Do you believe in the moon landing?

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/Apollo1.html

This is a pretty good case that it was a hoax.

 

Anyone who has half a brain knows it was a hoax. If they had fired descent or ascent rockets when landing or taking off from the moon, they would have melted the cheese and drowned like a nacho chip without the jalapenos.

 

Ok you asked for it:


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As it turns out, however, NASA doesn’t actually have all of that Moonwalking footage anymore. Truth be told, they don’t have any of it. According to the agency, all the tapes were lost back in the late 1970s. All 700 cartons of them. As Reuters reported on August 15, 2006, “The U.S. government has misplaced the original recording of the first moon landing, including astronaut Neil Armstrong’s famous ‘one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind’ … Armstrong’s famous moonwalk, seen by millions of viewers on July 20, 1969, is among transmissions that NASA has failed to turn up in a year of searching, spokesman Grey Hautaluoma said. ‘We haven’t seen them for quite a while. We’ve been looking for over a year, and they haven’t turned up,’ Hautaluoma said … In all, some 700 boxes of transmissions from the Apollo lunar missions are missing.”



Given that these tapes allegedly documented an unprecedented and unduplicated historical event, one that is said to be the greatest technological achievement of the twentieth century, how in the world would it be possible to, uhmm, ‘lose’ 700 cartons of them? Would not an irreplaceable national treasure such as that be very carefully inventoried and locked away in a secure film vault? And would not copies have been made, and would not those copies also be securely tucked away somewhere? Come to think of it, would not multiple copies have been made for study by the scientific and academic communities?



Had NASA claimed that a few tapes, or even a few cartons of tapes, had been misplaced, then maybe we could give them the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps some careless NASA employee, for example, absent-mindedly taped a Super Bowl game over one of them. Or maybe some home porn. But does it really seem at all credible to claim that the entire collection of tapes has gone missing – all 700 cartons of them, the entire film record of the alleged Moon landings? In what alternative reality would that happen ‘accidentally’?



Some of you are probably thinking that everyone has already seen the footage anyway, when it was allegedly broadcast live back in the late 1960s and early 1970s, or on NASA’s website, or on YouTube, or on numerous television documentaries. But you would be mistaken. The truth is that the original footage has never been aired, anytime or anywhere – and now, since the tapes seem to have conveniently gone missing, it quite obviously never will be.



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http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/Apollo1.html

 

I admit I didn't read the link but...You don't have to try and convince me Dan. I won't say I know it was a fake or that I am certain it was a fake but let's just say I have a healthy skepticism. lol

Missing tapes and doctored photographs don't have a lot of effect on me. But, the technological aspect, what we have been able to do since then and what they were able to do back then and such, leaves me wondering. It would take us decades now to get to the moon and technology is so far beyond what they had then that they wouldn't have even imagined it.

I also assume they went into how much stuff they took to the moon in that little landing module? They took a car for craps sakes! lol Have you seen photos of that lander, it isn;t exactly roomy. lol

 

yup, that is all there. And that radiation thing, and the 280 degree temp on the surface of the moon. 280 is pretty hot and -280 at night is pretty cold especially when dealing with 1960's tech.

 

Not anymore. Those were the most compelling arguments I've seen put together. Scary!

I was going to say this was an ignorant conspiracy theory again until I read the whole article (which I doubt anyone here will do). He's convinced me.

To be honest, the fact that all the original tapes have mysteriously disappeared is the least of the hard evidence IMO. I did see that in the news a while back though. Was on yahoo a few weeks ago.

How exactly they brought those huge, steel framed, 10 ft lunar dune buggies there (wheels, antennas and all) including batteries, water, fuel, people, oxygen, testing equipment, video equipment, etc.., all in a 12 ft diameter lander that looks like it's wrapped in Christmas paper with tape, was actually a pretty good question I had never considered before. The whole lunar lander argument got me. Indisputable IMO. Almost pathetic.

He tore the official story to shreds in about 150 different ways! Not what I expected. Probably the best article on the net.

