911 debate

Discussion in 'Chatter' started by tomcorona, Sep 14, 2009.

  1. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther

    Guess who they plan to make the fall guy Tom. Got a mirror?

    ======================

    Can't I just borrow one of yours? You don't really need all those after dark...do you?
     
  2. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther

  3. Midas

    Midas New Member

    That's right...this is the same administration that wants to use the term "Man Made Disasters" in lieu of the word "terrorists" because they don't wish to upset the freakin' muslims around the world. Also, this is the same administration that wants us to believe that if you don't buy into their socialist PC culture, you are now a threat.

    You have to keep a constant lookout for domestic islamic terrorist news in America alone because nobody in the main stream media is willing (or too PC scared) in covering it nationally. Sure, there are local reports, but that’s it.

    When you add what many of these muslim animals are doing RIGHT HERE in these United States together, the picture is not reassuring that muslim immigrants come here with friendly intentions.

    Remember...A 2007 Pew Poll of Muslims residing RIGHT HERE in America showed a jihad-friendly group that is willing to admit its beliefs. The results of muslims living HERE, for example are very disturbing:

    26% of Muslims HERE in the United States believe suicide attacks against non-Muslim civilian targets is acceptable.

    But go ahead and try to tell us that those the don't drink B.O.'s Kool-Aide are more of a threat...now PROVE IT! Where are the indictments? Where are the arrests? Where are the convictions? Where are their ACTIONS like the muslim animals that have no desire to live in freedom and democracy?
     
  4. Midas

    Midas New Member

    Here's a PERRFECT example of what I am talking about where the main stream media confuses the likes our of village idiots:

    The New York Times recently published an article (October 21st, 2009) and DID NOT does not inform the public whether Tareq Mehanna, the 27-year-old Massachusetts pharmacist who was just arrested on federal terrorism charges, is or even might be a Muslim.

    See it for yourself: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/22/us/22terror.html?_r=1

    In New York time report, it appears telling this particular truth is still today among the village idiots of today: politically incorrect, rude, racist, a cheap shot, and some appeaser/apologists call: “islamophobic.”

    Never mind the fact that this "true" muslim might have traveled to Pakistan, Syria, and Yemen (which he did) because, as a relatively young man, he just wanted to sow his wild oats, right? No matter that Mehanna and his “associates,” including one Ahmad Abousamra who subsequently fled to Syria, had traveled together “seeking training from terrorist groups to fight against American soldiers.” No matter that Mehanna had tried to buy a gun from one Daniel Maldonado who is “currently serving a 10-year-prison sentence for training with Al Qaeda in Somalia. “

    Why should the New York Times suggest that Mehanna’s motivation might be related to Islamic jihad?

    Oh...that's right. That hypothesis would tarnish an entire religion, an entire people. It can’t be possibly true—but even if it is true, it’s too troubling and unpleasant a truth. Right? Why connect the dots when you can continue to confuse people like Dan and Craig?

    Well, as the Danish muhammed cartoon controversy has so ably demonstrated, not all religions are equal. If someone flies planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon like they did on 9/11 — you better not blame it on the Saudis or on Islamic jihadists, especially if they are guilty. People who are capable of such acts won’t like such accusations. They might sue you, or kill you, or blow up your kids. You might hurt their feelings.

    Anyway, it’s better not to think this way, better not to descend to the level of people who believe that islamic terrorists have declared war against all non-muslims, (against other "not-enough-muslims" too), especially against those who live in America and Great Britian.
     
