You and Heehigh...or....thousands of professionals, some I have already referenced, or you and him.....hmmmm...I'll have to get back to you.
Thousands od professionals? Professional what? Actors? Singers? Rodeo clowns? You were the one who posted that extensive list of Hollywood-types & called them "experts", right?
Another post with no answers: Incorrect? I never said anything was "pouring out of the side of the buildings", let alone that aluminum burns any color. Just how does anything "burn silvery color"? "I'd put his credentials up against anyone's" - just what are his credential in chemistry? BTW, what happened to the 25 stories versus 15 stories?
So you won't respond because it is a waste of time engaging me. Is that your official story? I am the only person on this forum who has ever given you a real debate on the issue. It seems that you just want to post your lunatic ravings and have everyone read them and immediately agree with your radical conspiracy theory. You own all kinds of videos, documents, expert opinions on the subject yet you refuse to engage the only person willing to debate you! Even if you recognize that you could never change my opinion, an expert such as yourself should jump at the opportunity to prove someone like me wrong for all to witness. But you don't do that! You simply refuse to engage me in debate. The reason is quite plain. You can't answer my questions! You know your truther conspiracy theory is nothing more than a house of cards! In my eyes, your choice is very simple. Stay on the sidelines and stay the clown that you are, or enter the ring and prove me wrong!
I made the offer a long time ago to anyone, and specifically you, to debate, point by point, in some reasonable fashion. I'm quite sure you know that but better to make me look more like your "clown". I think you said something like...YOU refuse. If you can't insult, scatter any points raised with the "shotgun effect" of blasting everywhere and anywhere versus any actual confrontation of any specific points I try to focus on. You don't debate. You take the Sean Hannity approach, effectively talking over anything threatening. You stated a long time ago that you'd do anything (I'm paraphrasing because I don't feel like looking it up...you're hardly worth the effort) to derail or otherwise defeat "truthers". The choice is very simple when it comes to you and your brand of attack. I'll pass.
Oh WTF, you are god damn liar!! You were the one who refused to debate the issue in a reasonable manner. I must have complained 5 times about you posting 8-10 consecutive propaganda style posts without ever giving the other person a reasonable chance to respond to any of your points. Now you have the f'ing balls to accuse me of talking over you. No way that crap is gonna play around here. Trying re-reading this thread form beginning to end and you will realize what a liar you are. Stop being a coward and step up to the plate. I posed a whole bunch of questions for you to answer. Why don't you start slow and answer just one! And if you are too scared to enter the arena with me, at least answer RLM's questions why don't ya!
Tell you what....Tazmanian devil, let me reference a specific point, one at a time....you answer mine honestly, and I'll do the same....no insults...no dodgeball...remember those terms? Let's pretend you actually can debate in a calm and rational manner. I get to go first....that okay with you, or would you rather cuss, rant, rave and badger??
So you need a contract to have a debate on a forum. That is ridiculous! You should be used to my insults by now and you are no saint yourself with your alcoholic cracks. Don't worry about the extracurricular stuff and just answer some of the questions posed already. I am not going to change my posting style just to get you to debate the topic. Talk about dodgeball.
Fine..... How was it possible the Pentagon was hit 1 hour and 20 minutes after the attacks began? Why was there no response from Andrews Air Force Base, just 10 miles away and home to Air National Guard units charged with defending the skies above the nation''s capital? How did Hani Hanjour, a man who failed as a Cessna pilot on his first flight in a Boeing, execute a difficult aerobatic maneuver to strike the Pentagon? Why did the attack strike the just-renovated side, which was largely empty and opposite from the high command?
No response. How predictable. Can't present a reasonable explanation why the most secure airspace in our country, was left completely unprotected, such that a passenger airliner could wander around for 2 hours, effectively doubling back on it's own tracks, for 2 hours??? Did I mention 2 hours??? Maybe Rummy crippled everything by announcing the 2.3 trillion was missing the day before, and never to be mentioned again (except by us truthers). Hey! I know! The wireless phone's battery to the command center went dead after somebody... no....no... some DEMOCRAT, left it off the hook allowing it to recharge! You DID say government is largely incompetent. Maybe you got something there! Then again.....maybe it had to do with those false blips being purposefully but carefully placed on the air traffic controller's consoles, confuse them and provide a scapegoat all in one felt swoop??? Nah.....can't be. A republican was in the White House (alright....a schoolhouse). You'd think ONE fighter could stray into the area over 2 hours though....