Although, it doesn't help his case that he starts out sounding like a conspiracy crazed person from the get go. He does ask some seriously valid questions.

Unfortunately, I think it will be far too much to ask of people to swallow their American pride and look at facts. They won't do it, I promise you. Too unsettling to consider so they better skip that article and criticize.

I hope that anyone who chooses to comment on this thread actually reads at least the first two or three pages or is a NASA scientist themselves who can explain it all for us or can post an excellent opposing link. This is a lot more complicated than I had ever believed.
Thanks.

 

It is well written enough to keep you going through the whole thing. A little funny really. the only boring part (IMO) is the photography stuff.


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The 2005 report from NASA ends as follows: “But, who knows, perhaps one day astronauts on the Moon … will work safely.” Yes, and while we’re dreaming the impossible dream, let’s add a few more things to our wish list as well, like perhaps one day we’ll be able to listen to music on 8-track tape players, and talk to people on rotary dial telephones, and carry portable transistor radios, and use cameras that shoot pictures on special film that develops right before our eyes. Only time will tell, I suppose.

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Funny. But how is that all those guys kept the secret for so long? I mean did they tell Jim Lovell that he wasnt really going to the moon and they'd all pretend his module was in trouble? And the moon rover wasnt a car. It looked like something a kid could build with parts from his dad's garage. It looks like it could be stowed away well enough. Jeez, they went there more than five times. Did they fake every landing? And why would they? Wouldnt one ''fake'' landing be enough for more funding?

 

Craig,

Take a look at the pic on page 3 or 4 of that article. There's an excellent shot of the moon rover parked next to the lander. I've got to pick one side to argue or the other. Looking at that pic, I cannot in good conscience argue, that several people fit in that lander, along with all their equipment, food, water, oxygen tanks, fuel tanks,a heating system, a cooling system, and that whole 'car'.
To tell you the truth, I wouldn't believe they could fit all the people in there and just the WHEELS off of the car! Not to mention the temp extremes. What kind of special tires were they using that held up under 250 degree heat and then withstood -250 in a few hours? The car looks like it has a cheap, welded, steel tube frame. It doesn't exactly look like it would fold up all that well.

Then I ask myself, where in that thing would the fuel tanks be not only to land it, but to launch back off the bottom stage without blowing up the lower fuel tank and blowing the whole thing to pieces?

Everybody wants to argue and throw it in your face that they went there 6 times. To me, that makes it more unbelievable!

To think we were making routing trips, 234,000 miles out to the moon and back, in the late 60s with nary a problem, every 6 months!! and now we can't even dream of going back ONCE with today's technology?
I agree with the author. As more time passes without us or any other country going there for a visit, the more doubtful people will get that they ever went there in the first place.
I'm guessing most people that were directly involved never knew it was fake either. The whole premise behind it being a hoax would be that since they spent the money on a bunch of supposed high tech junk that never existed, the money instead could be funneled to Vietnam. Each trip made more money for the war effort and diverted the public's attention away from the war. Killed two birds with one stone.
Also a little suspisious that when Vietnam ended, so did the Apollo program and they never felt the need to go back? Isn't that a LITTLE strange to everyone? How many people are intelligent enough to even put two and two together?? How many people have given the case even a passing thought? Hardly anyone. Including me to this point.

I almost could halfway believe that they could make it out there somehow. The return trip in that crude of equipment though? No F'n way. There's no way it could be that easy and routine. I feel like an idiot for ever believing it.

 

You should read that article, it is pretty entertaining and enlightening.

