911 for dummies "What possible motivation would the Bush administration have for ordering the 9/11 scam?" The motivation is revealed by the very results that were implemented right after 9/11 (qui bono? -- who benefits?). It is now known that the Bush administration started discussing how to start wars with Afghanistan and Iraq during their first month in office. 9/11 gave them the pretext for those wars (with some additional lies about WMDs to kickstart the invasion of Iraq). They wanted and got far more power and control. They got all the things that the PNAC (Project for a New American Century) said they wanted in the year 2000. Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Jeb Bush, as well as most of the leading neocons were all members of the PNAC, and signatories on the paper Rebuilding America's Defenses, which specifically called for "a catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbor."
For the just plain ignorant "Didn't the 9/11 Commission prove the case?" No, not at all, it didn't even attempt to. The 9/11 Commission Report started with the assumption that the official story was true. Commission Director and Bush administration insider, Philip Zeikow, wrote a detailed outline for the report before the Commissioners even met, and was in charge of every aspect of the Commission, including writing the final report. They did not consider alternative theories. The report DID NOT EVEN MENTION the collapse of WTC Building 7.
Bother me? Nah Thurston..but if money is responsible for producing the likes of you,.I'd choose to be poor if it would insulate me from accumulating your brand of arrogance and ignorance,. I can only hope that all republicans aren't like you. Oh..by the way...does your mother still hate you? I think you need a toddy. (oh...and your line of hundred dollar bills should be dry now Thurston.
A whole lot of post after post after post without ever producing anything conclusive, all speculation. Best example would be this: "What possible motivation would the Bush administration have for ordering the 9/11 scam?" The motivation is revealed by the very results that were implemented right after 9/11 (qui bono? -- who benefits?). this is just you drawing conclussion right? Certainly it might be true they took a bit more power after and wars began but it is just not a logical coclussion. Your arguments are all very weak and just do not prove anything save an active imagination and the ability to make leaps. Itis contrary to even the muslims account you claim they are resposible for this and those who have, after the fact...recounted how and who were involved. I will comment only one time to you, you obviously have your mind made up...but REALLY? People trust our government? What country are YOU living in? I dont know a single person who trusts our government and I know plenty who think they are not, and never have been, out for our best interest. The problem with your case is that there is just nothing at all to point to that is concrete and not speculation. If what you are saying is true is that human beings...a good number of them...would have had to commit this act and none of them admit to it later, wrote a book showing concrete evidence to the fact this happen....this is just not the behaviour I have seen in anyone involved in such things...IMO for the 'government' (whoever they are who did this in your mind) did something like this, it would have taken a good many people to organize (IMO). Its hard for me to believe one of the many people who would have been involved would not have stepped forward. I have read a bit of this thread and your argument and I have seen nothing that would make me think the government (however many people it took to pull this off I dont know and I guess Bush is responsible in your eyes?) had any hand in this at all...I am not insulting you as much as to say I think you have failed in making a convincing argument or producing anything that could be remotely called proof... But good luck...I seriously doubt anyone could convince you that you have taken the wrong turn here and I wont try because you have a certain advantage over me as you, like Midas with Muslims, are quite obsessed over this issue. If Midas has taught me anything, dont try to debate a person obsessed....it will never end...ever.
I have been studying the religion of islam since muslims ruined the 1972 Olympics. I will never forget Jim McKay telling the world, "They are all gone." I simply asked "WHY?" and when you look at the MOTIVES that drives "true" muslims to ACT as they do, you simply cannot ignore the evidence. Face it...Any objective person would have to question, if there something inherently violent about a faith for this to happen on a virtually daily basis. Ask yourself, if Catholics, Buddhists, Hinduists, or any other religion were committing these types of atrocities on such a frequent basis - while invoking the name of religion - wouldn't you call them into question too?? Oh...that's right, I asked the question and muslim apologists will tell you I am 'obsessed'. But is that the case? Why does it always seem to be in the name of Islam and not any other religion? Where are these people getting these ideas from? Means, motive, and opportunity often need to be established to secure a successful prosecution in criminal proceedings, or in this case, an islamic terrorist attack. Just like a detective, it is incumbent on the rational world to establish burden of proof and to provide evidence that is beyond any reasonable doubt. "True" muslims had the MEANS on 9/11/01. "True" muslims had the MOTIVE to kill on 9/11/01. Just like 1,400 years before this day and the years following this islamic jihadist attack. "True" muslims had the OPPORTUNITY that day. I know it is hard for muslim appeasers and apologists to comprehend WHY in the world would a person(s) wish to fly jet plances into buildings for their religion (as they yelled out, "Allah Akbar"), but this type of behavior is NOTHING NEW, just closer to home as they spread this cancer from Mecca. Islam has been, will, and will always be a declaring of war against all those that don't buy into this madness. - - Read how islamc spreads under force over the last 1,400 years... - - Read the life and terrorist deeds of their founding pedophile prophet... - - Read the 100's of passages of hate and intolerance in the koran... Put it together and any rational person can see WHY (MOTIVE) "true" muslims committed the largest attack on American soil. No differant than before 9/11 and unfortunately, no differant after 9/11/01.
