Obama: Meeting with our enemies and appeasing muslims

When islamic countries let islamic doctrine and the koran dictate their policies and laws first and foremost over anything else, then you have a problem. The expansion of islam placed their religion first over country...not country over this terrorist religion.

As for the latest appeasement of muslim animals, have you heard about the Gaza Strip? Israel gave up this land for peace. What happened? Muslim animals in the likes of Hamas simply moved their rockets closer to Israel's population centers and fired on them in the hopes of killing as many Jews as possible. All for their Allah!



All for their KORAN and the life and misdeeds of their terrorist prophet. Please note what book these animals are holding:




Just more proof that you can never enter into a "peace" agreement with the muslim world.

Peace and islam NEVER go together...never has, never will.

 

I did not see the vid, but, seriously folks, isn't Matthews that guy that C$ms in his pants when he hears O speak? The one that gets a tingle? The one who nods along and agrees with the statement that O is a kind of God?

Can we really, seriously consider Matthews or any of his MS-NBC gang objective journalists? Rather we should call them bi curious groupies in my opinion.

 

Midas the Palistinians were in Gaza rather a long time before President Obamas speach (Maybe you did not know that one, I do realise that your grasp of the political situation and history is tenuouse to say the least) and I sugest that you take a look at other American Presidents speaches concerning the area (Again you wont like what they say)

 

A fair statement depending on your point of view I suppose. Your opinion is duly noted here.

People are watching MSNBC and their schlock because they're tired of the FOX News schlock. Like everything on Fox is Gospel? Fox "journalists" are really journalists?

 

Any of you recognise these words? know who they were by? now tell me what is so different between what President Obama said in Cairo and What this person said.

Is this Person a Appeser!! Is he selling out Israil, giving in to the Muslims!

The question now is how to reconcile Israel's legitimate security concerns with the legitimate rights of the Palestinians. And that answer can only come at the negotiating table. Each party must recognize that the outcome must be acceptable to all and that true peace will require compromises by all.

So, tonight, I am calling for a fresh start. This is the moment for all those directly concerned to get involved in - or lend their support to - a workable basis for peace. The Camp David agreement remains the foundation of our policy. Its language provides all parties with the leeway they need for successful negotiations.

I call on Israel to make clear that the security for which she yearns can only be achieved through genuine peace, a peace requiring magnanimity, vision and courage.

I call on the Palestinian people to recognize that their own political aspirations are inextricably bound to recognition of Israel's right to a secure future.

And I call on the Arab states to accept the reality of Israel -- and the reality that peace and justice are to be gained only through hard, fair, direct negotiations.

First, as outlined in the Camp David accords, there must be a period of time during which the Palestinian inhabitants of the West Bank and Gaza will have full autonomy over their own affairs. Due consideration must be given to the principle of self-government by the inhabitants of the territories and to the legitimate security concerns of the parties involved.

The United States will not support the use of any additional land for the purpose of settlements during the transition period. Indeed, the immediate adoption of a settlement freeze by Israel, more than any other action, could create the confidence needed for wider participation in these talks. Further settlement activity is in no way necessary for the security of Israel and only diminishes the confidence of the Arabs and a final outcome can be freely and fairly negotiated.

 

The islamic terrorist group Hamas received 65% of the popular vote in the last so-called "Palestine." election. The somewhat secular Fatah, at least by comparison to Hamas, won only 30% of the votes. So, 2 out of every 3 of these muslims support islamic jihad and terrorism.

I don't care who you are...anyone who reaches out to these animals should be called out for it.



Hamas like hundreds of other islamic terrorist groups are simply following the koran, the life of their terrorist prophet and 1,300 years of islamic war and terror.

 

LOL you realy can't sustain your argument can you midas, those were the words of the 40th President of the United States, Ronald Reagan but of course you cant call him an Appeser now can you You keep on squirming and trying to change the subject

 

I could care less what President said it...the fact of the matter is that history has proven you CAN'T NEGOTIATE with true muslims. Reagan should have never reached out to "true" muslims...the Marine Barrack's bombing in Lebanon should have taught him that lesson.

Here's WHY you NEVER should negotiate with "true" muslims...

Hudna is an Arabic term meaning "truce" or "armistice" as well as "calm" or "quiet", coming from a verbal root meaning "calm". It is sometimes translated as "cease-fire". In the Lisan al-Arab (Ibn al-Manzur's definitive dictionary of classical Arabic, dating to the 14th century) it is defined as follows:

"hadana: he grew quiet. hadina: he quieted (transitive or intransitive). haadana: he made peace with. The noun from each of these is hudna."
A particularly famous early hudna was the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah between Muhammad and the Quraysh tribe.

According to Umdat as-Salik, a medieval summary of Shafi'i jurisprudence, hudnas with a non-Muslim enemy should be limited to 10 years: "if Muslims are weak, a truce may be made for ten years if necessary, for the Prophet made a truce with the Quraysh for that long, as is related by Abu Dawud" ('Umdat as-Salik, o9.16).

