when he indicated that Miranda rights did not apply to terror suspects captured overseas. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I guess we shouldn't be surprised. What do you expect from a former muslim appeaser who now (choke, choke) is commander and chief of our armed forces??
More sources for appeasing apologists of muslim terrorists: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - U.S. Lawmaker Says Obama Administration Ordered FBI to Read Rights to Detainees (AP) June 11, 2009 The move is reportedly creating chaos in the field among the CIA, FBI and military personnel, according to Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich. A senior Republican on the House Intelligence Committee is accusing the Obama administration of quietly ordering the FBI to start reading Miranda rights to suspected terrorists at U.S. military detention facilities in Afghanistan. The move is reportedly creating chaos in the field among the CIA, FBI and military personnel, according to Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich. The soldiers, especially, he says, are frustrated that giving high value detainees Miranda rights -- the right to remain silent, the right to an attorney -- is impeding their ability to pursue intelligence on the battlefield, according to a story first reported by the Weekly Standard. "What I found was lots of confusion and very frustrated people on the front lines who are trying to, well, make Afghanistan successful for the United States and its allies," said Rogers, who serves on the House Intelligence Committee. Rogers, a former FBI special agent who served in the U.S. Army, just returned from Afghanistan and a visit to Bagram Air Base, where he said the rights are being read. "I witnessed it myself, talked to the people on the ground," he said. "What you have is two very separate missions colliding in the field in a combat zone. Again, anytime that you offer confusion in that environment that's already chaotic and confusing enough, you jeopardize a soldier's life." U.S. commanders told news agencies soldiers are not reading Miranda rights to detainees, but those commanders could not speak to whether the FBI was doing so. The practice has not been instituted at detention facilities in Iraq or at Guantanamo Bay, according to U.S. senior military officials. Asked if the Obama administration had ordered that Miranda rights be read to certain detainees, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said, "I have no reason to disbelieve a member of Congress. But I don't know any of the circumstances that are involved around it." But Gibbs acknowledged that it wouldn't be a surprise to find out that it was happening. Justice Department spokesman Dean Boyd denied there has been a policy change covering detainees. "There has been no policy change nor blanket instruction for FBI agents to Mirandize detainees overseas," he said in a statement, adding, "While there have been specific cases in which FBI agents have Mirandized suspects overseas, at both Bagram and in other situations, in order to preserve the quality of evidence obtained, there has been no overall policy change with respect to detainees." Some senators wonder what would have happened if Khaled Sheikh Mohammad, a self-confessed architect of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, had been read his Miranda rights. "I'd be very concerned if we're sending FBI agents over to Bagram Air Base in the middle of a military operation to start reading Miranda rights to detainees caught on the battlefield," Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said. - - - - - - - - - - Please...go ahead and defend this madness. Now...whose your Daddy little man??
The problem here Midas is not if the action of reading them there rights is a good one or a bad one but that you dillibratly miss represented what had occured. You said Troops had been orderd to do this when in fact it was FBI officers out of the Combat zone! Now that is a big difference to how you portraid it and you refuse to admit you twisted the truth. Also I dont believe that reading them there rights as captured individuals has anything to do with your constitution! Again you are dramatizing something for no reason. If you had asked do we agree with giving these terrorists any rights I for one would have said no more than you give to any common murderer. Why you have to try dramatising everything and blaming all the ills of the world on your President is beyond me.
Look..it is the B.O. administration that put this "madness" into action. If the FBI (or anybody else for that matter) has to now offer Miranda rights to these jihadists, even though they are looking for and fighting these muslim animals in muslim hell holes outside of the United States...I think that is crazy. Years ago even before B.O. took office, former head of the CIA George Tenet was asked, "How do you win a politically correct war?" and he responded... "You don't." You cannot fight these muslim animals that relish DEATH over life by granting them ANY rights at all...muslim jihadists do not understand freedom, liberty and civiil rights since their religion is everything opposite of our values.
Again Midas I am not disagreeing with that I am Disagreeing with you twisting actual truth to try and dramatize things. These people are Common criminals and as such should be treated in the same way. If you are advocating torture and killing them out of hand then just say so at least that would be honest. The war in Afghanistan has been mismanaged since day one and that responsibility rests mainly with the previouse administration and also to a lesser degree with my own Ex Prime minister Tony Blair.