  5. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    Here we go again, Midas by the same token then

    74% of Muslims HERE in the United States DO NOT believe suicide attacks against non-Muslim civilian targets is acceptable
     
  6. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther

    An "educated" analysis

    Edward S. Munyak, MS, PE, has over 20 years experience as a Fire Protection Engineer for the U.S. Departments of Energy, Defense, and Veterans Affairs. He is a contributing Subject Matter Expert to the U.S. Department of Energy Fire Protection Engineering Functional Area Qualification Standard for Nuclear Facilities. He serves as a member of the Board of Directors for the Northern California - Nevada Chapter of the Society of Fire Protection Engineers. A Licensed Professional Mechanical Engineer and Fire Protection Engineer in the State of California, Mr. Munyak currently serves as Fire Protection Engineer for the city of San Jose, California, the 10th largest city in the United States.

    In his presentation at the 2007 National Fire Protection Association World Fire Safety Conference, “High Rise Buildings and Large Fires - Structural loads & thermal strain - What can happen” , June 4, 2007, Mr. Munyak wrote, “We will find that the government investigations into building collapse [at the World Trade Center] must consider controlled demolition as far more probable since fire effects collapse could never be duplicated. ... The concentric nearly freefall speed exhibited by each building was identical to most controlled demolitions. The aircraft impact and fire severity effects were magnified in the NIST reports. Collapse of WTC 1, 2 & 7 were not caused by fire effects. ... The official reports and conclusions had many technical distortions and obfuscations of the excellent research input in arriving at a flawed, politically driven conclusion of building performance.”
     
  7. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther

    Former NORAD director says 911 is bunk

    Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company (15 years). Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division (15 years). Private pilot.
    "As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.

    Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

    Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is nearly impossible for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled "terrorists".

    Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a "Conspiracy Theory" does not change the truth.
     
  8. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther

    Not another one..a DD contractor too?

    James D. Smith – Former Able Danger Program Manager for Orion Scientific Systems, a Department of Defense contractor. Previously at Orion, managed and performed criminal intelligence support activities within the Gulf States Initiative (GSI) Program – a joint federal (U.S. Army and National Guard) and multi-state project (Alabama, Louisiana, Georgia and Mississippi).

    Testimony before the House Armed Services Committee 2/15/06: Regarding the Able Danger data mining program.

    Mr. SMITH: "I have recollection of a visual chart that identified associations of known terrorist Omar Abdul Rahman, within the New York City geographic area and the name of that particular chart escapes me, but it was -- we called the Brooklyn Cell.

    Mohammed Atta's picture, an association of Rahman, was on the chart. ... Several of these charts addressing multiple topics were retained by me and turned over to Representative Curt Weldon. ... I have direct recollection of the chart because I had a copy up until 2004. ...

    At the time, after 9/11 when the pictures were released in newspapers and I did the compare on the chart, when I saw his picture there, I was extremely elated and, to anyone that would listen to me, I showed them the chart that was in my possession.

    Rep. Curt WELDON: Mr. Smith, one of the [9/11] commissioners stated publicly after the story ran in the New York Times, that you couldn't have had the photograph, because he didn't have a driver's license. Would you comment on where you got the photograph from?

    Mr. SMITH: We were getting the information from Arab sources through Los Angeles. We were able to get a lot of inside Arabic information. ...

    Rep. WELDON: Did anyone from the 9/11 Commission staff ever talk to you, Mr. Smith?

    Mr. SMITH: No, sir. ...

    Rep. WELDON: How sure are you that it was Mohammed Atta's name and picture?

    Mr. SMITH: I'm absolutely certain. I used to look at it every morning.

    Rep. WELDON: You looked at it every morning. So it wasn't a one time deal?

    Mr. SMITH: No, sir.

    Rep. WELDON: And was that the chart you think that was given to me that I gave to the White House?

    Mr. SMITH: Yes, sir. It was."
     
  9. Midas

    Midas New Member

    keep it on topic midas, not going to let you turn this into another rant
     
  10. craig a

    craig a New Member

    Unlike left wing extremists who foul up like 'The gang that couldnt shoot straight'. The clandestine bumblefu@ks.
     
  11. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther

    Yeah the Fox watchers usually have had more practice before they rape and pilfer. Daddy Bush and Mckean practiced small scale via the S & L bailout. Mistakes learned from that and much practice bring us to today.
     