Hudna has a distinct meaning to Islamic fundamentalists, well-versed in their history:

The prophet mohammad struck a legendary, ten-year hudna with the Quraysh tribe that controlled Mecca in the seventh century. Over the following two years, Mohammad rearmed his forces and took advantage of a minor Quraysh infraction to break the hudna and launch the full conquest of Mecca, the holiest city in Islam.

When Yassir Arafat infamously invoked Mohammad's hudna in 1994 to describe his own Oslo commitments "on the road to Jerusalem," the implication was clear. As Mideast expert Daniel Pipes explained, Arafat was asserting to his Islamic brethren that he will, "when his circumstances change for the better, take advantage of some technicality to tear up existing accords and launch a military assault on Israel." Indeed, this is precisely what occurred in Sept. 2000 when Arafat & Co. launched a terror assault upon Israeli citizens. Look at the first attack on the WTC in the early 90's, muslims layed low and attacked again less than 10 years later!

As for Hamas, these muslim animals have proven time and again their commitment to a tactical hudna — replenishing their strength during the quiet periods, then returning with increased deadliness. As recently documented by The Washington Institute, Hamas agreed to no less than ten ceasefires in the past ten years, and after every single one returned freshly armed for terror. Hundreds of Israeli citizens have paid for these hudnas with their lives.

Israeli leadership is convinced, therefore, that yet another hudna would jeopardize three years of painstaking IDF anti-terror work that has left Hamas and Islamic Jihad reeling. As IDF Major-General Amos Gilad said on Monday, "For us as a nation, it is forbidden to interest ourselves in this hudna, which is a threat to any kind of peace." Echoing Gilad's words is the road map itself, which calls for the PA to "arrest, disrupt, and restrain" terror leaders — not granting an opportunity for replenishing their strength.

Given the religious, historical and diplomatic facts regarding the actual meaning of hudna, it is disturbing to see the media nearly everywhere translate the term to English as "truce".

There is no such thing as a truce with Islam. Their prophet mohammad makes it very clear that it is okay to lay low and pretend to make peace with your enemy as long as if you are rearming yourself for the purpose of islamic conquest. History has shown and proved that islam has NO intention of living in peace with people of other faithes and religions. Hudna's are just a tactic method to carry out islamic domination.

Peace with islam? It is NOT possible!! It is just a Hudna waiting to explode...again and again!!

This is why you don't appease true muslims...

 

Yet you make such a big deal about what President Obama says!! Admit it you just hate muslims but dont have the bottle to say that you would sanction genocide against them, after all everyone is wrong but you
You cant offer support to those who are fighting against this cancer can you ? and why not because deep down you are just as fanatical as they are.

 

We shall see...but as Biden suggested before the '08 election, terrorists (muslim animals) will surely test B.O.'s resolve.

BTW...I recited hostorical facts and records...you resorted to typical name calling.

Nice...very nice!

 

You mean internal terrorists or other groups like the IRA wont test him? Ever!?

 

LOL yes typical name calling When are you going to come out of the closet midas and openly advocate a final solution for the muslim problem? After all you have absolutly not a single positive sugestion to make do you?

 

Appeasing the earth's cancer has not worked, will not work and has NEVER worked.

This is not a poltical power, but a religion...a religion that has demonstrated that peace, freedom, and their idealogy have not, do not, and will never go together.

Do you really honestly believe that those that follow islam as mohammad started will ever live in peace with others that don't believe in their madness??

Their texts say not...their history says not and yes, their ACTIONS tell it like it is:

So ask this question...

Are "true" muslims allowed to make friends with Christians, Jews or other non-muslims?

Answer:

Unbelievers are described by the terrorist muhammad (in the joran) as "the vilest of animals" and "losers." Christians and Jews are hated by Allah to the extent that they are destined for eternal doom as a result of their beliefs. It would make no sense for muhammad to then recommend them to be taken in as friends by muslims. In fact, the koran plainly commands believers not to take unbelievers as friends.

Look it up yourselves and SEE what is driving these animals to ACT as they do:

Koran (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

Koran (5:80) - "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide." Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.

Koran (3:28) - "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah..."

Koran (3:118) - "O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people, they do not fall short of inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear to you, if you will understand." This verse not only warns Muslims not to take non-Muslims as friends, but it establishes the deep-seated paranoia that the rest of the world is out to get them.

Koran (9:23) - "O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers" Even family members are not to be taken as friends if they do not accept Islam. (This is the mildest interpretation of this verse from the 9th Sura, which also advocates "slaying the unbeliever wherever ye find them").

Koran (53:29) - "Therefore shun those who turn away from Our Message and desire nothing but the life of this world."

Koran (3:85) - "And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers."