Defeatists always use hyperbole and lies to justify thier own hopelessness. Or maybe they just like making stuff up.
I just can't imagine that if we fought World War II under the same "hand cuffs" that are currently placed on our fighting men and woman...I wonder if we would have won? Asking C.O.'s permission to return fire to a mosque which fires upon our soldiers, Miranda rights to islamic terrorists in foreign lands (no matter who offers or suggests these civil rights), surgical after surgical attacks on the bad guys who shield themselves behind woman and children. You CANNOT fight and WIN a politically correct war! Matter of fact, that is how you LOSE. Vietnam was a perfect example how NOT to fight a war! And we are going down that path again. Yes, I do advocate killing the bad guys. If that was my son or daughter fighting in the theatre of war, all things being equal, I would suggest that they shoot first and then have allah sort it out. Fighting the PC way only gets more our troops killed. Do you really think these jihadists are going to hate us less if we ask them to tea first before we shoot??? As for torture like water boarding or listening to Brittney Spears for 24 hours straight...TOUGH! If we are to ascertain any information that will save ONE infidel (that's us BTW), so be it. If your son/daughter were being held by these animals (yes...jihadists and animals go very well together), ask yourself...would YOU want to know where they are and do everything possible to find out their whereabouts in the shortest time possible??? Be honest with yourself...
You realy are incabable of reading arnt you Midas, again I never mentioned that we should wait for permision to shoot and by the way WWII was fought mainly by the Geneva Convention by our side and we won. Oh I forgot you prefer to twist what people actualy say dont you.
Apart from "waiting for permission to return fire"...which is the only item you agreed with me on, I want our troops killing as many of the bad guys (islamic radicals) as possible. With that, I want our troops to destroy these animal's ability to wage war now and in the future. BTW...that is how you win wars...you kill the bad guys and destroy their assets. Where we differ is that I don't want any miranda rights issued by the FBI, soldiers in the field, school crossing guards, NOBODY for these islamic animals as we fight them and I could care less how we obtain information that can save some mother's son or daughter's life. The rules of Geneva DO NOT APPLY as these muslim animals are NOT fighting for a given country or wear a particular uniform (unless extra long white or blackt-shirts are now a uniform). These jihadists are fighting for their cult religion first and foremost...not a country and surely not for freedom. Again, the rules of the Geneva convention do not apply, nor should ever apply when fighting against islamic jihadists. You make think that by "reaching out and holding hands" that these muslim animals will hate us less...but you forgot one thing...the koran and the laws of islam TRUMP everything that you and I would deem civlized. It IS what it IS and you cannot fight these muslim radicals with Geneva rules. They have NEVER honored those rules and they will NEVER honor nor respect them!
So the Geneva Convention dont apply to them HURRAH YOU FINALY FIGURED IT OUT THEY ARE COMMON CRIMINALS AND SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH
Actually...if you are not wearing a uniform and such, they should be shot. Those that place islam over the laws of the land or country should NOT be given constituitonal rights...tough cookies...it is the animals and jihadists that we must fight and more importantly...DEFEAT.
So what you want is for our troops to opperate in Afghanistan and other areas in the same manner that Nazi troops did in occupied areas during WWII, you realy have no problem with that? Perhaps we should instigate reprisal mass killings of the civilian population for any of our guy's killed You want to abrogate the rule of law for any soldier, yet I do believe that you would be one of the 1st to start ranting if and when one of those soldiers who you wish to dehumanise comes home and believes it is still ok to kill someone who happens to disagree with him and believe me it would happen.
Only a jihadist appeaser like yourself would have a problem killing off this cancer. Look...it is a "WIN-WIN-WIN" for many parties: These islamic jihadists get to go to their paradise so they can rape and have sex with 72 virgins, the world rids a piece (though small) of this islamic cancer, and living "true" muslims can celebrate their death (as they value death over life) because they took the fight to us infidels. In many cases, jihadist families are PAID for their sons and daughters to blow themselves up. Yes...we should shoot to kill these islamic animals. If my son or daughter were in the theatre of battle, I would suggest they shoot first and then let allah sort it out. Bottom line is that our troops need to arrange the meeting with their allah. It will be a WIN-WIN-WIN on all accounts. Why sugar-coat this...fundamental Islam IS what it IS and it MUST be dealt with in terms that will make all parties happy. A WIN-WIN-WIN
