Vess Yes, there are MANY things to this that are troubling to say the least. I am not on the "absolutly not " inside job team, I am open to truth. when you are dealing with something of this magnitude, you should be very careful and pay close attention to the absolute un-debunkable facts. Theorys will get you in trouble. I have yet to see anything to prove either sides opinion undisputable, but the truthers have a talking points memo that is so outdated and proven wrong it is like arguing with a brick. I would decry America if I came to believe this was inside......could it be? yes....is it? thats freakin scary.
I don't know what could have caused WTC7 to collapse the way that it did. It is by far the most unexplainable event of the entire event. However, that does not mean that it was brought down with nano thermite as suggested by the truthers who support the most ridiculously complex conspiracy theory ever. If given a choice for what caused the WTC7 to collapse between the truther's conspiracy theory and the hand of God, I would choose the hand of God. What possible motive is there to destroy that building if the two towers are gone? It makes absolutely no sense. What really gets me about this is that the truthers feel the need to have it all. They want everyone to believe that the official story is completely fabricated and that the US government under the Bush administration is responsible for the worst single act of genocide in the history of mankind without even providing a motive. If they would just back off and come up with a reasonable conspiracy theory, they would probably be able to garner a lot of support. Here is what I am talking about. It seems clear that the government has covered up something in this whole mess. If someone told me that the government is suppressing information about the events of 9/11 in order to keep the fact that spies infiltrated the government and helped in the success of the terror operation, I would listen. If they discovered and disposed of the spies and hid all information that would have linked the terrorists to said spies, I would still listen. But when they want me to believe that the Bush administration was in league with Osama Bin Laden to attack his own country, I wont listen. Are they claiming that George Bush is the best liar and actor in the history of the world. All you had to do was listen to the passion in his voice when he spoke about the war on terror. He wasn't the brightest President, but throughout his entire Presidency, his patriotism and commitment to the war on terror never wavered. Because of this unwavering commitment, he will go down in history as one of the worst Presidents in American history. The truthers want us to believe that it was Bush that was responsible for 9/11 and that the following 7 years were all an act. Now I ask you, does anyone think that Bush was talented enough in way to pull that off?
Just a passing thought would it have been possible that a terrorist cell was actualy renting space in the building and using it as a bomb factory at the time!
Phone calls Boy oh boy...where to start. Unbelievable comments. I'll try and respond but I'm thinking my efforts are futile. I don't know why folks won't address hardly any of the points I posted, whether it's the "too scared to look" mentality, the the "government couldn't/wouldn't" mentality, or just plain willful ignorance, maybe born out of fear. Everyone wants to seem to stay in "general " terms and not admit or try to answer the many issues I've tried to pint out, but I'm supposed to come up with "how they did it" for most to even consider anything other than the bull they've been fed. I don't know but I am losing hope fast. Kinda makes me a bit sick actually. Let's see...cell phone calls/technology. Barbara Olsen, again, was over 25,000 feet in the air (supposedly) when she (again supposedly) made "cell phone calls". Not possible. Ted Olsen claimed this, then claimed it was from the on board phones. Again..not possible. the plane didn't have any on board phones. But Ted said she called even though she couldn't have. You'd naturally conclude that Ted's lying. Then you should naturally ask why it is that he would lie. So Lehigh, it wasn't possible in 2001. The high altitude technology was only possible BEGINNING in about 2004. So, FACT..Barbara Olsen calls DIDN'T happen from the plane because they COULDN'T have. Why then the LIES that she did? Some folks went to a lot of trouble to initiate this claim. Why?
Nat Geo Jack..the show was complete nonsense. If you want me to shred that apart, I will if you like but I think there are more important points to discuss.
Theory Lehigh....no you want someone to put forward a theory so that you can lump that theory in with lots of other nonsense that is on the internet about 911 to dismiss all of it. I hesitate to do that. Besides...we have been told what the "official" is supposed to be. The fact that it falls apart so easily shouldn't require an alternative theory. I think it's pointless.
Just a passing thought would it have been possible that a terrorist cell was actualy renting space in the building and using it as a bomb factory at the time! __________________ Sure it is possible, but don't you think somebody would have put forth that "possibility" by now? Besides...we already have the story and that wasn't included in it.
Wtc7 I don't know what could have caused WTC7 to collapse the way that it did. It is by far the most unexplainable event of the entire event. However, that does not mean that it was brought down with nano thermite as suggested by the truthers who support the most ridiculously complex conspiracy theory ever. ----------------------------- Lehigh...the fact that it collapsed at all and you "don't know" SHOULD perpetuate your curiousity using the same logic you apply to your statement above. We were told how (albeit after several years) why it collapsed all by itself. So I'm a "truther" too. Ok, I guess I've been called worse. Nano thermite is "ridiculous".....so you see the pointlessness of me or anyone else suggesting possible theories and why we "truthers" don't do it? You can analyze "ridiculous theories" but not the original "ridiculous theory".
Now for the most important question which has never been answered by any truther ever. What was the motive of the government to kill thousands of Americans, destroy billions of dollars in US property, and cause a worldwide recession? ------------------------------------------------ Maybe if we could establish the real story and the general public's comprehension level were a bit higher, instead of the smokescreen we were told from day 1, we could easier understand the motive. Your citing this question as being the "most important" probably establishes the part about public comprehension though.
Pentagon For the last time Tom. Temperatures of structure fires exceed the annealing temperature of steel routinely. You can ignore it, disagree with it, or just continue to post the melting point of steel if you want, but none of those change the truth --------------------------------------------------- I think I've responded adequately to this topic. How bout you responding to some of the points I bring up..like, were there "war games" simulating planes crashing into buildings that day or not? A simple YES or NO would suffice.