Koran (3:10) - "(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah, and these it is who are the fuel of the fire." Those who do not believe in Muhammad are but fuel for the fire of Hell (also 66:6, 2:24. 21:98).

Koran (7:44) - "The Companions of the Garden will call out to the Companions of the Fire: "We have indeed found the promises of our Lord to us true: Have you also found Your Lord's promises true?" They shall say, "Yes"; but a crier shall proclaim between them: "The curse of Allah is on the wrong-doers" Muslims in heaven will amuse themselves by looking down on non-Muslims in Hell and mocking them while they are being tortured (see 22:19-22.

Koran(1:5-7) - "Show us the straight path, The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray" This is a prayer that Muslims are supposed to repeat each day. "Those who earn Thine anger" specifically refers to Jews and "those who go astray" refers to Christians (see Bukhari (12:749)).

Source:

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/

Surely not a "right wing" school by any means...like I said, you just can't make this crap up.

You can't help "true" muslims, they are simply following their founding terrorist prophet's commands.

It is time we pay attention to the madness for it is in their religion to convert us, tax us or FIGHT us!

 

Dont post that crap here you muslim animal! Recite the Koran to yourself. No one here wants to read it.

 

Well maybe you should...continuing to sweep this hate under your rug and denying it is worldwide cancer is no differant than sticking your head into the sand pit.

It is NOT going away. It is what it is and if you don't subscribe to their beliefs, you are the enemy...plain and simple.

I only recited verses from the koran that tell their followers what and how to deal with unbelievers...

You should read all of the hate that deals with fighting and killing...

Just like their prophet...

Just like their history...

Just like their ACTIONS...

 

Go blow up a bus in Tel-Aviv or something you wolf in sheep's clothing.

 

No...that's what "true" muslims who follow the koran and their prophet's life's example do:

15 DEAD, 50 WOUNDED AS ISLAMIC TERRORIST CLAIMS CREDIT FOR BARBARIC ATTACK



[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]An Islamic Arab terrorist used 10 kilos of explosives with nails and ball bearings to murder 14 Israelis, 1 American and wound over 50 bus passengers in the Carmel section of Haifa.[/FONT]


Go ahead and defend this religion!



This is just ONE of many examples...

 

Carried out by those who are the enemies of Islam according to one of your posts, or do you now deny that you made such a post!! These people are no more followers of Islam than the IRA was a Catholic terrorist organisation, but that wont sit with you will it because then you woudnt have anyone to hate.

Were those who set of the Bomb in Omagh Catholic Terrorists Midas?

 

First...don't try to draw a moral equilvalency with one or two individual terrorist attacks compared to an ENTIRE RELGIOUS MOVEMENT. For every single individual (i.e., an abortion doctor killer) who was apprehended, prosecuted and executed by other Jews and Christians, there are literally tens of 1,000's of islamic terrorist attacks committed in the name of Islam. 99% of all terrorist attacks in the name of a religion are committed by islamic terrorists. This you cannot deny.

Unfortunately, most other "not muslim enough" muslims simply turn their backs to these crimes, "understand" them, and then, we in the West are then forced to deal with this cancer. The PEW Research alone proved that one in four muslims HERE in the United States are okay with suicide bombings for God's sake...and these are people live in the United States!! (Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18797530/

People that fight non-Muslims, "not-muslim-enough" muslims, "moderate" muslims are not enemies or hijackers of Islam...they ARE Islam.

The facts that support this can be easily found in the koran. The koran’s core theme is about the duty of all muslims to fight non-Muslims and yes, those "not muslim enough". If you don't...look out for those that are simply following the koran and the life and terrorist activities of mohammad. Want me to list all of the hate in this book?

Yes, there are moderates and "not-muslim-enough" muslims who respect our laws and act civilzed...however, their actions are AGAINST koranic doctrine and However, the koran does have something against them.

Koran (Sura 2, verse 85) states that those believers who do not believe in everything the koran states will be humiliated and receive the severest punishment; which means that they will roast in Hell. In other words, people who call themselves Muslims but who do not believe, for example, in Sura 9, verse 30 [9:30], which states that Jews and Christians must be fought, or, for example, in Sura 5, verse 38, which states that the hand of a thief must be cut off, such people will be humiliated and roast in Hell.

That is WHY "True" muslims are killing "moderate" muslims!

All this can be found in the koran. The koran also states that muslims who believe in only part of the koran are in fact apostates, and we know what has to happen to apostates. They have to be killed.

Islam may be trying to be hijacked by "moderate" muslims, but those that follow the koran and mohammad's example are in fact the keeper of Islam, NOT the other way around.

Hey...don't you live in England? You have more of a mess then we do!

 

The IRA reckoned that they were good Catholics killing in the name of there people so whats the difference? Oh yep they for the most part are White and not Muslim, and the IRA was rather good at suicide bombings LOL Mmm must reprhase that one getting the timing wrong.