Alcohol Problem

No religion and lotsa dollars.....what's the third?? I know it can't be unpaid sex.

 

You know, it's kinda funny. In one thread you are are going overboard to encourage free thinking yet in this thread you seem to champion the government's control over our alcohol consumption. Which is it?

 

What are you talking about? When did I ever say that I didn't want to reduce alcohol consumption by the general public? All I said was that I don't think banning advertising will have a significant impact on the problem. I have no hidden agenda Tom, it was just an opinion.

 

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sure you can...one joint wont hurt you or anyone else. Its probably far less harmful for you than booze. you can smoke pot all day and never kill yourself...How many cases of overdose have you found pertaining to the consumption of marijuana? How about you do a quick search to find cases of people killing themselves from consuming marijuana and then do a search for people who have drunk themselves to death. I can guarantee you will find 0 deaths from marijuana each year and you will find roughly 90,000 deaths from the use of alcohol and 450,000 deaths from the use of tobacco. About 20,000 people die of all other illegal drugs combined.

Now Marijuana is a pretty common drug, even though it is illegal, more people use it than any other illegal drug combined as it is rather easy to find. In the history of its use...a grand total of 0 people have died from it.

Also, If one could trust people to just drink one glass, that would be utopia...but the facts of the matter there are many many people who simply don't stop at one...or even two or three...then they cause all kinds of havoc.

I think you might be right Stu....about the big money aspect of booze dealers who keep this dangerous drug legal...possibly combined with the ignorance (whether willful or not) of the general populace as to its dangers. Look at our friend David here...he seems to think a drug that has 0 deaths annually is somehow more harmful than a drug that kills almost 100,000 people!! This is the logic of our drug laws.

Booze is a dangerous drug that kills many many people every year and yet it remains legal and for sale all over the nation. Frightening how we have allowed this to happen.

 

David,

He is being sarcastic and insinuating that I have some ulterior motive to keep the general public from thinking. The only uterior motive I could possibly have is that banning alcohol would have a detrimental effect on the gaming industry which would personally affect me.

 

So in a way you ARE trying to keep them from thinking because if they thought about all that money they are losing then they might think differently about it. I assume thats why they feed gamblers booze, to keep them from thinking straight (what better substance to use to keep peoples inhibitions down). The only time I have ever been to a casino I dumped a lot of money on the BJ tables and they kept feeding me booze.

 

It is certainly a morally questionable practice but one that I don't think will be changed anytime soon due to the economic impact it would have on the casino and it's employees. However, that is not what TomCorona was talking about. He thinks I have a hidden agenda to perpetuate what he considers the lies of the official 9/11 story. He was trying to make it appear that I opposed solving the alcohol problem in this country because it will keep the general public that drink from thinking. I only stated my opinion that I don't think that banning alcohol advertising would have much of an effect on the problem. Disagreeing with a proposed solution is not equivalent to not wanting to solve the problem.

 

That comment stems from my personal experiences with alcohol and folks who abuse it, but, you're right. The government needn't be in control of it either. Try and apply that wonderful analytical ability to 911.

 

and that was just my opinion..

 

That doesn't even make sense. Ironic from a guy with an alcohol brand in his username.

 

Yeah...irony's funny like that. Ironic that war games went on during 911, causing confusion and "allowing" things to happen because they were not real world scenarios, rather simulations of planes flying into buildings. Ironic the folks investigating what happened to the 2 trillion dollars, were killed by the pentagon scam, while the brass was safe and sound on the opposite side of the building. Ironic that the many cameras confiscated by the FBI just happened to be in position to film what hit the pentagon. Ironic the FBI says they don't exist. Irony...Bushie making Gov. Whitman proclaim that the air is safe to breath (so they could re-open wall street, so the rape and pilfering could continue). Ironic...to this day...NOONE was held accountable. Ironic...the owner of wtc's collected 10x his investment leasing the towers. I agree..irony is rather strange. 911 was an inside job.

 

This one is to do with Alcohol guy's and NOT 9/11 OK

 

The difference is quite simple:
Folks who sit down & light up a joint or pop a pill or snort something are going for the mind altering affect. It's not really the same when one sits down in the evening to have a beer or has a glass of wine at dinner.

And I'll have to disagree that pot isn't harmful...many studies indicate it's a gateway drug to the harder stuff and many dependence counselors agree.
Plus, isn't it pretty easy to pick out a pothead in a crowd?

 

Talk about tunnel vision. How does a thread about alcohol become a thread about 911. I assume the same way a thread about Percy Julian became a thread about the islamic animals....total obsession regarding a single issue...obsession to the point that it blinds one to all other issues and turns a person into a broken record.