Hey Clown, I was busy today, I will get to it. When have I ever not responded to one of your ridiculous posts? I hope you have better material than this.
I would like to start my rebuttal by showing that you have no intention of engaging in an honest debate on this subject. Your very first sentence states that 80 minutes elapsed between the crash into the North Tower of the WTC and the Pentagon. The WTC (NT) was hit at 8:46AM and the Pentagon was hit by flight 77 at 9:37AM. That is 51 minutes, not 80 minutes, and not 2 hours like you claim in your other post. Here is the relevant timeline for the events. 8:46:40: Flight 11 crashes into the north face of the North Tower (1 WTC) of the World Trade Center, between floors 93 and 99. 8:54: Flight 77 deviates from its assigned course, turning south over Ohio. 8:56: The transponder on Flight 77 is turned off and even primary radar contact with the aircraft is lost. During radar blackout Flight 77 turns east, unnoticed by flight controllers. When primary radar information is restored at 9:05, controllers look futilely for Flight 77 west of its previous position.[6] Flight 77 travels undetected for 36 minutes on a course heading due east toward Washington, D.C. 9:24: The FAA notifies NORAD's Northeast Air Defense Sector about the suspected hijacking of Flight 77. The FAA and NORAD establish an open line to discuss Flight 77, and shortly thereafter Flight 93. 9:32: Controllers at the Dulles Terminal Radar Approach Control in Virginia observe "a primary radar target tracking eastbound at a high rate of speed", referring to Flight 77. 9:37:46: Flight 77 crashes into the western side of the Pentagon and starts a violent fire. The section of the Pentagon hit consists mainly of newly renovated, unoccupied offices. All 64 people on board are killed, as are 125 Pentagon personnel. So your question was why was there no response from Andrews Air Force base? In other words, why didn't the Air Force shoot down flight 77 before it hit the Pentagon? If you look at the timeline, the military was not notified until 9:24AM. They did not have radar location of flight 77 until 9:32AM. Even if the fighter jets were scrambled, they would have had only 5 minutes to find and shoot down the plane before it hit the Pentagon. Your second question was how did Hani Hanjour execute a difficult aeorbatc maneuver with his limited flying skills and experience. Again, your propensity to exaggerate is killing your own credibility. Your use the phrase "difficult aerobatic maneuver" is the problem. Aerobatics are manuevers not used in normal flight like rolls, spins, loops etc. and all of them are considered difficult. Making a hard turn in a jumbo jet does not qualify as an aeorbatic maneuver. My answer to your question is I don't know how he did it, I wasn't there. You see an unlikely event and want to immediately jump to the most far fetched conspiracy you can conjure. The first truther theory was that an airplane did not hit the Pentagon, it was a missile. The problem with that theory is that it didn't explain what happened to all the people who died on flight 77. The newest theory is that someone electonically hijacked the controls of flight 77 and flew it via remote control into the Pentagon. Now you want me to believe that the scenario of a remote controlled hijacking is more credible than Hani Hanjour getting lucky. Maybe Hanjour convinced/forced the airline pilot to make the turn claiming they were going to land the plane not crash it. Maybe he just got lucky. Either way, the plane made the turn, crashed into the Pentagon, and killed a whole bunch of Americans. Now that I have debunked your first topic, start answering some of my questions why don't ya!
let me make tom's argument: Right wing, exploiters, conspiracy theory, my experts say otherwise, you're a drinker, employers bend their employees over, I'm a libertarian, I would say more but I'm being watched, Bush's fault, Cheyney's fault ....I'm sure I've left a few out
I have to say I am initially pleased with seemingly appears to be, an actual answer, or so it would appear to be at first glance and also seemingly relatively civil. I'm cautiously optimistic that there is a shred of sincerity in there somewhere. However....please allow me the evening to further analyze and respond to your post. I want to be sure I comb through all your possible pitfalls and further respond accordingly. Just a quick question though. What source specifically are you referencing for your time line there? I'll check for your possible response as I further research and verify what I believe to be correct already. Nice to be civil...I must say..I shall return.