Its so easy to set this guy off into a rant...its just not fun anymore. See what I mean tom? It takes almost nothing at all to set Midas off on a anti-islam rant, he usually uses photos of mean looking islamic extremists and does a little color coding...but he is a man obsessed and you can talk to him forever an he will go in circles and do as you have done here...post after post after post...he is here to teach us, not to listen. You can even admit he has a few good points but he will never do the same... At any given time I can set him off into a rant that might go on for many pages...do you not see yourself in him just a bit?
Ahhhh...excuse me, please explain in my last post where I am wrong? I asked a simple question that in essence is the reason why 9/11 (along with 1,000's of terrorist attacks before and after) occur almost on a daily basis throughout the world. It is because of islam that 9/11 occured and it is just ONE (thought big) terrorist attack due to islam. Be honest with yourself for once...If Catholics, Buddhists, Hinduists, or any other religion were committing these types of terrorist attacks and murders on such a frequent basis - while invoking the name of their religion - why then are you so afraid to call that into question? I guess you are afraid of what you may find. Go ahead and tell us that a few bad apples don't represent the whole. How do we put this to the test? Why is that islamic terrorists claim 'moderate' or 'not muslim enough' muslims are not really muslims and these animals denounce their cowardice? Why is that 'moderate' muslims have not taken any ACTIONS to go after and rid the cancer that is encompassing this relgion? Use some logic for a change... People like yourself, the media and 'moderate' and 'not muslim enough' muslims try to distance islamic terrorists as 'radicals' or 'fundamentalists' - but doesn't the 100's of passages from their koran reassert that they are in fact of the faith? Like their prophet? Like the last 1,400 years? If I am a follower who understands, believes, and applies the fundamentals of my faith wouldn't I in fact be a fundamentalist? In short, aren't the 'fundamentalists' the ones who truly know and understand their faith – as opposed to 'moderate' and 'not muslim enough' muslims that simply pick and choose their faith while ignoring all of the hate in the koran and the terrorist/pedophile activities of their founding prophet? Answer those questions and maybe, just maybe, conspiracy whacko's will finally understand why a person would want to fly a jet into a building all for the glory of their religion. To understand why 9/11/01 took place, you simply can't ignore the MOTIVE due to the religion of islam.
They have try looking at the recent push against the Taliban and it's supporters in Pakistan, Oh sorry you wont want to be reminded of that now will you LOL Nor the fact that Muslim Soldiers are serving alongside us in Afghanistan LOL nope they cant of course be real muslim, they are obviously catholics or protestants in disguise LOL
All that proves is the incompetence of the United States government agencies. Coincidentally, your entire theory is based upon the incredible proficiency of government agencies and predicated on the ability of thousands of people to keep secret.
Good question...I will attempt to answer it for you. Aside from all of the billions that are being poured into this country and all of the pay-offs that are being made to muslim tribal leaders, keep in mind that your "true" muslim can rarely think. What I mean is that they react and emote on cue like programmed robots. A muslim cannot have a conversation or discussion without predicating every "thought" or thesis on islam as islam is central to everything a muslim does or says. When muslims say that islam is a complete way of life, they aren't kidding. Islamic life is so narrow, regulated, and insular that muslims cannot function in a normal, secular environment. Of course, some manage to escape its suffocating limitations and strictures but in most cases, the guilt and shame overwhelm them. That's when those "nice" "normal" muslims become ticking time bombs. Also, mohammad himself allowed muslims to make peace with its enemies for the sole purpose of rearming and restrengthing themselves. In islam it is called a "hunda" and it was a terrorist tactic practiced by their terrorist prophet himself. Keep in mind that thoes muslims that committed the 9/11 attacks were out having a good time and even drank alcohol for the sole pupose of "blending in"...which again, in islamic warfare, is ALLOWED.
Geraldo is a bigger nutjob than you. I don't know one American who believes the leaders in our goverment are just and fair. By posting this passage, are you admitting that your intent is brainwash those that are not critical thinkers? I would like to point out that you are not a critical thinker either. You have already been brainwashed by the "truther lies" and are just following orders like a good little truther drone should. I give you credit for doing it with more zeal than most, but in the end that only makes you a bigger fool than the rest of the truthers.