 

I wonder if anyone has ever studied the gateway potential of alcohol. Maybe alcohol is the real gateway drug.

 

Abuse of alcohol could very well be. As with anything, moderation is essential. It's the abuse of alcohol that affects your motor skills, puts others in jeopardy and affects your health. Tobacco and the other drugs that have been mentioned do the same thing with their initial usage.

 

absurd, people who drink aren't doing so for the affect? I completely disagree. In the end, it is alcohol and everyone who drinks it knows it will have a certain affect on them even in smaller amounts and that is what they are drinking it for. Otherwise there is a myriad of other things that do not contain alcohol they could drink. Even a glass of wine or a beer has an affect and that's what they want.

When I get off work I will stop in a corner store to get gas and I will see people buying tall boy beers to drink on their way home. they cant even wait to get home to drink. They put the tall boy in a little brown paper sack...A person goes home and has a beer or two...they are doing so for the affect, a person has a glass or two of wine (with a higher alcohol content)...they are doing so for the affect however mild...That warm fuzzy feeling, takes the edge off. Most people do not even see a problem with a person drinking to get a bit of a buzz anyway...there is little stigma in our society attached to occasional recreational drinking. To say people do not drink a glass of wine or beer for the affect it has on them is foolish. I believe that affect is the #1 reason they drink booze of any kind. Then you have things like vodka, rum, and other harder alcohol...there is no doubt why people drink these.

This does not negate the fact that many thousand DON'T stop at one beer or one glass of wine, they drink multiple beers and glasses and they become addicted and then they cause all kinds of problems in this society. The fact that some can do it responsibly does not negate the many many thousands if not millions who do not. the vary nature of drinking booze lowers inhibitions and causes the user to exercise bad judgment. Its a dangerous drug.

The gateway myth? A recent poll conducted asked people what was the first intoxicant they took...more than 90 percent of the respondents said the first time they got a buzz from any substance was alcohol...those who said they have smoked pot or took other drugs said they did so later on...but the first time they got high was off booze, often from their own parents stash. The vast majority of peoples first intoxication comes from booze while they are underage.

The myth of pot being a gateway drug is just that. If it IS a gateway drug, it is so because of the simple fact that it is illegal and those who want to use it must go to a dealer and not the store to buy it. That dealer might have other drugs they sell as well and might introduce them to those drugs...if the person were able to simply buy it from a store, then there would be no reason to go to dealers. All they will be introduced to would be the much harder legal drug alcohol which is sold at these stores as well, sugar and caffeine mixtures we call soda that so many are addicted to....and deadly tobacco...

This does not negate the fact that no one has died from ingesting pot while many thousands die from the legal drug alcohol, this does not include car accidents and violence that always go hand and hand with boozers...this is just people who die of alcohol poisoning from simply ingesting more of the substance than they should (probably because that substance robbed them of the common sense). This very fact alone shows you which drug is more dangerous...FAR more dangerous.

Certainly I cannot tell the people who swill booze ...I live in Texas, the state of the extended beer gut...people shove so much beer down their gullets their bellies grow big to make room for it all....but this is just a stereotype SOME drinkers fit...that and that bum on the side of the road begging for money to buy more booze (I have never met a bum looking to get money to buy pot). I assume you think all people who use marijuana also fit a stereotype like this, they are all people like Spicoli from fast times at Ridgemont High. Because of this you would probably be quite shocked at who you might come across in your daily life who enjoy a couple hits of fine quality marijuana when they get off from a hard days work. I have had bosses making 6 figure salaries who do it (and other things), highly educate men and women, professionals in all walks of life do it, people you never would expect who know they cant let on they do it as they will be vilified. Suits, ties, well groomed....you literally get all types. Certainly like anything you get those people who fit the stereotypes...then you just get the everyday Joe who simply prefer the less powerful high from marijuana than the much stronger drug alcohol.

Alcohol is a strong drug, there are millions of addicts in this country alone and many thousands of deaths from it, it ruins peoples lives, its a health hazard. If one were to schedule it, it would warrant being scheduled with the most dangerous drugs...because that's what it is, a dangerous drug. Just because some can do it responsibly does not negate the fact that huge numbers of people DONT and then go out and beat their wives, kill us on the highways, and simply do foolish stupid things.

 

I can't speak for anyone other than myself but I limit it to 2 beers at a time because anymore than that and I would feel it...and I don't want to feel it. The reason I'll drink a beer or glass of wine? I like the taste- same reason that I'll choose a soft drink or glass of tea at different times. So to paint everyone with your broad brush is a bit absurd.

 

Some breaking news that is relevent, specialy the bit about the poll on Canabis. Must try and find it to see what questions they asked

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...3084.html?wpisrc=newsletter&wpisrc=newsletter