It seems clear It seems clear that the government has covered up something in this whole mess. ---------------------------- I see...and it must be just as clear to you that they did it for our own good, we should just trust them because they really have all or our best interests at heart, right? Just curious...you ever heard of "The Manhattan Project" or the "Gulf of Tonkin" incident? Not really relevant but humor me if you would..
You expect me to believe that everyone including security and surveillance were prohibited from the building so that outside contractors could work on the elevators. And, of course you have written documentation of this obvious lie. Who gave you that information, the truther fairy. -------------------------------------------- Yes the truther fairy told me. No I don't expect you to believe it, and finally...you asked "how could they", remember? I suggested a possibility, but then you just wanted something to ridicule I'm sure. My possibilities are "obvious" lies.... that you can analyze, but, finding fault with the multiple fabrications of the "official" (speaking of fairies and fairy tales) story, doesn't make any sense..and that's obvious too. Buildings falling by themselves at the end of the day, phone calls that couldn't possibly have been made were made, and nobody lied.. NORAD's event timeline being changed 3 times, Norman Mineta's testimony suggesting that Cheney knew what was going on with the impending Pentagon crash, and folks with box cutters outsmarted our entire military for 2 hours and defeated the Pentagon's automatic defenses while the country had been "under attack" for an hour and a half already.... are all "obviously" and very believably the truth, right?
So how many people planted nano thermite charges in the WTC Tom? They were able to accomplish this feat in just 4 days! It had to be the government since nobody else has access to nano thermite. ---------------------------- You apply logic when it fits your presentation. I am glad though, that you realize nano thermite is exclusive to only the military/government. Keep talking..I'm taking notes.
I would question as to the possibility that someone other than a goverment would be able to procure the Nano thermite, if you have enough money and the contacts then you can purchase just about anything. Also I would say that my theory is just as valid as yours Tom, just because no one has put it foreward dont mean that it never happend now does it LOL
Sorry to all of you apologists and conspiracy whack-o's..."true" muslims were responsible for the 9/11/01 islamic attack. Even the head islamic terrorist admitted so. Usama bin Laden appeared via video tape on the islamic terrorist network Al-Jazeera and admitted he ordered the Sept. 11 attacks. Remember when this came out just 4 days before the 2004 presidential election? "Your security is not in the hands of Kerry, Bush or Al Qaeda. Your security is in your own hands," bin Laden said, referring to the president and his Democratic opponent. "Any state that does not mess with our security, has naturally guaranteed its own security." Admitting for the first time that he ordered the Sept. 11 attacks, bin Laden said he did so because of injustices against the Lebanese and Palestinians by Israel and the United States. Al-Jazeera, which is based in Qatar, broadcast about seven minutes of the tape. The station's spokesman, Jihad Ali Ballout, said Al-Jazeera aired what was "newsworthy and relevant" and refused to describe the unaired portions, including whether they included any threats. Ballout said the station received the tape Friday but would not say how. Bin Laden states referring to when Bush was reading to school children in Sarasota, "It never occurred to us that the commander in chief of the American armed forces would leave 50,000 of his citizens in the two towers to face these horrors alone," he said, referring to the number of people who worked at the World Trade Center. In planning the attacks, bin Laden said he told Mohammed Atta, one of the hijackers, that the strikes had to be carried out "within 20 minutes before Bush and his administration noticed." In an earlier videotape, issued Sept. 10, 2003, bin Laden is seen walking through rocky terrain with his top deputy Ayman al-Zawahri, both carrying automatic rifles. In a taped message issued at the same time, bin Laden praises the "great damage to the enemy" on Sept. 11 and mentions five hijackers by name. In December 2001, bin Laden is shown at a dinner with associates in Afghanistan on Nov. 9, 2001, saying the destruction of the Sept. 11 attacks exceeded even his "optimistic" calculations. 9/11/01 is the most successful islamic terrorist attack on the United States since our country has been fighting islamic terrorism since the days of "to the shores of Tripoli" (Marine Hymn) Yes, the United States had to send its first Marines to fight these islamic terrorists off of the North African coast who were pirating our ships and forcing ISLAM on our captured crews!
Tom, You didn't answer my question! My question was: When did the technology change and what was the altitude limit on a cellphone in 2001? Let me explain where I am going with this. How the hell would she know what altitude she was at? Was she in the cockpit? Did the terrorist come over the loud speaker and say "thank you ladies and gentlemen for flying terrorist airlines, we are cruising comfortably at 25,000 feet but we should be crashing into the White House in about an hour"?- So Tom, IT IS POSSIBLE until you can prove what altitude the plane was flying at when the phone call was made. You cant do that can ya Tom. And yes Tom, if you are claiming that the government did it, you have to tell us how they did it. Simply pointing out what you consider are impossibilities is not proof that the official story is a lie. Especially when the impossibilities are based on lies and incorrect facts.
Tom, Yes, you need to shred it apart. Dismissing this program as unimportant is tantamount to you calling a 60 foot put in golf a "gimmie" and picking your ball up. I can win the argument right now with that logic. Wanna see me do it. Here goes. Everything Tom says is ridiculous, take my word for it. I WIN.
Tom, The reason you won't provide an alternate theory is because you can't devise one that makes any sense. You haven't even begun to make the official story fall apart dude. Wait, that isn't fair. You did convince one person (look in the mirror).
Tom, The original theory is that a fire caused that building to collapse in what you call a controlled demolition fashion. I assume you have experience in explosives and the demolition of buildings BTW. I agree that we are missing information that would help explain the collapse of that building. However, to jump to nano thermite without any opportunity or motive is ridiculous. But I do understand your reluctance to provide and alternative theory since you just admitted they are ridiculous.