The people they killed in Iraq and Afghanistan are considered enemies of the United States under the Bush administration. How the hell can you possibly equate killing enemies of the state with genocide. That is completely illogical. In my life, I have never seen a President as patriotic as Bush. His patriotism and religious beliefs were so strong that it led him to make some horrible mistakes during his administration. Everything he did was based upon his unwaivering dedication to his own core beliefs. You seem to think he is the antichrist. Well Tom, he isn't. He is just a good ole boy from Texas who loved his God, the USA, and refused to back down from a fight. BTW. Millions! No way has the US killed millions, but keep making things up and ruining your own credibility. I don't mind.
I cant say I agree with the Bush thing above... As for what Orc said...There are MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of Muslims that would never even think of committing an act of terror, he has a catch all for these people, they aren't 'true' Muslim dogs...because of course Christians and other religions NEVER worship differently from each other or take or leave different parts of the bible that they think might not be right in today's world...but still call themselves Christians Back when I errantly thought he was sane I filled a thread FULL of good Muslims doing good works...its as simple as 'they aren't true Muslims' as a defense and then come the photos and color coded rants...its a convenient way of labeling a whole mass of people as evil and subhuman...putting them at the level of animals...its a lazy hate mongers way of not having to take people for their actions and lump them all together...not having to blame the individuals actions and instead just blame ALL. I did finally realize that it was no use trying to discuss anything with him...but I LOVE how he takes over any thread with his all consuming hatred. Its like Pavlov's dog...I simply know if I say Muslim, he will appear...Its a great way to kill threads The thing I found I hated about conversing with him is his over the top rhetoric drew me into defending a religion even though I think they are all, on the whole, a fraud that looks to brainwash people into believing in an invisible, all powerfull, all knowing, super being (and control them with fear and promised rewards)...straight out of a fantasy novel...If they didnt call that invisible friend god, we would think they were insane and send them to get help. so I would usually be the last person who would EVER defend any of them.
A complete lie. The Bush administration never wanted to start a war in Afghanistan. The were forced to attack Afghanistan after 9/11 because there was no correlation between Iraq and Al-qaeda. Instead of posting a partial quote that is certainly taken out of context, why not post the entire written agenda (or link) of the PNAC. Your interpretation of the governments corruption is so over the top it is scary. The Bush administration certainly used 9/11 as an excuse to wage war on Iraq, but that does not mean the planned 9/11. There are much easier ways to start a war than committing genocide on your own people. Furthermore, I submit that it would be less risky simply to attack Iraq without Congressional approval than to risk getting caught perpetrating the ridicoulously impossible plan you propose happened on 9/11. If this is your attempt to establish motive, you have failed miserably.
Hey Drusus...Sorry to burst your bubble...it is what it is. Islam is the root behind 9/11/01 so it is important to understand the MOTIVE behind all of their terrorist attacks. You simply can't dismiss it. Face it...Those that follow islam as their terrorist prophet intended lead a life that is so narrow, regulated, and mind controlling. Maybe your wife doesn't mind banging her head to the floor 5 times a day mumbling words in arabic with no idea what she is saying, but it is because of islam and this total controlling mind set that results it over 95% of terrorist attacks in a name of a islam...like 9/11. Why do you ignore that their prophet mohammad divided the world into two areas: The world of Dar al-Islam, and the world of Dar al-Harb, or House of War. Everyone on Earth is therefore either a Muslim or an infidel who must convert or else. The Koran is quite clear about this. Maybe your wife denounces her prophet for this crap and if she does, she would be considered an apostrate...definitely NOT a true muslims by any stretch! Ask yourself...why In muslim majority nations, such as Saudi Arabia, non-muslims are regarded as Dhimmis, second-class people whose testimony in court is worth only a fraction of that of a muslim and who must pay extra taxes (or ransom)?? Forget equality under the law, and don’t even ask how they treat Dhimmi women. I give your wife a lot of credit for marrying an infidel like yourself because her prophet would have nothing to do with you. If her prophet were alive today, he would demand you either convert or pay up (jizya in arabic). You really wouldn't have a choice would you?...unless you fought back. Islam is what it is...it is the same madness (motive) that caused muslim jihadisits to carry forth 9/11/01.
So standing up to your lies and propaganda campaign is arrogant and igorant is it. As for what produced the likes of me, look in the mirror. Your incessant lies force me to expose you for what you are, a "poor" little truther drone. I dont know why you think my mother would hate me, but she passed away years ago, and I would appreciate it if you would not talk about her.
Pentagon common sense The Pentagon.. the heart of the military establishment of the world's greatest super-power.. was hit after ample warning without being protected by any defensive action. The 9:37 strike was well over an hour after the first signs of a hijacking and 34 minutes after the South Tower strike confirmed that an attack was underway. The Pentagon is within 11 miles of Andrews Air Force Base, which had two combat-ready fighter wings on 9/11/01. The attack plane was monitored on radar as it approached the capital. Lemming response: Duh...I guess they were confused.