 

I'm pretty sure most american minds werent diverted from the Vietnam War. There seemd to be alot of fuss about it. Nixon had plenty of funds for the war. So then they fooled Lovell too. Really? How did they do that? Or was he in on it? And if only a few knew. Who were they? Did the astronauts have to sign a privacy clause? Did they know it was fake? Seriously. I doubt any of them would be punished for revealing the truth. Dont you? There had to be key insiders, right? Who were they? I had always thought the reason they stopped was because the public lost interest. Like with the shuttle, until one blew up. Then we all awaited another disaster. And another. Hey maybe you guys are onto something. Maybe the government blew up that shuttle in '86 so Reagan could divert that money for his contra scheme. I mean whats a few officers and a school teacher compared to communism? I dont trust the government anyway, so even if it became true that all this countrys greatest triumphs were rigged, I wouldnt be suprised. Ha ha. ''Remember the Maine!''?

 

Sounds like you read a bit of it. There was a bit about some untimely deaths of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_1 of 3 astronauts who may have been talkers. And the guy who died in an "accident" soon after he tried to alert congress of the problems at NASA. Anyway the article overloaded the servers, a lot of people are looking at it.

BTW there were a lot of secret ops in Cambodia that were off the books and needed funding at that time. If I provide you that documentation I suppose that you will fall right in line with the reality that there was no moon landing

 

You may be right. However, the cost to put the sham into motion still had to be high. I mean the only thing faked would be the landing, right? All the guys in NASA were real. The operation was real. The rockets took off right? For secret ''ops'' to continue mustve cost more than what it cost for a stage set and film.

 

That is a good point. The whole thing still would have cost a lot of money to pull off. Even if they didn't go. Maybe it was just an act to trump the Soviets, who were light years ahead of us in the space race at the time. The Soviets did put men into space, but were unable to make one mission to the moon themselves. According to the article, their scientists believed their space craft would need lead shielding several feet thick to block the radiation. Lead and flight don't mix too well. But as he says, the good old U.S. didn't need any of that crap! What radiation!??! lol

I don't think there's anything fishy about the modern day stuff they're doing. The article says the Intl space station is only 200 miles up. He says the farthest people have went out in modern day times is 400 miles at the farthest. Seems to be very doable in this day and age but also the limit now for some reason.

You'd think we could revert back to the 60's technology rather cheaply and go to the moon with some good scientific devices to check for ice. Instead, they shoot a missile into it followed by a satellite and that mission screws up.

Well, we don't really know how it went. The first story was mission failure. Then it was everything went as planned. What have they decided on for an official story now and can anyone prove it one way or the other?

 

One amazing thing about it is that the moon is 234000 miles away and we have trouble going 300 to 400 miles away. We have A LOT of trouble with these low orbit things and they pulled off 234,000 miles away with 1960's tech. You know that 1960's tech was not capable of that.

 

Ok it is back up.

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/Apollo1.html

 

Do you think that Nixon knew it was staged? And did every subsequent President also know or knew? I just dont see how a D.C. secret like this can be kept for so long.

 

If it was for real - and maybe it was - the astronauts had a lot of faith. Honesty, how many people would look at this and say..."Yeah, let me land on the moon in that".

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/369227main_aldrinLM_full.jpg

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/AS11-40-5922HR.jpg

 

I'd say no he didn't. I"d bet very few people knew it was staged.

Another aspect I can't get over, throwing out all other arguments...... Did they ever explain how those high tech space suits and the lander actually worked for them to survive only the temps? And the temp swings?

To me it seems everybody (myself included) has always used their imaginations to rationalize how this all went down. But when you start looking at facts and the official story, lets just say it's not very palatable to a thinking man. It's likely many others don't believe this story either but are afraid to admit it for fear of being ridiculed.
It would damage reputations and make people appear unAmerican so it's best to leave the fairy tale be.
No country has ever went back in 40 years because.....well....they just didn't want to! There's no reason to! Yeah, that's a good enough excuse! (Never mind the continuous exploration with unmanned vehicles and NASA's own scientists still trying to come up with ways for people to survive out there.)

 

How is it the film in the cameras survived prolonged periods of 280 degree heat? It would appear that it all survived with as high quality as modern digital pictures. That was a feat in itself!

If I remember correctly, I had film ruined in the 80s by leaving it in a hot car in the summer. They must have had some high quality stuff back then.