  12. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    Back on topic please Tom
     
  13. Midas

    Midas New Member

    To the whacked out 9/11 conspiracists out there...why don't you address the MOTIVE, MEANS and OPPORTUNITIES of "true" muslims doing what they always have had done for the last 1,400 years!

    MOTIVE: Fact: "True" koran abiding and loving Muslims hate freedom and the fact that we support a democratic Israel. For 1,400 years, they have been supporting jihad against all those not muslim, or "not muslim enough". Look at the events around the world. You can't go a day without "true" muslims carrying out a jihad attack for their allah.

    Another disturbing fact...one in four muslims living here in THIS COUNTRY have no problem with suicide bombings/attacks (source: PEW Research). There are a number of islamic terrorist cells living here and around the world. Shoot...in the past month alone, the Feds were able to stop 5 separate plots HERE in the United States all for the glory of...wait for it...ISLAM!

    9/11/01 is just one day (though huge) in the day and death (since value is placed on death over life) of your muslim jihadist.
     
  14. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther

    When are you going to spread around that non-biased filter you place on me to others?
     
  15. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    I allready do Tom, I have edited you both, and for the 1st time ever Midas. So dont start that I am not even handed. If you behave like children then I will treat you as such.
     
  16. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther

    You are correct of course. I think though that you tend to let some folks slide and are quick to clamp down on others, which means to me,that you're looking harder at certain folks for whatever reason. Just my opinion. Good day.
     
  17. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther

    Just another accidental blunder

    What plausible explanation has been provided for failing to scramble interceptors in a timely fashion from bases within easy range to protect the September 11th targets? Fighters that were dispatched were scrambled from distant bases. Early in the attack, when Flight 11 had turned directly south toward New York City, it was obvious that New York City and the World Trade Center, and Washington D.C. would be likely targets. Yet fighters were not scrambled from the bases near the targets. They were only scrambled from distant bases. Moreover there were no redundant or backup scrambles.
    I guess the fact that there were running simulations of planes hitting buildings had nothing to do with that.
     
  18. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther

    NIST doesn't know Jack



    Can you say... conspiracy?
     
  19. tomcorona

    tomcorona Anti republican truther

    Means, motive, and opportunity

    Means - Dick Cheney and the Secret Service: Dick Cheney was running a completely separate chain of Command & Control via the Secret Service, assuring the paralysis of Air Force response on 9/11. The Secret Service has the technology to see the same radar screens the FAA sees in real time. They also have the legal authority and technological capability to take supreme command in cases of national emergency. Dick Cheney was the acting Commander in Chief on 9/11.


    Motive - Peak Oil: At some point between 2000 and 2007, world oil production reaches its peak; from that point on, every barrel of oil is going to be harder to find, more expensive to recover, and more valuable to those who recover and control it. Dick Cheney was well aware of the coming Peak Oil crisis at least as early as 1999, and 9/11 provided the pretext for the series of energy wars that Cheney stated, "will not end in our lifetime."


    Opportunity - 9/11 War Games: The Air Force was running multiple war games on the morning of 9/11 simulating hijackings over the continental United States that included (at least) one "live-fly" exercise as well as simulations that placed "false blips" on FAA radar screens. These war games eerily mirrored the real events of 9/11 to the point of the Air Force running drills involving hijacked aircraft as the 9/11 plot actually unfolded. The war games & terror drills played a critical role in ensuring no Air Force fighter jocks - who had trained their entire lives for this moment - would be able to prevent the attacks from succeeding. These exercises were under Dick Cheney's management.
     
  20. Midas

    Midas New Member

    You are kidding, right?

    You are telling us the Dick Cheney orchestrated the whole thing while being in office as a V.P. for less than 8 months.

    Here's to "natural selection" dealing with the likes of you people.
     

Share This Page